Easy solution. Nobody's going to miss the place.
Posted on 02/22/2011 7:33:13 AM PST by Allthegoodusernamesaregone
WASHINGTON, Feb. 22, 2011 – Somali pirates killed all four Americans they had held hostage aboard a sailing vessel in the Indian Ocean this morning, U.S. Central Command officials announced.
U.S. officials were negotiating with the pirates for the safe return of the captured Americans when the murders took place, officials said.
Centcom officials said that in the midst of negotiations, U.S. forces responded to gunfire aboard the S/V Quest. When the forces reached the boat, officials said, they discovered all four hostages had been shot by their captors. Despite immediate steps to provide life-saving care, all four hostages ultimately died of their wounds.
During the boarding, the Somali pirates fired on the U.S. forces, who killed two pirates and captured 13 others. U.S. forces already had captured two other pirates, and the servicemembers boarding the Quest found the remains of two other pirates.
“In total, it is believed 19 pirates were involved in the hijacking of the S/V Quest,” Centcom officials said.
“We express our deepest condolences for the innocent lives callously lost aboard the Quest,” said Marine Corps Gen. James N. Mattis, Centcom’s commander.
The pirates seized the boat Feb. 18 off the coast of Oman. Somali pirates -– often operating from mother ships far out to sea -- have captured scores of ships and generally have held the ships and crews for ransom. News reports indicate Somali pirates currently hold 29 ships with more than 660 hostages.
Piracy in the region occurred originally off of Somalia’s east coast for several years. In August 2009, the pirates extended their attacks to the Gulf of Aden, between Yemen and Somalia’s north coast. The pirates since have ranged farther out to sea -– up to 600 miles –- and now affect more than a million square miles in the Gulf of Aden, the west Indian Ocean and the Red Sea.
The United States has worked closely with regional and international partners to attack the problem. In this case, American forces closely monitored and tailed the Quest. Four U.S. Navy warships made up a response force dedicated to recovering the S/V Quest: the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise, the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf, the guided-missile destroyers USS Sterett and USS Bulkeley.
You’ll be the FIRST to know if I decide to run, but honestly it sounds like more fun to work for Squantos. :-)
Aw, C’mon Squantos...you’d be a GREAT VP. You could get to take some choice Senators or COngressmen hunting...sorta like Dick Cheney did...
Just THINK about the possibilities! :^)
Would you prefer Analartica or Armpitalaya?
Equally Third Worldish!!!
It’s a sh*tty place, though...not a nice place to visit, and wouldn’t want to live there...
3) Pirates have yet to kill a single hostage, so most nations consider ransoming to be a valid alternative to a potentially lethal fightBut even that that cocksure SOB of an answerer, promethius9594, got his facts wrong and wrong again.
The Somali pirates have killed a number of hostages. They claim they that "die in captivity". The idiot's answer is wrong that no hostage has been killed and wrong to suggest by his friggin DEADLY pacifistic answer that none will be killed. As The Economist reports a week ago, ""Piracy off the coast of Somalia is getting worse. Time to act" :
LAST year, pirates took 1,181 people hostage off the Somali coast. About half were released after the payment of ransoms, a few have died of abuse or neglect and around 760 are currently in captivity. They are usually held prisoner on their own hijacked vessels, some of which are employed as mother-ships from which the pirates stage further raids. So far this year, there have been 35 attacks, seven of them successful. In March, when the monsoon abates and the Arabian Sea grows calmer, the pace of the attacks will quicken.NO ONE KNOWS what the fate of the nearly 800 still in captivity. Every single man, woman and child held hostage is in fear for their life every minute of every day.
I know....accidents happen but I’d rather go on safari per se with UCAVs with hellfires etc per se !
PULL !
This is what decades of liberalism brings you. We can’t even figure out how to take care of 4 Americans at sea held by a bunch of “boyz in the hood”. How pathetic we’ve become. Sorry. I’m just really angry over this travesty.
“...safari per se with UCAVs with hellfires...”
Ahh!! FUN stuff!!!
We could make a Movie about it...
“Hellfires in the Mist: A Love Story.”
CIA for USAs cya...
its got a nice 'campaign' sorta sound dont it ???
'from the halls of montezuma...'...
Putin did...there s a video out of how they killed the pirates that tried to take a Russian ship ..they blew the Pirate ship up with the pirates tied onto it.
She would have bombed their camps long ago. We know exactly where they are. Eyes in the skies.
I have a solution too: Cut off all aid to Somalia. I don’t want one penny of mine going to that crappy country of subhumans.
