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Research needed-Soetoro Birth Announcement
vanity-research | February 27, 2011 | Chatter4

Posted on 02/27/2011 7:57:21 AM PST by chatter4

Just a wild thought, but, do we have any Freepers in Hawaii or Washington, DC area, that could check the Hawaiian newspapers, to see if there was a birth announcement for Maya Soetoro? She is the maternal half-sister of Barack Obama. She was born August 15, 1970 in Jakarta, Indonesia. Although I have never see an image of the document, it has been claimed that she too has a Hawaiian COLB. I understand that the newspaper announcements are certainly not proof of a Hawaiian birth or of Obama's eligiblity for office, however, if it could be shown that Maya's birth was also announced in the Hawaiian papers, that would certainly turn a few heads, seeing how the newspapers claim they get their information from the Hawaii Health Department.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; corruption; fraud; naturalborncitizen; obama; teaparty
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1 posted on 02/27/2011 7:57:26 AM PST by chatter4
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To: chatter4

google it, I think they already found it — I recall reading it was in the paper the same as Barry’s and she has a birth certificate that matches Barry’s too.


2 posted on 02/27/2011 8:02:54 AM PST by dila813
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To: chatter4

That’s a good thought. Hmmm. It would shut up Bill O’Reilly and some others...


3 posted on 02/27/2011 8:06:29 AM PST by Aria ( "If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: chatter4

Is this your request over on this site?

http://www.daily-news-trends.com/news-2/research-needed-soetoro-birth-announcement/


4 posted on 02/27/2011 8:11:15 AM PST by deport
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To: deport

“Is this your request over on this site?

http://www.daily-news-trends.com/news-2/research-needed-soetoro-birth-announcement/";

No, I guess another Freeper reposted it.


5 posted on 02/27/2011 8:19:40 AM PST by chatter4
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To: Aria

“That’s a good thought. Hmmm. It would shut up Bill O’Reilly and some others...”

Nothing will shut up O’Reilly.


6 posted on 02/27/2011 8:27:28 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dila813

“google it, I think they already found it — I recall reading it was in the paper the same as Barry’s and she has a birth certificate that matches Barry’s too.”

No, I believe that a person using the name “Tech Dude” made claims on the AtlasShruggs blog, back in 2008, that Obama’s COLB was created using Maya’s COLB. He never offered any proof of this and then disappeared into the woodwork. The story has reappeared serveral times, never with any proof offered.


7 posted on 02/27/2011 8:29:38 AM PST by chatter4
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To: chatter4

I didn’t say they were the physically the same nor a forgery or what ever the heck you thought you were reading.

I mean, they look the same, same form of birth certificate, birth announcement, etc.. the formats all match

All the other stuff is just speculation. We know she was born overseas for a fact, she admits it and it is well documented.


8 posted on 02/27/2011 8:33:33 AM PST by dila813
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To: Aria

“That’s a good thought. Hmmm. It would shut up Bill O’Reilly and some others...”

Exactly....


9 posted on 02/27/2011 8:35:14 AM PST by chatter4
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To: chatter4

...and it’s very possible that it was at the time of her birth that the birth certificate now in the hands of Barak Obama was produced, and the original birth certificate with Obama as the last name was sealed — just as in the case of adoptive parents.

I think Obama has a certificate that has Soetoro as the last name, the same name he used to get into Occidental and Columbia as a “foreign student” for monetsry scholarship purposes back then.

That being the case (same as Pres. Gerald Ford who was born with a different name until adopted), Obama WON’T BE ABLE TO EXPLAIN why he didn’t fess up in 2007-2008.


10 posted on 02/27/2011 8:38:30 AM PST by detch
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To: dila813

“I didn’t say they were the physically the same nor a forgery or what ever the heck you thought you were reading.

I mean, they look the same, same form of birth certificate, birth announcement, etc.. the formats all match

All the other stuff is just speculation. We know she was born overseas for a fact, she admits it and it is well documented.”


No, you said,
“google it, I think they already found it — I recall reading it was in the paper the same as Barry’s and she has a birth certificate that matches Barry’s too.”

Well you are wrong, no one has ever published Maya’s COLB or her birth announcement, yet you now claim “I mean, they look the same, same form of birth certificate, birth announcement, etc.. the formats all match”

How can you make such a statement without a shred of evidence to back up your statement. If it has never been published, how could you possibly know what it looked like?


11 posted on 02/27/2011 8:47:33 AM PST by chatter4
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To: chatter4

Heard a great one the other day:

‘There’s no evidence that O’Bama wasn’t born a US citizen.’


