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Toyota Recalls 2.17 Million Vehicles in the U.S.
WSJ ^ | FEBRUARY 24, 2011, 10:14 A.M. ET. | MIKE RAMSEY

Posted on 02/24/2011 7:32:04 AM PST by Perdogg

Responding to a request from regulators, Toyota Motor Corp. said it would recall a total of 2.17 million U.S. vehicles dating back to the 2003 model year to address various flaws that could lead to a floor mat interfering with the accelerator pedal.

Thursday's recall expands on already-known floor mat issues by adding new models and new causes to pedal interference.

A California state trooper and three of his passengers were killed in August 2009 in an accident in which a slipping floormat is believed to have entrapped the accelerator pedal and sent Lexus speeding out of control.

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1 posted on 02/24/2011 7:32:08 AM PST by Perdogg
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To: Perdogg

What kind of person drives a car, and is unaware that a floor mat is hitting his accelerator pedal? Shouldn’t this person be removed from the road, for his own safety, as well as the safety of other people on the road?

What this lawsuit is going to do, is result in Toyota being forced to move the pedal higher off the floor of the car - to protect itself from idiots.

How will that impact us? Ever drive 500 miles, using your big toe to touch the gas pedal? I’m sure it’s not going to be much fun.


2 posted on 02/24/2011 7:35:53 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Perdogg

We have that floor mat in our Tacoma..never had an issue with it. Just have to make sure it’s hooked back in correctly if taken out to be cleaned.


3 posted on 02/24/2011 7:37:30 AM PST by AirForceMom (Molon Labe)
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To: Hodar

What didnt make sense is that patrolman not switching his car into low gear or neutral, applying the brake or emergency brake.


4 posted on 02/24/2011 7:39:37 AM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Perdogg
I wrote Toyota about ten years ago concerning a similar problem with the Corolla.
They evidently blew it off though as I never got any response.
5 posted on 02/24/2011 7:46:18 AM PST by onedoug (If)
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To: Perdogg

This recall is odd. I think it’s possible something else is going on here, other than a rug/pedal issue.


6 posted on 02/24/2011 7:46:22 AM PST by July4 (Remember the price paid for your freedom.)
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To: Perdogg
That's it!

Make floor mats "option only" where the buyer signs a 'idiocracy' insurance waiver before purchase

Oh, I got it, charge more insurance for cars with floor mats/huge sarc

7 posted on 02/24/2011 7:50:07 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Hodar

If I’m on a 500 mile trip, the cruise control is on 490 of it.

Allows me to steer with my leg while I eat, drink, hold the dog or shave.


8 posted on 02/24/2011 7:50:29 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Perdogg
A California state trooper and three of his passengers were killed in August 2009 in an accident in which a slipping floormat is believed to have entrapped the accelerator pedal and sent Lexus speeding out of control.

Apparently the state trooper was unaware of how the shifting mechanism and ignition system work in a vehicle.

I'm unaware of a vehicle that won't slow down when it is placed into neutral and/or the ignition key is turned back to the first detent (where the spark is killed, but the wheel is not locked).

Interestingly, I never heard a single report in the media about the very basic methods for dealing with a stuck accelerator.

9 posted on 02/24/2011 7:52:12 AM PST by SampleMan (If all of the people currently oppressed shared a common geography, bullets would already be flying.)
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To: hattend
Allows me to steer with my leg while I eat, drink, hold the dog or shave.

If you're going to shave your dog, I don't think holding is an "or" proposition... :0)

10 posted on 02/24/2011 7:54:23 AM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: hattend
Allows me to steer with my leg while I eat, drink, hold the dog or shave.

That is so unsafe!

You should be using BOTH legs...held firmly in place at the 8 o'clock/4 o'clock positions! :)

11 posted on 02/24/2011 7:55:22 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: COBOL2Java

I’m not eating or drinking the dog, either.


12 posted on 02/24/2011 7:55:43 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: July4
This recall is odd. I think it’s possible something else is going on here, other than a rug/pedal issue.

It's odd because Toyota recalled millions of cars for assumed issues with the pedals last year - it ended up to be no issue - it's most likely a save-face recall forced by the government.

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/09/business/la-fi-toyota-nasa-20110209

Sudden acceleration in Toyota vehicles not an electronic issue, U.S. study finds

The study concluded the only defects that could cause sudden acceleration involved floor mats that could jam the gas pedal and accelerator pedals that could become stuck. Toyota has already recalled 8 million vehicles in the U.S. to fix those problems.