I remember back in the 80s when Somalia was whining about its famine and asking for aid from Western Civilization. What struck me about film from the country was all the damn babies. Those animals couldn’t find food to eat, but they could still pump out babies. And those babies have grown into pirates.
Somalians! Ask the people of Lewiston, Maine how they like Somalians. Put the ones we imported on a ship and let the pirates take them back.
Why spend more than the .22 cents per round of the tax payers hard earned money to blow their heads off, is beyond my understanding!
This would be a great time to start balancing the US budget, no more catch and release, instead, kill and dump into the sea. Case closed, justice upheld, and money saved all around!!!!!
I keep waiting for the headline to read,
Boat with 20 dead Somali Pirates found.
America denies involvement.
I agree my fellow American, with one correction:
“America denies involvement.”
America admits involvement and looks forward to the next engagement.
A man after my own heart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nuke em til they glow!!
Bring back the Q-Ships...
My friends, in a different time, with Americans running the government, you’d get your wish...
However...with the feckless POS we have now...
Not so much...
“...’from the halls of montezuma...’...”
OOORah, brother...:^)
I just copied the text and link, I didnt say it was true. Clearly he was wrong on this point.
Keep in mind he was speculating over the ship owners actions. Maybe their #1 goal is getting their boats back with no holes. You take your live at big risk on a ship in that area without a military escort as I put in a couple of comments. Someone questioned if the guns were allowed in the ports.
The way to take care of them is for THEM to take care of THEMSELVES, as Americans have ALWAYS done.
You go to sea, you arm up, regardless of what some idiot politican says, and you riddle the savages as they try t o board.
Or better yet, you engage them from standoff distance.
Dead Pirates, living Americans...
SOunds like a fair trade.
Who made the decision to “follow” the boat? This set the stage for failure. They should have dropped a team in near by and take a shot. This is just crazy FAIL that must have come from the top.
They are holding 31 ships.
I’m amazed this is allowed to keep happening. The world could put an end to this if it wanted.
Agreed. Weak decoys with massive armed power is the way to draw out an enemy. Our government has lost the common sense necessary to defend America. The first order of defense 101 are the borders, yet ever since Reagan our borders have been left open so that business gets cheap labor. I blame it on years of stupidity where our stooge leaders are worked for lobbyists for other countries and multi national corporations, rather than unabashedly for the USA. When leaders of America have conflicts of interest it never bodes well for the USA.
I agree. I support ending all foreign aid. We're broke. As I recollect Rick Santorum was a huge promoter of these refugees too and I emailed my opposition at the time. But Santorum was much more a corporatist than a conservative.
All these successful dudes who think they are successful only because of their own ability, versus their employees and their country need to try out ability alone in Somalia. It is a country without any regulations or laws. Let them try living on their wits alone.
Piracy is an internationally recognized crime against humanity. It means every country on earth has jurisdiction, and can use deadly force in response.
Why we aren’t turning the mother ships into reefs is an open question.
I have watched all of the LameStreamMedia nightly newscasts and it appears they have their talking points all in order. The Americans were in waters “ known to be dangerous”, and they were hijacked “just off the coast of Somalia”. So, I guess it’s all their fault and we can continue to just ignore that whole pirate thing!
Not one single mention of asking the White House or the State Department for a comment about the fact that four AMERICAN CITIZENS were murdered and a US warship was attacked by an RPG!
They’re just going to paint this as an isolated incident, not worthy of bothering Obama about (he’s busy co-ordinating the Wisconsin protests, don’t cha know?!) And the pirates will be brought to the US, given tax-payer funded defense attorneys and the full rights and protections of the American justice system!
When will enough be enough?!
All these comments are missing a few points:
!) What has Obama said so far about these events instead of his comments on Libya nad the loss of Muslim life there?
2) The US Navy is no longer a military unit. It has become: a policeman, an ambassador of good will, a joke if you view their latest advertisements. The new mission of the US Navy is to have good relationships around the world, not showing the flag and not protecting the interests of citizens as well as stopping harm to America in general. They have been put on a course of negotiation rather than protection.
3) With all our might as well as “spy” satellites, why can we not find where these pirates are coming from and at the same time trace which boats are on the water and intercept them with all means necessary or is the technology we think we have just a sham? Why should we even ask questions in this part of the world.If we can’t find and defend our own people, then we should put the Navy back into port and save the fuel!
4) Why are our 5th and 6th Fleets just sitting on the sidelines with the flaming of the Middle East going on now? Both seas are empty of an American fighting surface force and why? Who is there to protect our interests, oil, etc from these Islamists? More to follow but it will rest on deaf ears.
