Skip to comments.Illinois State Senator Barack Obama says childhood in Kenya
Posted on 03/04/2011 5:18:31 PM PST by syc1959
In Sept 2006 Illinois State Senator Obama, while on an international trip was interviewed by Lynn Sweet of the Sun-Times.
Obama: Africa lessons; look ahead. En route back to U.S. By Lynn Sweet on September 3, 2006 8:40 AM |
NDJAMENA, ChadSen. Barack Obama departed this capital city Sunday morning, en route on an Army military aircraft to Frankfort, Germany to catch a commercial flight back to the United States
Obamas next big international journey will be in 2007 hes looking at China, India and Indonesia, where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.
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At this point it seems that if ObumBler himself came out and said I was not born here, they still would not care.
Oh, he didn’t mean that. He was just “tired”. Like when he said “57 states” and “corpse-men”.
I don’t think I have ever posted at the exact time to the second before.
I don't know about the irony part, but this, in the body of the article is totally inconsistent with the headline. WTF is up here.
i looked at all the links. i cannot see anything about him growing up in Kenya. I do see that he states china and indonesia are more to his childhood than kenya. Is this cover for Huckabee?
you have to read
Obamas next big international journey will be in 2007 hes looking at China, India and Indonesia, where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.
After the Obama reign of terror ends (hopefully on January 20th, 2013)it will be revealed that Obama is not a natural born US citizen and, therefore, he was not Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS. A lot of pundits (like BOR, for example) and RINOs who berated anyone who questioned the citizenship question will have egg on their faces.
Just a prediction.
yeah but he was born in Hawaii because Bill O’Reilly says “the Factor investigated” and found this was so.
“it will be revealed that Obama is not a natural born US citizen and, therefore, he was not Constitutionally qualified to be POTUS. “
I do not foresee this scenario playing out for several reasons;
1. Obama would risk losing his benefits, &
2. a man is in the brig because of the lie...to many people are complicit in the charade.
What is the connotation of his reference to irony? What is the irony of his living longer in Indonesia than in Kenya? Can this be decoded, anyone?
I distinctly remember in a senatorial debate with Alan Keyes that when Dr. Keys said 0 couldn’t be president 0 stated “well I’m not running for president”. That’s all I needed then and now.
“you have to read
Obamas next big international journey will be in 2007 hes looking at China, India and Indonesia, where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.”
He’s saying here that his childhood was in Indonesia, which is well known to most people who have paid any attention at all, I think. But it’s still the opposite of what the headline says.
“Are you saying that history will never show that Obama was an impostor?”
My comment was in reply to ‘after the reign of terror...’ which I took to mean very soon after Obama leaves office.
Actually my fear is that Obama not being qualified with “native born” and Congress nor SCOTUS doing a darn thing about it, could be used as a “precedent” to allow other dual citizens to the Presidency in the NWO. The defense being “everyone knew he was not native. In his books, he admitted his Dad was Kenyan, yet the majority voted for him. The Supreme Court and Congress knew his father was Kenyan.....” and so on.
I am nowhere near the legal scholar, but it seems that legally it would not seem to matter since the Kelo ruling, where nothing seems to be common sense.
If my “feared scenario” does not occur as far as what the history books reveal will be determined by the writers of the history books. In the last history text I read, McCarthyism is still demonized.
I hope my fear is wrong in all instances.
I wrote to Justice Thomas and others on the not so Supreme Court from late 2008 to Jan 2009, imploring them to make sure Zero was eligible. I wrote at least a dozen times. Then after the evil deed was done Jan 20, 2009, I wrote to shame them for shirking their duty.
I used to have some respect for at least Clarence Thomas, based on how Rush speaks of him etc, but not anymore. He’s as guilty as the rest of the gov’t hacks that let this happen. Surely if ordinary Americans know a dual citizen cannot be POTUS, all of them do. They are just crooked, and we are not.
The entire gov’t is rotten, root to top of the tree. All of ‘em. All too cowardly to hold a half white half black man to Constitutional standards. It’s the soft racism of low expectations, and I am sure Barry is very appreciative of the low standards he’s gotten away with all his life.
That’s good enough for me, too.