13 posted on 02/24/2011 7:56:52 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: moovova

I once tried to steer with my feet but accidently knocked the shift lever to park.

Believe it or not...true story. I was a stupid teenage driver with parents’ car.


14 posted on 02/24/2011 7:57:53 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Perdogg
A California state trooper and three of his passengers were killed in August 2009 in an accident in which a slipping floormat is believed to have entrapped the accelerator pedal and sent Lexus speeding out of control.

California gives state troopers a Lexus to drive? No wonder California is broke...

15 posted on 02/24/2011 7:58:16 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: hattend
...accidently knocked the shift lever to park.

Ouch!

16 posted on 02/24/2011 8:00:07 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: libertarian27
It's odd because Toyota recalled millions of cars for assumed issues with the pedals last year - it ended up to be no issue - it's most likely a save-face recall forced by the government.

Not quite.. I don't think saving face is much of the issue here.. But the government forcing them to do it is. If you'll recall, GM and a few other Toyota competitors have their success desired by the government.

As for 'uncontrollable' acceleration, there are several ways to get around that. In a manual, push in the clutch pedal. Although if all of the issue cars were automatics, then you can either turn the car off, shift into neutral, and just about every car (if not all of em) have more powerful brakes than the engine, especially if you include the e-brake. This whole issue is the stuff that comes out of the back end of a cow.
17 posted on 02/24/2011 8:11:34 AM PST by Svartalfiar
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To: hattend

THIS is why I love Free Republic. I have learned so much about the real life experiences of my fellow Americans here. I’ll now be prepared when my son is old enough to try that stunt.


18 posted on 02/24/2011 8:18:14 AM PST by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: Perdogg
Last fall I had our 2005 Sienna in for some work, and the dealer informed me that there was a recall notice for the rear hatch struts(which we never had problems with) and they would have to replace them. Now whenever we open the rear hatch manually with the handle, we have to make sure to stand clear or get hammered by the hatch swinging up. Last week I finally brought it back in and complained about it. After their shop manager took a look at it, I was told it was operating within specifications and that they couldn't do anything to it. However, they did tell me that if I do need to open the rear hatch to use the automatic button in the driving compartment or on the key-fob. Thanks Toyota! Oh, What a Feeling!
19 posted on 02/24/2011 8:21:01 AM PST by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: July4
I think it’s possible something else is going on here, other than a rug/pedal issue.

Yes, you're right. Don't forget that the Gov't is now a COMPETITOR with Toyota.

The Gov't will do what it can to see that private car companies will suffer so that their baby, GM, can gain market share.

20 posted on 02/24/2011 8:21:07 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Svartalfiar

Everyone is missing the simplest fix......

PUT THE BLOODY CAR MAT IN THE TRUNK!!!!!


21 posted on 02/24/2011 8:25:00 AM PST by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: married21; hattend; tubebender

My son shifted and automatic from drive to reverse while we were going 40 mph, he was about two. It not only killed the engine, it almost stopped us. This was in the days before seat belts and child restraints. He was standing beside me on the front seat.

Still don’t know why it didn’t drop the transmission all of the road.


22 posted on 02/24/2011 8:25:56 AM PST by SouthTexas (Is it time for tea yet?)
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To: hattend
Allows me to steer with my leg while I eat, drink, hold the dog or shave.

Heck, just let the dog steer and you can do all that and take a nap to boot:)

23 posted on 02/24/2011 8:26:58 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Hodar

I had a floor mat curl up on me. I knew it was curling, I didn’t know it was messing with the gas pedal until it actually grabbed it and wouldn’t let it up. Luckily it happened as I was pulling into home and had already dropped into neutral, it was a big WTF as the engine was running higher than it should when my foot is on the brake. Figured out what it was and threw out the floor mat.

Some of the newer vehicles I’ve seen have these stud kind of things that go through grommets and hold the floor mat in place, can’t curl then. Probably an invention somebody should have come up with for the 1st or 2nd generation of floor mats.


24 posted on 02/24/2011 8:27:50 AM PST by discostu (this is definitely not my confused face)
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To: Perdogg

Responding to a request from regulators, Toyota Motor Corp. said it would recall a total of 2.17 million U.S. vehicles dating back to the 2003 model year to address various flaws that could lead to a floor mat interfering with the accelerator pedal.