Obama is Chicken shit to Kill his brothers, most of those people overpopulate our prisons.Kill the pirates at sea.It will reduce our budget, instead of increasing it. You kill at sea and you die at sea.
You are absolutely right.
May I add it is also sad indictement of our total lack of real leadership, something we do not have any of in the critical in the areas needed for the survival of our country.
No trustworthy leaders in the White House, Congress, Judicial,the corporate world,the financial world [wall street]media,military [because their civil leaders in the government].
Excepting the troops, all the others are corrupt bought and paid for, grabbing all the dollars they can beg, steal,borrow,scare,dupe out of the, dumbed down government educated American people, for themselves and their rich elite sponsors and owners.
They are trying to get all they can before the bubble bursts and people realize that we have been under God's judgment for quite a number of years and that we are not going broke but already are.
I kinda like your solution. A bit flash and noisy, but, hey, it's not like we didn't warn anybody by refusing to fight two wars over this crap.
My own preference:
That, or a raid by Big Ugly Fat Feller all the way from CONUS, just to demonstrate the capability for those not paying attention lately. What's the Somali word for "arclight"?
Shades of the old days, when stuff like this usually caused a Royal Navy cruiser division to show up and administer rough justice from about 10,000 yards out, followed by landings and general hangings.
http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2011/s11020147.htm
Tuesday, February 22, 2011
“Somali Pirates Shoot Retired Couple Sailing the World Delivering Bibles.”
By Michael Ireland
Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service
SOMALIA
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http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2011/februaryweb-only/somalipirates.html
“Somali Pirates Kill Bible Distributors
Scott Adam, a graduate of Fuller Seminary, was killed with three others after they were taken hostage.”
by Sarah Pulliam Bailey | posted 2/22/2011 11:39AM
SNIPPET: “The pirates in northern Somalia are not hard-line Islamists and a yacht carrying Bibles is not likely to be a problem, the AP reports.”
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http://www.longwarjournal.org/threat-matrix/archives/2011/02/somali_pirates_kill_four_us_ci.php
“Somali pirates kill 4 US citizens”
By BILL ROGGIO
February 22, 2011 10:38 PM
SNIPPET: “Earlier today, Somali pirates murdered four US citizens who were being held hostage as negotiations for their release were underway. Vice Admiral Mark Fox, the commander of Central Command’s naval forces, briefed the media on what is currently known about the murders.
The Somali pirates executed the four US civilians after opening fire on a nearby US warship with a rocket-propelled grenade. The naval task force then dispatched special operations teams using small boats (the special operators were without a doubt SEALs). Once aboard, the special operations forces discovered that the four Americans had been shot dead; they also found two dead pirates. Two other pirates were killed as the team cleared the yacht; one of the pirates was killed in a close-quarters knife fight. Thirteen pirates on the yacht surrendered as the special operations team boarded the yacht. Two other pirates, who were aboard a US warship to negotiate the Americans’ release, are also in custody.”
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http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=62885
“Somali Pirates Kill 4 Americans on Hijacked Ship”
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 22, 2011 –
SNIPPET: “Somali pirates killed all four Americans they had held hostage aboard a sailing vessel in the Indian Ocean this morning, U.S. Central Command officials announced.
U.S. officials were negotiating with the pirates for the safe return of the captured Americans when the murders took place, officials said.
Centcom officials said that in the midst of negotiations, U.S. forces responded to gunfire aboard the S/V Quest. When the forces reached the boat, officials said, they discovered all four hostages had been shot by their captors.
Despite immediate steps to provide life-saving care, all four hostages ultimately died of their wounds.”
SNIPPET: “The pirates seized the boat Feb. 18 off the coast of Oman. Somali pirates -– often operating from mother ships far out to sea — have captured scores of ships and generally have held the ships and crews for ransom. News reports indicate Somali pirates currently hold 29 ships with more than 660 hostages.”
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http://www.centcom.mil/press-releases/u-s-forces-respond-to-gunfire-aboard-the-s-v-quest
“U.S. forces respond to gunfire aboard the S/V Quest”
CENTCOM Public Affairs
TAMPA, Fla. (Feb. 22, 2011) —
SNIPPET: “US Forces have been closely monitoring the S/V Quest for approximately 3 days, once it became known to be pirated. Four U.S. Navy warships comprised the response force dedicated to recovering the S/V Quest: the aircraft carrier USS Enterprise (CVN 65), the guided-missile cruiser USS Leyte Gulf (CG 55), the guided-missile destroyers USS Sterett (DDG 104) and USS Bulkeley (DDG 84). The ships are deployed to the region to conduct maritime security operations and to provide support to operations Enduring Freedom and New Dawn.”
