The short lived 49 star flag.
Would all residents retain US citizenship if that were to ever happen?
Posted on 03/02/2011 4:46:46 PM PST by GOPsterinMA
Would you have wanted the public option or Medicare for all? Granted the Democrats had a filibuster proof majority when they passed the first healthcare bill, but the situation could have been much worse. How about cap and trade?
In Massachusetts, Mitt Romney and Scott Brown are the best we’re going get there right now.
I’m devastated. Really. Honest. Okay, okay! Not.
I guess “aloha” is apropos.
It's strange that Inouye outlasted Akaka. Inouye became Senator in 1959, Akaka in 1990. Big gap there. But they were pretty much like the Maine twins, Hawaii just elected a clone of Inouye when they put Akaka in there. Both were born in Honolulu in 1924 and served in World War II, both are very liberal asian-American Democrats, etc. Inouye probably wants to be another Robert Byrd and won't leave til he's carried out feet first. Ideally, the RATs could continue the tradition by finding another 86 year old liberal RAT to replace Akaka. ;-)
I would probably just try to run Charles Djou for the open Senate seat, though admittedly he'd be a long shot and the only reason he won 1 term in the House is because the RAT vote was split between candidates. Hard to see us making any meaningful gains in Hawaii, in any scenario.
My ideal solution? Give Hawaii independence and cut 'em lose. Whoever decided they'd make be ideal candidate for statehood was out of their mind. Oh well. Fat chance Congress will agree with my proposal any time soon.
A beach on Molokai. A very drunk, very large Hawaiian, sitting in a pick-up truck full of beer cans, accused me of coming to his island and ruining his culture.
Hawaii was supposed to be a GOP-leaning counterweight to Alaska which was supposed to be labor union rat. It was a surprise that Alaska went for Nixon.
Of course it was Hawaii where they unions took over, and they already had by 1960, I doubt anyone thought it would turn into total domination thought.
Check out this extremely! biased Wikipedia article
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Revolution_of_1954_(Hawaii)
I’m more and more of the opinion that it’s time to cut Hawaii loose as a state. The fact that all 4 of its federal members are extreme-left (and the Governor), and that the 2 Senators held hostage the rest of the country with keeping the Democrats in the majority (at least with respect to the 2007-09 session) is outrageous. Even more appalling seeing that Communists played a substantial role in aiding the Democrat party in the state is yet another reason that they should become “Independent.” Let’s see how well they resolve their own problems and maintain their Socialist utopia without federal taxpayer support.
If a majority of Hawaiians want independence, then I’d be happy to send them on their merry way—so long as we sign perpetual leases for our bases.
The short lived 49 star flag.
Would all residents retain US citizenship if that were to ever happen?
There is no precedent on point regarding a state (or even a territory) becoming independent in which virtually all residents were U.S. citizens. The closest thing to a precedent is the Philippines, where, back when it was a U.S. territory, most persons born there were nationals (but not citizens) of the U.S., which was also the status of most persons born in Puerto Rico prior to 1917 (when U.S. citizenship was granted) and of most persons born in American Samoa to this day (”nationals of the U.S.” have the right to move anywhere in the U.S. without registering as aliens but do not have rights of citizenship such as voting, etc.). When the Philippines was granted independence, Filipinos who stayed in the Philippines were deemed to have forfeited their U.S. nationality, but those who moved or had already moved to the U.S. retained their U.S. nationality.
So, if the nationality precedent is followed in a case involving citizenship, U.S. citizens who decide to stay in an independent Hawaii could well be deemed to have relinquished their U.S. citizenship voluntarily (as per Afroyim v. Rusk, stripping someone’s U.S. citizenship is something that can only be done if the person voluntarily relinquishes it, save for very few exceptions regarding naturalized citizens who lied in their application).
BTW, HI is #1 in my list of states that I would like to see secede, followed by VT.
Poor Vermont. Why did all those hippies choose to move there?
Still they’d probably be fairly conservative for Eastern Canadian Province.
I hope HI doesn’t get washed out of the union.
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