Wouldn’t it be faster and cheaper to just send every Toyota owner a roll of double-sided tape?


25 posted on 02/24/2011 8:29:19 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Siena Dreaming
just bought a new Toyota Trunda...hate the gas milage but when you live in the country and have Winter's such as we have had..it is a must...

Next they will go after Ford... will never buy General Motors again...and will vote to remove BHussein O. in 2012

26 posted on 02/24/2011 8:30:32 AM PST by haircutter
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To: Perdogg

So what is toyota going to do about those out of control vehicles that didn’t have mats?


27 posted on 02/24/2011 8:31:03 AM PST by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Hodar

What kind of person drives a car, and is unaware that a floor mat is hitting his accelerator pedal?

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I borrowed a friend’s car once. The front end was so badly misaligned, it took a large effort to drive in a straight line. She insisted that everything was fine, couldn’t imagine that she ought to take it in for an alignment. So, that kind of person.

And, one more.. There’s a video somewhere of a bunch of cops busting a drunk driver at a road block. He was driving a standard, and none of the cops there knew how to drive a manual transmission. Pitiful.

I think that most of us take things like driving to be a natural part of life. For others, I suspect, it’s like walking a tightrope across the Grand Canyon.


28 posted on 02/24/2011 8:34:39 AM PST by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: married21

He’s a smart kid. He’ll figure out something that you never expected, and then do that. Trust me.


29 posted on 02/24/2011 8:34:58 AM PST by Hardastarboard (Bringing children to America without immigration documents is child abuse. Let's end it.)
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To: Dixie Yooper

Could be worse. You could have the struts providing no support and when you have the hatch open it could come crashing down on your head while unloading/loading.

Had that happen many times when I loaded cars at a local hardware store. It got old quick.


30 posted on 02/24/2011 8:35:51 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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To: Hodar

What kind of person drives a car, and is unaware that a floor mat is hitting his accelerator pedal?

A retard


31 posted on 02/24/2011 8:38:49 AM PST by angcat (DEAR GOD PLEASE SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: moovova
California gives state troopers a Lexus to drive?

No, the Lexus was a loaner from a Toyauto dealer.

32 posted on 02/24/2011 8:43:44 AM PST by Fresh Wind (TOTUS knows how to give a speech. Obama knows how to read.)
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To: libertarian27

“it’s most likely a save-face recall forced by the government.”

I am absolutely convinced this is a Gov’t driven scheme to hurt the reputation of Toyota in the wake of them most recently “Nationalizing” Gov’t Motors.
They want to sell more GM cars and take Toyota’s share away. It’s as simple as that.


33 posted on 02/24/2011 8:52:22 AM PST by oust the louse (Mr. Obama is a left-wing ideologue who believes in the greatness of Fedzilla.)
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To: Fresh Wind
No, the Lexus was a loaner from a Toyauto dealer.

Loaner? Probably to replace the Prius the Trooper usually drove in his pursuit of highway scofflaws. ;)

(Toyauto...I like it!)

34 posted on 02/24/2011 9:07:35 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: Perdogg

A California state trooper and three of his passengers were killed in August 2009 in an accident in which a slipping floormat is believed to have entrapped the accelerator pedal and sent Lexus speeding out of control.


And the mat kept the brakes from working, too?


35 posted on 02/24/2011 9:11:58 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Beelzebubba
And the mat kept the brakes from working, too?

You might want to watch this video to understand why there might have been a brake problem too.

36 posted on 02/24/2011 9:24:57 AM PST by Fresh Wind (TOTUS knows how to give a speech. Obama knows how to read.)
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To: Perdogg

I used to have problems with beer cans lodging under the brake or clutch pedal in my Toyota truck.


37 posted on 02/24/2011 9:30:44 AM PST by USMCPOP (Father of LCpl. Karl Linn, KIA 1/26/2005 Al Haqlaniyah, Iraq)
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To: July4

Yep the drive by wire problem won’t be answered they even had NASA look into it and they had found no problem.
Remember when Audi had the same problem and no answer was found.
The say if we can’t reproduce the problem it doesn’t exist.
Want to buy a bridge.


38 posted on 02/24/2011 9:35:05 AM PST by Vaduz
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To: Svartalfiar

As for ‘uncontrollable’ acceleration, there are several ways to get around that. In a manual, push in the clutch pedal. Although if all of the issue cars were automatics, then you can either turn the car off, shift into neutral, and just about every car (if not all of em) have more powerful brakes than the engine, especially if you include the e-brake. This whole issue is the stuff that comes out of the back end of a cow.