The words “more of a childhood” imply he had “a childhood” in Kenya AND Indonesia. But he’s such a sloppy speaker that it’s possible he just made an Obama-esque statement — one that’s absurd.
SC justices have no ability to ensure anybody is eligible for public office.
“...and Indonesia, ‘where ironically I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.’”
Parsing the statement:
(a) He spent some portion of his childhood in Indonesia...
(b) Using the word “more”: “more” describes his amount of childhood time in Indonesia as a comparison to childhood time in Kenya...
(c) The “more” comparison indicates he spent some portion of his childhood in Kenya...
(d) It is known he was with his mother in Seattle, WA from fall 1961 until after Senior’s departure for Harvard in 1962...
(e) It is known he was enrolled in kindergarten in Honolulu in 1966...
(f) It is known he was taken by his mother to Indonesia, to join her husband Lolo Soetoro there, in appx. Oct. 1967...
(g) It is known he returned to Hawaii in summer of 1970 to live with his grandparents...
(h) It is known Senior visited the family in Dec. 1970, staying in Hawaii for a month...
(i) It is presumed Barry lived in Honolulu with his grandparents, continuously - except for a period of time with his mother when she and the half-sister also lived in Honolulu - from 1970 until he left for college in 1979...
(j) His father, Obie Senior, didn’t return to Kenya until after his 2-year master’s degree stint at Harvard: 1962-1964.
(k) His enrollment in kindergarten in Honolulu was 1966...
(l) That portion of his childhood spent in Indonesia was just shy of 3 years: appx. 10/67 - appx. 8/70...
(m) Deduction: whatever length of time it was that he “...had less of a childhood in Kenya than he had in Indonesia” would - by default - have to have been during the time frame between leaving Seattle in 1962 and starting kindergarten in Honolulu in fall 1966. Specifically, if he had more of a childhood in Indonesia than he did in Kenya, his time in Kenya would have been [for - probably considerably - less than the Indonesian 3 years] during the time between summer 1964 [father’s return to Kenya from US] and fall 1966.
The problem with Barry’s indicating/saying he spent any of his childhood in Kenya is the Kenyan relatives. A portion of them insist he was born there - that they witnessed his birth there. Why is it then that none of them have mentioned him having [a portion of] “...a childhood...” in Kenya? The statement he made to Lynn Sweet certainly does sound like he pointedly said he had spent some time of his childhood in Kenya - so when was it? We break down the known facts and come up with the only time “available” for him to have had some of his childhood in Kenya would be some undetermined period of time when he was between the ages of 3 years [father’s 1964 return to Kenya], and 5 years [kindergarten - Honolulu]. Yet none of those Kenyan relatives has said anything about him having been in Kenya while a “kid” - no mention of him living there, or of him even visiting. Nada. Zip. So one could therefore reasonably conclude that based upon what Barry’s Kenyan relatives purport to “know”, the only time he could have had less of a childhood in Kenya than he had in Indonesia - is when the relatives say he was born.
Yeah, yeah - Kenyan birth - nonsense. I’ve never given it serious thought, much less credibility.
Freud gave us one good thing: awareness of the “slip”, which calls our attention to hidden desires, or perhaps truths. With that knowledge, we’re compelled to ask the one very obvious question: At the mention of Indonesia in his conversation with journalist Lynn Sweet, why in hell did Barry’s mind jump from Indonesia to a childhood in Kenya??
How does his use of “ironically” strike others here? I looked it up, to give consideration to his context:
ironical: having the quality of irony; directly opposite to what is or might be expected.
It seems he was being “perfectly clear”: he was saying it would be expected for him to have had more of his childhood in Kenya than in Indonesia.
Well, Barry - why would it be expected for you to have had more of a childhood in Kenya than in Indonesia if you were born in Honolulu, Hawaii, United States of America? You know - Hawaii - where there doesn’t seem to be a long form birth certificate for you?
Thanks for the parsin’ parson. :) Well done.
Sloppy speaking comes from sloppy thinking.
>At this point it seems that if ObumBler himself came out and said I was not born here, they still would not care.<
You know darn well that the MSM would say .. so what!
Chrissy Matthews would have a tinkle down his leg and say what a great day it was that we elected a foreigner.