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http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2011/s11020130.htm
Saturday, February 19, 2011
“U.S. considers military action after pirates ‘seize’ a yacht belonging to a Southern California Christian couple
They were on a worldwide voyage distributing Bibles”
By Dan Wooding
Founder of ASSIST Ministries
SOMALIA
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stepping back in time to a separate incident:
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=31458
“The Somali Pirates Are Jihadists”
by Robert Spencer
04/15/2009
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Keywords of Interest:
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/christianpersecution/index?tab=articles
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/killingchristians/index?tab=articles
I apologize to you, sickoflibs, for perhaps coming off to harsh to you. I did not mean that, and I was very upset with how things worked out for our fellow four Americans abroad. The damnably pat attitude of that answerer on Y!A is a major part of the reason.
In the US of the last thirty years there’s a million reasonable excuses for NOT doing what has to be done with such pirates. For not doing what is the MORAL and GOOD thing to do.
Kidnap for ransom is a crime against humanity, one that is not less a crime than serial murder. When it becomes a cultural or regional practice it is of far greater consequence than serial murder to a society.
In the Muslim-Arabic cultures it is a permitted practice. It has to stop, even if that means wiping out those cultures. That is what is moral. Toleration of such activity is immoral.
It seems like a modern Muslim Deadwood type situation where the outlaws run free causing havoc and the law biding cant compete with weapons because of the different town laws (countries) and rules, plus the outlaws are well armed and ready to die, and where only the Calvary (military forces) are ready to handle them, but they cant be there all the time.
I didnt see a practical fool-proof solution on this thread. There was an interesting exchange of ideas which I was looking for, but pitfalls kept coming up too. If the ship owners dont want their crews to have guns, what to do?
Has this become worse under Obama? Are their more problems?
That’s exactly right. I have wondered ever since these started years ago why the ships weren’t armed. You can rest assured that if I were on one of those ships it wouldn’t be a pleasant experience for the scum pirates.
IS ANYONE OUTRAGED THAT WE HAVE YET TO RETALIATE FOR THE MURDERS OF 4 AMERICANS!
Outraged? Yes. Surprised? No. We have become a paper tiger. We aren’t feared or respected anymore by anyone including what allies we might still have.
“...it wouldn’t be a pleasant experience for the scum pirates...”
Roger that, brother.
They’re bold because basically they’re cowards - they KNOW that these ships’ crews aren’t going to hose their asses off the face of the Earth, so they hit them at will. I doubt they’d be so inclined if they knew that they’d have their skinny asses blown out of the water if they even dared to approach a ship.
Personally - and I don’t know if there’s any legal way to do this - but if ship owners won’t arm their crews, they should be held legally and financially responsible for the welfare and safety of the crewmembers, and directly prosecutable by families should harm come to their loved ones as a result of negligence/failure to provide adequatae security in the face of KNOWN dangers.
One could, I suppose, say that the crew aren’t forced to take the job in the first place though...but if people are forcibly disarmed by the company, doesn’t the onus to protect said crew fall on the company???
Any lawyers out here that could answer that???
Just to be the fly in the ointment again, because I was thinking the same thing myself: I bet they sign waivers to work, or work for foreign companies. Just speculating. I was also guessing the ship owners care about getting the ship and cargo back first, and the crew last(unemployment is high) , so that's why they dont allow arms.
Are you proposing new work regulations?? Maybe a union?? :) Just teasing.
“...Are you proposing new work regulations?? Maybe a union??...”
What da hell do you think I am, a low-life “community organizer” or sumpin’??? Hahah!
Because people respect his AU-THOR-IT-AH!
Actually hadn't thought of that, but sounds like a plan. Could we enlist the Wisconsin teachers and their Commurat Senators?
I was thinking that there were just a few White-Black/conservative-liberal/good-evil battles since Obama that really rang my bell:
The Stimulus
Obama-care
Arizona Illegal immigration
This WI public union sickout battle
ADDING to post no. 187:
http://www.defense.gov/transcripts/transcript.aspx?transcriptid=4774
“Presenter: Vice Adm. Mark Fox, Commander, U.S. Naval Forces Central Command, U.S. Navy 5th Fleet, and Combined Maritime Forces February 22, 2011
DOD News Briefing with Vice Adm. Fox via Telephone from Bahrain on Somali Piracy Aboard the S/V Quest”
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