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Republicans use misleading arguments against women’s rights
(UT) Shorthorn ^ | Sunday, 27 February 2011 | Jon Snow

Posted on 03/01/2011 1:54:10 PM PST by presidio9

In a recent column in The Shorthorn, Elizabeth Page argues that pro-life taxpayer dollars shouldn’t pay for abortions. While the premise of her argument is misleading, the Hyde Amendment already bars the appropriation of federal funds to pay for abortions, she’s entitled to her own opinion. What she’s not entitled to, however, are her own facts.

Page states that Planned Parenthood “makes millions of dollars performing abortions.” Furthermore, she suggests that they are in the business of making a profit. This simply isn’t the case. There are no shareholders in Planned Parenthood. Nobody gets a bonus for selling the most services.

Any excess revenue goes directly back into the organization to cover operational expenses. Meanwhile, the IRS requires that Planned Parenthood document every exchange of monies. For them to do otherwise would be to risk their status as a nonprofit organization.

“Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill,” asserts Page, rather pretentiously I might add. Perhaps “baby grinder” would have been too much. In actuality, abortion procedures account for only 3 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provides — less than contraception; testing and treatment of STDs; cancer screening and prevention; and general health services, including pregnancy tests, prenatal care and infertility services. If Planned Parenthood is an abortion mill, they have a rather inefficient way of going about it.

Finally, Page makes an emotional plea: “In a few years, when you walk your child to class on his or her first day of school and take a look at all the wide-eyed children smiling, think about kids who aren’t there because a pinhead Planned Parenthood employee convinced an ignorant woman that an abortion was the right decision.”

Apparently, she has no sympathy for the young mother of modest means who, despite practicing safe sex and taking all the right precautions, ends up pregnant with her fourth child. According to Page, that mother would have to be ignorant to consider having an abortion under such difficult circumstances.

The recent demonization of Planned Parenthood coincides with the current Republican onslaught of women’s reproductive rights by federal and state lawmakers. The Texas Senate just passed a measure that would require a woman to receive a sonogram before she can have an abortion. The House is likely to vote on it soon.

While it may be the case that a doctor would prefer a patient undergo a sonogram for medical reasons, that is a matter to be decided between a patient and her doctor. Forcing a doctor to perform a sonogram under penalty of law, however, is nothing more than legalized abuse with the intention of causing psychological harm to a woman already facing a tough decision.

Unfortunately, many anti-choice activists who get their information from right-wing sources are either ignorant of the facts about abortion and public policy, or are unashamed partisans who deliberately mislead the public to further their political agenda.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; babykillers; evilsobs; murderers

Jon Snow

1 posted on 03/01/2011 1:54:17 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

Women’s rights?

Oh! He means “to kill their unborn babies”.

That clarifies it.


2 posted on 03/01/2011 1:56:03 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

loonie tunes: FACTS are FACTS!!

“Planned Parenthood received $349.6 million in tax dollars in the fiscal year ending on June 30, 2008, and it paid its president, Cecile Richards, $385,163, plus another $11,876 in benefits and deferred compensation.

According to a “fact sheet” published by the organization, Planned Parenthood Affiliate Health Centers performed 324,008 abortions in 2008.

Planned Parenthood’s fiscal year that ended on June 30, 2008 is the latest year for which the organization has publicly released an annual report and published the annual sum of grants and contracts it received from the government.

In January 2009, Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) introduced legislation to defund Planned Parenthood and other abortion providers that receive taxpayer funding. His bill, H.R. 614, would amend the Public Health Service Act to prohibit “providing any federal family planning assistance to an entity unless the entity certifies that, during the period of such assistance, the entity will not perform, and will not provide any funds to any other entity that performs an abortion.”


3 posted on 03/01/2011 1:58:15 PM PST by bareford101 ("Aslan's on the move." The Last Battle-CS Lewis)
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To: presidio9

If one has to lie and mislead to save lives, so be it. Oskar Schindler did it to save Jews from the Nazi beasts and we call him a hero, rightfully so. If we have to lie to put a blockade in the way of the holocaust of human babies going on under the liberal SS in this country, then so be it esp. since the idea of abortion being somehow a constitutional right embedded in the founding document is itself a lie—a horrorific one that has lead to an unthinkable mass slaughter.


4 posted on 03/01/2011 1:59:43 PM PST by MissesBush
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To: presidio9

It’s not a rights issue. It is a moral issue.


5 posted on 03/01/2011 1:59:50 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: presidio9

Just another apologist for the abortion mills that thinks we have no right to question where our taxes go. He couldn’t be more wrong.