12 posted on 02/27/2011 8:58:04 AM PST by sasquatch
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To: chatter4

“google it, I think they already found it”

Someone has a problem with the English language on this board, and it isn’t me.


13 posted on 02/27/2011 9:04:42 AM PST by dila813
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To: chatter4; butterdezillion

If I recall correctly, Butterdezillion or someone she worked on this with requested any records from the HDOH for Maya Soetero among others. While they got some vital statistics records for 0bama himself, the response for Maya was that no records existed.

This was a theory of the discredited Techdude, and there has never been any proof such a certificate existed for Maya.


14 posted on 02/27/2011 9:16:33 AM PST by sometime lurker
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To: chatter4
I've wondered about this too. Some big universities also have these microfilms. If you're at one and they have FReepMail me for another suggestion.

ML/NJ

15 posted on 02/27/2011 9:23:35 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: sasquatch

“There’s no evidence that O’Bama wasn’t born a US citizen.’

Now that is funny and a clever spin. You got to hand 0bamites credit for spinning

I wish some media person would finally point out the issue of natural born versus being a US citizen

I wish the same media person would point out that the qualification of “natural born” is ONLY reserved for POTUSA in constitution . not for Congress.

there is only one scenario where 0dumbo could be natural born and that is if his biological father was an American citizen.

I think the OP is right to wonder if maya also had birth announcement in the HI papers.I am guessing 0dumbo’s minions have already scrubbed that though


16 posted on 02/27/2011 9:24:49 AM PST by RWGinger
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To: chatter4

No need to go that route. Butterdezillion has plenty of proof that the birth announcements in the papers for Obama were tampered with. The microfilms of these newspapers — the individual pages the two papers’ announcements were in — are different from two different library sources.

So they are suspicious themselves. I wish I had the links for you but butterdezillion has them and they are thorough.


17 posted on 02/27/2011 9:28:16 AM PST by Yaelle
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To: dila813

““google it, I think they already found it”

Someone has a problem with the English language on this board, and it isn’t me.”

“Google it”. That seems to be the catch all phrase for those that have no idea what the’re talking about.

Well, then YOU google it and you will find that you though wrong-”they” never found it. Again, if “they” didn’t find it, and You certainly didn’t find it-how could you possibly know what it looked like?


18 posted on 02/27/2011 9:28:24 AM PST by chatter4
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To: Aria
and some others...

including Sara Palin.

19 posted on 02/27/2011 9:30:36 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Nothing will shut up the O’Reilly haters.

fixed.

20 posted on 02/27/2011 9:31:57 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: Yaelle

“No need to go that route. Butterdezillion has plenty of proof that the birth announcements in the papers for Obama were tampered with.”

Yes, I have read those articles-some of that evidence is quite good. What is really needed is an original print copy, but, such a find is unlikely. I was just hoping that if there was any truth at all that Hawaii issued COLB for Maya, there would be birth announcements too. It would certainly help reach those that have such a poor understanding of the Obama eligiblity issue. Thanks for your input.


21 posted on 02/27/2011 9:46:12 AM PST by chatter4
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To: chatter4

One thing that I find puzzling and troubling is why are there announcements in 2 papers? Also why has the birth announcements been at the forefront of the so-called proof accepted by most “journalists”? To me rather than accept the absurd false premise that it is ludicrous to think that these were planted to allow Obama to be president, a more logical reason is that it is an attempt to get the benefits of American citizenship. (They weren’t thinking about presidency - that is the red herring that the press falsely clings to)

I have given this issue some thought and I have a suggestion for some Freeper in Hawaii that might want to spend a few hours in the library and take a little research and get hard facts surrounding the birth announcements for Obama. Maybe there is something right under our noses that can easily be obtained from the newspaper archives. Here is my idea for research.

1. Search the Hawaii newspaper archives and get the birth notices for a week before and a week after Obama’s notice.

2. Count how many birth notices in each newspaper and count how many appear in both. Create a scorecard tallying the totals by day and in total. Is there anything strange about announcements in 2 papers?

3. Look at the wording - are there any other identical to Obama’s (except of course names and other specifics). Is there a pattern to Obama vs. other announcements that appear in both newspapers. Perhaps some characteristics such as they appear to be foreigners might be a common thread.

4. Search the 2 newspapers (prior to the date of the Obama notice) for any articles surrounding suggestions to make yourself an American citizen. Perhaps someone suggested the idea of the birth announcements and maybe wrote up a sample obituary.