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Brakes will stop a car from highway speeds even with a stuck accelerator, in almost all cases. HOWEVER, that assumes that the driver just brings the car to a rapid stop. If driver tries to maintain speed against the engine, the brakes will overheat and become useless in a very short time. Also, it’s hard to predict what a person will do in a panic situation.


39 posted on 02/24/2011 9:51:15 AM PST by loungitude ( The truth hurts.)
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To: Walkingfeather

“What didnt make sense is that patrolman not switching his car into low gear or neutral, applying the brake or emergency brake.”

But someone in the car had the presense of mind to call 911 to describe what was occurring??????!!!!!

That never passed the smell test, in my opinion.

EODGUY


40 posted on 02/24/2011 9:58:05 AM PST by EODGUY (Hold on to your copies of the Consititution of the United States. It is going to be re-written.)
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To: Hodar
"What kind of person drives a car, and is unaware that a floor mat is hitting his accelerator pedal"

I call BS. Any driver would notice this. Toyota is just making an easy to fix recall. The real problem is something else. My guess is gas being fed during braking.

41 posted on 02/24/2011 9:59:30 AM PST by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory")
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To: Perdogg

do all new floor mats come with an 800 # for a trial lawyer?


42 posted on 02/24/2011 10:03:56 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: discostu

I have a Toyota Matrix (Corolla wagon, basically) and the floor mat on the driver side keeps inching forward until I can’t depress the clutch without nearly standing on it. This is most noticeable when trying to start it, because the clutch has to be mashed to the floor when doing that.

My solution - periodically pull the floor mat back. Duh.. LOL.

I think its actually the “dead pedal” causing the problem - when the mat gets too far forward it makes a sort of “hammock” under the clutch that catches the pedal. I should just get out the exacto knife and slice the mat next to the dead pedal so it can lie completely flat.

I’ve never had a problem with the mat interfering with either of the other pedals, just the clutch.

LQ


43 posted on 02/24/2011 10:09:54 AM PST by LizardQueen (The world is not out to get you, except in the sense that the world is out to get everyone.)
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To: Perdogg

Oh boy what if this had been an American car company 90% of fellow Freepers would be howling “union thugs” etc etc damning the American company. Take your Honda’s and Toyotas and stick them you know where.


44 posted on 02/24/2011 10:12:23 AM PST by Moleman
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To: USMCPOP
I used to have problems with beer cans lodging under the brake or clutch pedal in my Toyota truck.

That's why the auto makers started putting cup holders in vehicles, heck in some cars you can secure a 6 pack individually - all nice and cozy and no harm to the brake pedal :>)

45 posted on 02/24/2011 10:19:49 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: fredhead

The real problem is that Toyota foolishly has their accelerator and brake pedal in the same zip code.


46 posted on 02/24/2011 10:48:15 AM PST by smaug6 (We can't afford to be innocent!! Stand up and face the enemy.)
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To: libertarian27
Make floor mats "option only" where the buyer signs a 'idiocracy' insurance waiver before purchase

Matter of fact, floor mats are optional, even on a $33K Sienna XLE minivan and, they come with a consumer warning card attached.

47 posted on 02/24/2011 10:53:26 AM PST by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Perdogg

I remember when I bought my VW GTi in 1987, and floor mats were extra...guess the car company’s may start making them optional again and you would have to sign a waiver that you will use them at your own risk.


48 posted on 02/24/2011 11:11:52 AM PST by ropin71 (God Bless our Troops!)
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To: newgeezer
Matter of fact, floor mats are optional, even on a $33K Sienna XLE minivan and, they come with a consumer warning card attached.

No way, really? That's funny.

They probably should have some sort of legal waiver you sign when you buy the mats *snicker*

Hey, what about aftermarket mats - do we get to sue them or the car manufacturer?:>)

49 posted on 02/24/2011 11:13:32 AM PST by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: LizardQueen

If you have toyota mats there is a hole in the mat with a grommet and also the floor. There should be a hook that you insert in the floor and through the mat. If not, see your dealer. All Toyotas come with this feature. I wonder when the rest of the car companies are gonna get sued? Toyota mats are no different than any other mats. Other than they all have the hook.


50 posted on 02/24/2011 11:20:24 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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