6 posted on 03/01/2011 2:01:22 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: bareford101

His bill, H.R. 614, would amend the Public Health Service Act to prohibit “providing any federal family planning assistance to an entity unless the entity certifies that, during the period of such assistance, the entity will not perform, and will not provide any funds to any other entity that performs an abortion.”


I see he’s been reading my posts on Free Republic.


7 posted on 03/01/2011 2:01:47 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Side note -

do not trust any man named “Jon” without the “h”.


8 posted on 03/01/2011 2:02:26 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Dear Mr. Snow—You don’t have a uterus, though I’m sure you wish you did, so stop wasting your life defending infanticide. And seeing your picture you look like gay hippy anyway, so you won’t be getting anyone pregnant anytime soon and thank goodness for that.


9 posted on 03/01/2011 2:02:52 PM PST by MissesBush
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To: presidio9

Am I really listening to a boy with an earring in his lower lip?


10 posted on 03/01/2011 2:03:37 PM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: presidio9
It's getting to the point where even they don't believe their own lies.
11 posted on 03/01/2011 2:06:52 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: presidio9

What a Snow job.

I’d like to see this SFB refute the fact that PP is a racist organization that supports Black genocide by selectively targeting minorities for abortion.


12 posted on 03/01/2011 2:07:55 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (Yes, as a matter of fact, what you do in your bedroom IS my business.)
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To: presidio9
...Republican onslaught of women’s reproductive rights by federal and state lawmakers.

What are the "women's reproductive rights" Republicans are assailing? What are men's reproductive rights? Are the "reproductive rights" that American women have different than those American men have? Don't Americans have the same rights regardless of race creed or sex?

13 posted on 03/01/2011 2:08:03 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (A half-truth is a complete lie)
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To: presidio9

So government should stay out of medical decisions that should be between a patient and her doctor? But I’m sure he’s all in favor of single payer healthcare.

Mrs. Prince of Space


14 posted on 03/01/2011 2:08:56 PM PST by Prince of Space
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To: presidio9
"Republicans use misleading arguments against women’s rights"

Yeah? Well, at least they're not beating them up...
UNIONTHUG
15 posted on 03/01/2011 2:10:16 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: presidio9

SO it would be ok for the Federal Government to fund the Catholic Church’s Circumcision Procedures under the same logic by the Catholic Church setting up a Circumcision Charity operating under the flag of providing men reproductive services?


16 posted on 03/01/2011 2:10:37 PM PST by dila813
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To: MrB
do not trust any man named “Jon” without the “h”.

Unless your name is "Kyl," without the "e."

17 posted on 03/01/2011 2:12:15 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Could be that they don’t believe their own lies anymore,

and it could be that they truly start to believe the “front” argument they’re using to keep from having to defend the indefensible truth behind their “shield” issue.


18 posted on 03/01/2011 2:13:29 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Having sex is not a right Jon. Stop putting your morality on me and using my tax dollars to do it. If you disagree go build a church, but don’t take money out of my pocket and act like I’m supposed to support it you fascist thug.

It sounds like they are making plenty of money on selling their services, so they can do fine without govt money.

Excuse me, MY money. Time for PP to live within their means.


19 posted on 03/01/2011 2:14:46 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: presidio9

Wow! First time I have seen the poster of an article put in a big picture of himself. It does tell me something about his personality. The Republicans’ argument is correct. I do hope this person who covers his hair knows all about Margaret Sanger.


20 posted on 03/01/2011 2:15:20 PM PST by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: bareford101

Funny... Mr. Snow attempts to minimize the amount of importance abortion has to PP by claiming abortion makes up only 3% of the procedures they do...but he leaves out of the equation how much money abortion MAKES for them. Anyone have the numbers for THAT?

Mrs. Prince of Space


21 posted on 03/01/2011 2:15:38 PM PST by Prince of Space
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To: MissesBush
If one goes to the DNA level, why should it be legal for any woman to kill someone with different DNA that she had. She had control over her uterus, but not the individual that is within the uterus...If she doesn't want the baby, let her have a hysterectomy. That's her DNA and she will never have to repeat the procedure..
22 posted on 03/01/2011 2:16:07 PM PST by goat granny
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To: winkadink

The PP supporters I know will deny all day the origins of Planned Parenthood,

and will not look at any evidence about Sanger.


23 posted on 03/01/2011 2:16:51 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Under the Constitution, EVERYONE has unalienable rights....not just women. No logic here. Biology proves that he advocates killing human beings because they are inconvenient? How can any laws exist in the US that deny an innocent person their right to life?

Such unconstitutional thinking for hedonism and nihilism—a way of life which will result in no happiness? That which promotes the disregard and sanctity of the body—to be irresponsible with that act which creates life.

The slippery slope does exist....we either say human beings have dignity and worth or we become like Adolf—deny God and become one and declare who has the right to live or die and use the power of the state to enforce our ungodly evil actions.