The goals of this is to produce 100% factual document that addresses these birth announcements. I cannot stress it enough that to be effective we cannot deviate from 100% provable facts. The key is to refute a key explanation by facts. If this can be done - we can get this message through FR.

To maximize the impact if something shows up, one other important fact (not speculation) is needed along with this. That is we need to identify exactly where and what circumstances the COLB is not accepted. (This is more effective discussion than getting into differences between a COLB and a long form birth certificate which is tuned out by many people.)

I would be glad to assist in compiling the data if I had copies of the birth announcement pages in the papers.


22 posted on 02/27/2011 10:00:18 AM PST by TakeChargeBob
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To: TakeChargeBob

I would add to that needed research, his sister Maya Soetoro with birth date around August 15, 1970.


23 posted on 02/27/2011 10:24:10 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: TakeChargeBob

Thanks. Most of what you suggest has already been done. Here is a great article about it.
http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2010/05/28/extra-extra-announcing-obamas-birth/


24 posted on 02/27/2011 10:25:44 AM PST by chatter4
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To: SeeSac

And, only time and realty will shut up the current, but likely not future, O’Reilly lovers... expect for you Bill.


25 posted on 02/27/2011 10:25:44 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

The no-spin-zone O’Reilly should have stuck it out with his ballet lessons.


26 posted on 02/27/2011 10:32:50 AM PST by chatter4
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To: FreeAtlanta
I find that most O'Reilly haters really do not even know what is on his shows. The react to web sites that quote him out of context in order to get hits from dudes that are too lazy to think for themselves.

OTOH, there are also the haters that are really just spamming because they think their feeble spams will knock O'Reilly from the #1 spot and bump their 'guy' to #1.

27 posted on 02/27/2011 10:38:21 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

I used to like him, but put two and two together to realize he only cares about Bill, ratings and getting interviews from Obama.

Sadly, I wish I could have back all the lost hours I spent watching him.


28 posted on 02/27/2011 10:41:47 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: SeeSac
btw, I think fox could put just about anyone in his time slot and maintain that #1 rating. My vote is for Megyn Kelly.

Conservative and much better to look at than Bill Obama.

29 posted on 02/27/2011 10:43:53 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Unacceptable:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2649455/posts?page=186


30 posted on 02/27/2011 10:49:53 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: All

Not only are there anomalies with the birth announcements, it has been proven that obama Sr. never lived at that address. I have to wonder how “evidence” that has been proven to be partially fraudulent can be held up as “proof”. I have copies of the Polk Directories from the Honolulu Library, and the old phone books as well (haven’t posted the phone book scans on my blog yet). Obama Sr,’s collage records never listed him at the birth announcement address either.

Here is another anomaly. If there wasn’t something weird attached to every single piece of evidence of obama’s birth records - we wouldn’t be talking about obama’s birth. Some of you may have seen this, most haven’t. It was collected at my request while a researcher was in the Honolulu Dept. of Health in July. We are the only people that have discovered this little curiosity. That’s what can happen when the work is carried out in person.
Anyway, have a look at the scan, it’s a very brief post - I had the same image up in a much longer post that I did months ago.

http://myveryownpointofview.wordpress.com/2011/01/26/duplicitous-duplicate/


31 posted on 02/27/2011 10:53:46 AM PST by Ladysforest
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To: SeeSac

I will give her a second chance. She hasn’t done as much attacking of the Constitutionalists as BOR has.


32 posted on 02/27/2011 10:54:04 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I will give her a second chance.You think she will change her mind?
33 posted on 02/27/2011 10:57:14 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

So far, I don’t see here as a Bill “finger in the wind” O’Reilly type. Plus, she seems more interested in truth, than Bill is.


34 posted on 02/27/2011 10:59:22 AM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: SeeSac

“Nothing will shut up the O’Reilly haters.”

No we just see O’Reilly for who he is. I hope you don’t really think he’s “looking out for the folks”.

I stood in line for 45 minutes to get him to sign his first book “The O’Reilly Factor” and he acted like he could hardly be bothered. Maybe he was tired. Maybe he’s a jerk. You be the judge.

Oh, by the way He would love to exert a little “gun control” over some of those weapons you are so wild for. He’s for gun confiscation in Hurricanes. He thinks its constitutional. How ya like him now? Just lookin out for the folks.


35 posted on 02/27/2011 11:03:45 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
No we just see O’Reilly for who he is. I hope you don’t really think he’s “looking out for the folks”.

