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Ford warns electric cars may be only for the rich
The Telegraph ^ | 3/2/2011 | Graham Ruddick, Geneva

Posted on 03/02/2011 3:45:10 PM PST by bruinbirdman

Ford's chief financial officer has warned predictions of a surge in electric car sales are "very ambitious", as next generation vehicles dominate the Geneva Motor Show.

Lewis Booth, a Briton, raised concerns about their viability without state subsidies. Most leading car makers have unveiled new electric or hybrid models in Geneva, while BMW and Peugeot have confirmed a €100m (£85m) joint venture to develop electric technologies.

However, Mr Booth said: "Electric vehicles at the moment are still very expensive and have limitations. There is a question mark about how long governments can subsidise vehicles when they are under so much pressure from other funding issues.

"Some of the sales projections... for electric vehicles are very ambitious because I am not sure how customers are going to be able to afford to pay.

"Our philosophy is that we have a suite of technologies, from continuing to improve conventional vehicles, right through to plug-ins, hybrids and electric vehicles. The customer is going to decide and we want to satisfy all customers, not just rich customers."

Philippe Varin, chief executive of Peugeot, warned Europe is in danger of being left behind by Asia and America if it does not improve investment in infrastructure for low-carbon vehicles. "We have to standardise infrastructure. We are late compared to Asia," he said.

"When you look at the amount of money supporting car manufacturing in

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cars; electric; ford; rich
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To: nascarnation

“I’m not for evs as a single solution, but I want to cut off the muzzies from the 100s of billions we send them. Evs and nat gas look like the winners to me.”

Plus nuclear.


41 posted on 03/02/2011 5:06:26 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: bruinbirdman
Philippe Varin, chief executive of Peugeot, warned Europe is in danger of being left behind by Asia and America if it does not improve investment in infrastructure for low-carbon vehicles. "We have to standardise infrastructure. We are late compared to Asia," he said.

If Johnny (& Chang) jumps off the roof of the building are you going to?

42 posted on 03/02/2011 5:08:35 PM PST by Tallguy (Received a fine from the NFL for a helmet-to-helmet hit.)
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To: justlurking

“The Chevy Volt costs $41,000 — and I think that’s AFTER a $7,500 subsidy from the federal government.

As someone pointed out on another thread: if you multiply that by the number of Volts that Chevy wants to sell this year, it’s nearly a billion dollars.”

To make it even worse, just TRY to get one for 41,000. The typical “premium” at the dealership is 5K - so, actually, the Chinese are subsidizing the government that owns a good part of GM, which is actually subsidizing the dealer, not the buyer of the car, who will be stuck paying for the government subsidy so that the Chinese can be repaid, with, they hope, interest.

The system works! Uhhh.....NOT.


43 posted on 03/02/2011 5:12:09 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: truth_seeker

yes
evs powered by domestic coal and nuke generated juice


44 posted on 03/02/2011 5:31:25 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: FrankR

You do realize the Volt has a gas engine on board as a range extender don’t you?

That’s what makes it unique (and more expensive), as compared to the Nissan Leaf which is battery only.


45 posted on 03/02/2011 5:33:45 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: nascarnation

Ditto that!


46 posted on 03/02/2011 6:25:09 PM PST by SonOfDarkSkies ('And what rough beast, its hour come round at last, slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?' Yeats)
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To: nascarnation
"You do realize the Volt has a gas engine on board as a range extender don’t you?"

Well, so does my leaf blower...but you seemed to be thrilled by this throwback to the Studebaker electric...so...well, it's your $41K...not mine.
47 posted on 03/02/2011 6:28:37 PM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: justlurking

How GM “Lied” About The Electric Car

The Chevy Volt has been hailed as General Motors’ electric savior. Now, as GM officially rolls out the Volt this week for public consumption, we’re told the much-touted fuel economy was misstated and GM “lied” about the car being all-electric.

http://jalopnik.com/5661051/how-gm-lied-about-the-electric-car

The article says that the engine kicks in and provides torque when you are above 70mph. That’s not an all electric, that’s a hybrid.( A hybrid that doesn’t even top 40 mpg.)


48 posted on 03/02/2011 6:35:25 PM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: bruinbirdman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqK1LVtbmTI

HAHA


49 posted on 03/02/2011 6:39:39 PM PST by quantim (Victory is not relative, it is absolute.)
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To: bruinbirdman

Why would the rick drive such trash??


50 posted on 03/02/2011 6:43:28 PM PST by dalereed
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To: Leo Farnsworth

My test for electric cars is if I can drive it from New Jersey to Tampa in 24 hours. If not, than they are a waste of time.


51 posted on 03/02/2011 6:59:41 PM PST by gusty
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To: FrankR

I’m not thrilled.
But I do believe FReepers have an obligation to correct factual errors in posts.


52 posted on 03/02/2011 7:00:58 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: bruinbirdman

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_37/b4099060491065.htm

The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can’t Have


53 posted on 03/02/2011 7:01:27 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: MamaDearest

Good for Ford!

We keep our house at 72°F 24/7.

It’s doctors orders because of my wife having cold agglutinin disease.


54 posted on 03/03/2011 7:43:30 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: justlurking

GM’s sales goal for the Volt for 2011 is 10,000 units.

At $7,500 each (max) in subsidy, that’s $75 million at a maximum, assuming that every buyer has $7,500 in taxes they can offset.

Not peanuts, not what I would call a wise expenditure, but a LONG way from $1 billion.


55 posted on 03/03/2011 11:59:40 AM PST by eraser2005
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To: blackie

We keep; our thermostat at 68 degrees. It gets a tad chilly in here, especially at night. We have blankets, sweaters and heavy robes handily available. I can hardly wait for the warmth of summer.


56 posted on 03/03/2011 1:50:22 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Neidermeyer
The 65 mpg Ford the U.S. Can’t Have

There are lots of vehicles sold in Europe that we can't have that get superb mileage. I really miss my old VW rabbit diesel hatchback that got around 40-50 mpg all the time. There really is no equivalent vehicle sold these days in this country.

57 posted on 03/03/2011 1:53:34 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: MamaDearest

Unfortunately the USEPA really limited diesels with severe emission limits. The amount of claptrap on the 2010 diesels is amazing.


58 posted on 03/03/2011 1:57:47 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: bruinbirdman

Buying an electric car with our current electrical grid in America is like buying zeppelin stock.

It will fly, but when it fails it will do so with flaming glory.


59 posted on 03/03/2011 2:06:48 PM PST by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: MamaDearest

68°F is way too cold for the old curmudgeon.


60 posted on 03/04/2011 9:21:38 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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