Let’s get back to the Constitution and Bill of Rights which apply to all Americans....even those in the womb.


24 posted on 03/01/2011 2:21:22 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: MrB

I don’t trust men named “Jon” sans “h” who wear their hats backwards and wear strange hardware on their lips. I always ensure I have my “hardware” at the ready, just inside my belt.


25 posted on 03/01/2011 2:24:45 PM PST by Cyber Liberty (You CAN get blood from a stone, if you throw it hard enough.)
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To: Prince of Space

First, there is the, ahem, counting system:

One female:

receives abortion (counted once)
receives birthcontrol (counted 365 times how long she is able to get pregnant)
received birth control counseling (counted AT LEAST 52 times how long she is able to get pregnant).

Second, there is the money the administration makes.

If the head dog makes half a million, one can be sure the minions are also racking in our money and snickering all the way to the bank!

Third, several states DO NOT COUNT abortions in the information they give to the feds, they just rake in our money!


26 posted on 03/01/2011 2:24:52 PM PST by bareford101 ("Aslan's on the move." The Last Battle-CS Lewis)
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To: dila813

quote:”the Catholic Church’s Circumcision Procedures”

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????


27 posted on 03/01/2011 3:18:08 PM PST by me1og
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To: me1og

Sarc


28 posted on 03/01/2011 3:27:37 PM PST by dila813
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To: presidio9

Planned Parenthood is full of baloney when they say they don’t make money because “they don’t have shareholders.” Their “operational expenses” include the salaries of everyone who works for PP. So if their employees, and especially their highest-level managers, are taking home money then yes, they are making money off of abortions.


29 posted on 03/01/2011 3:34:41 PM PST by Triton42
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To: MissesBush
If one has to lie and mislead to save lives, so be it.

It is morally justifiable to lie to immoral people, if those people would otherwise use the truth for evil purposes. That does not mean that it is appropriate to lie to moral or morally ambivalent people. One common argument made by those who exaggerated the effects of "global warming" was that it was so important to motivate the public to do something that exaggeration for that purpose was justified. Never mind that the only reason the issue seemed so important was that it was exaggerated beyond any semblance of reality.

30 posted on 03/01/2011 4:21:18 PM PST by supercat (Barry Soetoro == Bravo Sierra)
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To: presidio9

you guys need to lay off mr. snow here. Doncha know he has to be pro-choice to land sleazy women?

/sarc sort of


31 posted on 03/01/2011 4:35:23 PM PST by Big Giant Head (Two years no AV, no viruses, computer runs great!)
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To: Triton42

Let’s see if I got this right. Government funds only goes to 3% of abortions and the rest goes to other women’s medical issues? Okay. So why do they need government money? We don’t want the government to pay for abortions and according to Mr. Titmouse we really do not. So let the women go to a regular doctor for their treatments like the rest of us. Then PPH won’t need any money at all. They can close down or pay the 3% with fees from the patients.


32 posted on 03/01/2011 7:50:35 PM PST by WVNan
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To: MrB
do not trust any man named “Jon” without the “h”.

Sounds like the old moral caution about men named "Lance" and guys with razor-thin mustaches.


33 posted on 03/02/2011 1:54:59 AM PST by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: bareford101

I received an email from lifesitenews (IIRC) that showed the amount spent on abortion vs all their other services.

The abortion $ simply dwarfed the amount spent on other services. From the chart, it looked like they spent about 1% on other services and the rest on abortions.

(sumbuddy B LION!)

Can someone find that chart?


34 posted on 03/02/2011 5:09:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

do not trust any man named “Jon” without the “h”.

Unless, of course, he's suggesting that rehab might not be the worst place in the face of the earth.

35 posted on 03/02/2011 2:27:41 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: dila813
SO it would be ok for the Federal Government to fund the Catholic Church’s Circumcision Procedures under the same logic by the Catholic Church setting up a Circumcision Charity operating under the flag of providing men reproductive services?

Um... there are no "Catholic Church Circumcision Procedures," nor is there a Catholic Rite of Circumcision. Here's hoping that you are not an adult convert to Catholicism who got talked into one!

When in doubt on a theological issue, St Paul is usually my own first source. See Galatians 5:6

" For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision avails anything nor uncircumcision: but faith that works by Charity"

36 posted on 03/02/2011 3:56:45 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: me1og
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

See post 36. BTW, that sure is a lot of ?'s.

37 posted on 03/02/2011 3:58:00 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does)
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To: presidio9

Guys, I was being sarcastic, you guys are so serious rebutting sarcasm.


38 posted on 03/02/2011 4:02:12 PM PST by dila813
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