If you are searching for a media type that is 'looking out for you', you are in for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNG search.

37 posted on 02/27/2011 12:01:41 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Georgia Girl 2

>Oh, by the way He would love to exert a little “gun control” over some of those weapons you are so wild for.<

Please listen to this. Thank you.

O’Reilly says liberals who support gun control are “today’s totalitarians,” compares to Hitler

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003020053


38 posted on 02/27/2011 12:05:01 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Georgia Girl 2

>Oh, by the way He would love to exert a little “gun control” over some of those weapons you are so wild for.<

Please listen to this. Thank you.

O’Reilly says liberals who support gun control are “today’s totalitarians,” compares to Hitler

http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/201003020053


39 posted on 02/27/2011 12:05:13 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

“If you are searching for a media type that is ‘looking out for you’, you are in for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNG search.”

I’m glad you snapped out of it. Now watch BOR’s 60 minutes interview where he wants to take your gun away during a hurricane when I’m guessing you might just need it most.


40 posted on 02/27/2011 12:26:36 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: sometime lurker

How about getting some DNA from her. That would tell most of the story, Right?


41 posted on 02/27/2011 4:40:58 PM PST by rambo316
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To: rambo316
How about getting some DNA from her. That would tell most of the story, Right?

Her DNA would tell if she was related to 0bama, provided you had some from him as well. It would not tell you anything about where she was born, or what certificates existed proving or disproving that.

42 posted on 02/27/2011 5:07:19 PM PST by sometime lurker
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To: Georgia Girl 2
I’m glad you snapped out of it.

You have a bad habit of assuming that which you have no knowledge of and then attacking others with your wrong assumptions.

43 posted on 02/27/2011 5:17:27 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: SeeSac

“Nothing will shut up the O’Reilly haters.
fixed.”

Remind you of anybody? Thats an attack. Me thinks you have the bad habit. I just like to argue.


44 posted on 02/27/2011 5:53:46 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: chatter4

Thanks for the link.

The problem is that this is too convoluted. We are totally in the weeds if the discussion is that the birth announcement has been tampered with. Also the fact that there is the same announcements only on one day is interesting. Even if it is true there is no way that this gets any traction. Unfortunately, it appears that the birth announcement angle has not yielded anything useful.

I do thank the researchers who have gone to the trouble to look through the archives.


45 posted on 02/27/2011 9:40:40 PM PST by TakeChargeBob
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To: All

“Fight the Smears” is a Paid Political Ad

The ‘Fight the Smears’ web page with the image of a birth document is a political advertisement and conforms with U.S. Code 441.d, Publication and distribution of statements and solicitations. This code section deals with campaign funding, reporting and other parameters but does not require the material to be truthful by the person advertising. Political advertising is legal even if the advertiser does not tell the truth. In Edenfield v. Fane (91-1594), 507 U.S. 761 (1993), the Supreme Court said this in regard to the First Amendment right to freedom of speech and advertising;

“But the general rule is that the speaker and the audience, not the government, assess the value of the information presented.”

The campaign threw up an eye-catching wizardry of a political advertisement displaying graphics for visual impression, displaying statements of impression such as ‘native born’ and the candidate’s status as a ‘citizen by the 14th Amendment’ and solicitations of impressions to ‘donate now’ and tell others, all for the truth about the candidate.

The state of Hawaii has not ever stated that the online image was issued by them as the ‘issuing authority’ of a genuine “identification document”. The political ad by the campaign did not provide any further information verifying that the image came from the Hawaii Department of Health, Vital Records. The original online newspaper and fact checking organizations (L.A. Times, Daily Kos, Annenberg Political FactCheck, Politifact) who received the image from the campaign said they received the image from the campaign.

So therefore, the online image of the birth document means nothing…

…except that many many Americans were duped into believing the image was for real including the media and our own state and national public officials!

http://jbjd.org/2011/02/20/too-ignorant-to-lead/
http://jbjd.org/2011/01/03/de-coder-rings-1of2/

Find out what a genuine birth “identification document” is with the proper “authentication feature[s]” as issued by lawful authority as issued by “a State” as per U.S. Code Section 1028.

“(3) the term “identification document” means a document made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a sponsoring entity of an event designated as a special event of national significance, a foreign government, political subdivision of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals;”
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00001028—-000-.html

Remember political free speech is a constitutional protection which the Founding Fathers had in mind when they drafted the First Amendment.

Guess what and coincidental? Annenberg Political FactCheck who, by using their own right of free speech, told us that the birth certificate image was for real and did warn us by explaining that politicians can lie legally in an updated 2007 article, the same year the candidate announced his candidacy. And they do give us an example of presidential candidates which, as they say, are allowed to legally lie.

“False Ads: There Oughta Be A Law! – Or Maybe Not
June 3, 2004
Updated: May 10, 2007
By Brooks Jackson

(This article was originally posted June 3, 2004. We are reissuing it now, updated only to fix bad links and such. Politicians still can lie legally, and the high volume of ads expected in 2008 campaigns makes it likely that voters will be exposed to more deception than ever. -B.J.)…

Read the story and see the APFC screen caps at; http://jbjd.org/2011/02/20/too-ignorant-to-lead/
or see the article here: http://www.factcheck.org/specialreports188.html

“The Supreme Court in Citizens United v. FEC, 130 S. Ct. 876 (2010), while freeing corporations to make unlimited independent expenditures from their treasuries, reaffirmed the importance of disclosure to a well-informed electorate. The Court reasoned:

… With the advent of the Internet, prompt disclosure of expenditures can provide shareholders and citizens with the information needed to hold corporations and elected officials accountable for their positions. . . citizens can see whether elected officials are “‘in the pocket’ of so-called moneyed interests.” The First Amendment protects political speech; and disclosure permits citizens and shareholders to react to the speech of corporate entities in a proper way. This transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages.”
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1088:9-13-2010-legal-center-questions-fec-on-statements-implying-non-enforcement-of-election-law-&catid=63:legal-center-press-releases&Itemid=61

‘The First Amendment protects political speech… transparency enables the electorate to make informed decisions and give proper weight to different speakers and messages.’

Neither the web page nor has anywhere or anyone else revealed conclusive evidence such as a birth document request letter from the requester to Hawaii or an acknowledgment from Hawaii verifying the image as being real and authentic. Until genuine birth “identification document” records are publicly reviewed, this means no disclosure, no transparency and therefore no public record exists of Mr. Obama being constitutionally eligible for President and of course this is only the first step in determining natural born citizenship.

Mr. Obama will begin his campaign the second quarter of this year so begin spreading this information all the way to the end of the internet so the American people are informed about the truth of his undocumented status. This way, only a DNC official and committed followers will be the only ones left to “play for the big win”.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/146261-dnc-chairman-were-going-to-play-for-the-big-win


46 posted on 02/28/2011 12:28:43 AM PST by azgo
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To: TakeChargeBob

One fact we know for sure: the birth announcements say nothing about the LOCATION of where the baby was born.


47 posted on 02/28/2011 7:58:10 AM PST by ConjunctionJunction
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To: chatter4

There is absolute proof that Obama was born in Kenya. Read the book: “OBAMA - INELIGIBLE TO SERVE - LIES, CRIMES and DEADLY AMBITION” (at Amazon). In this book there are Legal Facts that explain WHY Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE under the U.S. Constitution. There are also transcripts of testimony that state Obama was born in Kenya, Statements made by the Kenyan Ambassador confirming he born there, articles in Newspapers are quoted, and numerous other accounts by many people all stating Obama was born there, including his own Grandmother and other family members. Everyone has to get their facts first, then argue — if they can after they read the book. Obama is a fraud — and is perpetrating the biggest HOAX on the American people in history. (If anyone does not understand the legal cases and what they say — this book will explain the cases and the concepts in clear, understandable terms.) America must wake up!!!


48 posted on 02/28/2011 11:54:26 AM PST by Jayyyy (Obama was Born in Kenya)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Thats an attack.

No. It's my opinion.

49 posted on 02/28/2011 1:13:42 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: Jayyyy
There is absolute proof that Obama was born in Kenya. Read the book: “OBAMA - INELIGIBLE TO SERVE - LIES, CRIMES and DEADLY AMBITION” (at Amazon). In this book there are Legal Facts that explain WHY Obama is NOT ELIGIBLE under the U.S. Constitution. There are also transcripts of testimony that state Obama was born in Kenya, Statements made by the Kenyan Ambassador confirming he born there, articles in Newspapers are quoted, and numerous other accounts by many people all stating Obama was born there, including his own Grandmother and other family members. Everyone has to get their facts first, then argue — if they can after they read the book.

That sounds like a lot of stuff that's been long-debunked, not new information. Did you just sign up to spam this book?

50 posted on 02/28/2011 3:56:14 PM PST by Kleon
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