Stephonolopis would argue that he is in now so no harm no foul.
GMA would all be saying, what a wonderful job he has been doing especially since he wasn’t familiar with our customs and way of life.
Joe the idiot would be screaming anyone who wanted him out was a racist.
I can hear it all now.
Nicolas Kristof of the New York Times said that first.
>Nicolas Kristof of the New York Times said that first.<
did he get tinkle on his leg too??
Obama stated that he hasd part of his childhood inm Kenya.
There is no part of the fabled nativity story of Barack Abdallah Husein Obama being in Kenya before the early 1980’s.
Huckabee already said he misspoke. He can’t now go back and say anything different.
There is no part of the fabled nativity story of Barack Abdallah Husein Obama being in Kenya before the early 1980s.
That's true, but Zero's childhood was not over in the 1980's and, in fact, continues to the present day.
Barack Abdallah Husein Obama is the one that stated that where ironicall I actually have more of a childhood than I do in Kenya.
If Obama was never in Kenya as a child, then why id ‘HE’ refer to it.
I am so tired of hearing about politicians who misspeak.
In the article I read, Gomer repeated his Kenya hallucination several times.
I’ve wondered if there’s a simple explanation for that photo - though ‘simple explanation’ in conjunction in any way with Barry’s life is a mind-bender in itself. On the wall behind the boys there are several kid-style drawings of Christmas trees. Somewhere in “Dreams” Barry made mention of going to Hawaii for Christmas every year. The layout of the book is so disjointed and timeframe-scattered that I refer to the subject snippets as ‘threads’. It was in a ‘thread’ of Barry living in New York City that he mentioned readying to go to Hawaii for Christmas, as was done every year.
With that reference in mind - plus that the family seemingly had an ever-running spigot of money for halfway- around-the-world travel - I wonder if that photo was taken during a 1969 Christmas trip home to the folks’.
Wierd. Considering that family and Barry, the logic of it seems so...illogical.
I need to make a correction. My statement that Obama senior visited Hawaii for a month in 1970 is wrong. It was a year later - 1971 - that senior was there, in December.
My apologies for being sloppy and giving incorrect information. I shouldn’t have relied on memory for dates - measure twice, cut once rule applies to everything!
Thanks, Beckwith! :)
There is a photo online of Obama, December 1969, with a classmate in a classroom in Hawaii. It is 3rd grade. He would have been 8 yrs old.
He has his arm around a little boy who looks Japanese. The date and names are handwritten along the bottom of the photo. I think it was found by the other boy’s Mom and put into the public domain.
This photo disputes the timeline that is given in every article I read.
Every time I see this photo, it bothers me that there is no mole on the left side of Obama’s nose.
It is very visible in all recent photos of him.
There is a mole on Scott’s cheek that is visible in the childhood photo and also recent photos.
Lucy and Fred - what do you think about the lack of a mole? Can moles grow that big in adult hood but be entirely missing from the child?
Please see my comment, #35, about that photo. It’s really very likely Barry was merely visiting his grandparents for Christmas and stopped by the school to say to old classmates.
He made no particular mention in his book of a 1969 visit to Hawaii, but that’s hardly unusual. I’d classify it as one of his typical lies of omission - like his trip to Paahkeestaahn and other countries just after his move to New York City to attend Columbia.
Most of what we know about his life and history is not because what’s in “Dreams From My Father” - it’s because people have researched, dug, picked up clues - and dug some more. And most of what’s been discovered falls into the category of Barry’s lies of omission - which, relative to him, in reality constitutes deliberate lies of deception. He’s a faker and a fraud.
A former Manoa resident sent President Barack Obama an old photo of the two of them taken while they were third-grade classmates at Noelani Elementary School, requesting an autograph more than six months ago. He recently received the autographed picture back, as well as a personally signed thank-you note.
Widely published biographies say Obama lived in Indonesia from 1967 through 1971, and none mention his third-grade year at Noelani, Inoue acknowledges. But he said Obama attended at least part of his third-grade year at Noelani in 1969, perhaps during a visit back to Hawaii, and moved away.
Operative phrases: “taken while they were third-grade classmates at Noelani Elementary School,”
“he said Obama attended at least part of his third-grade year at Noelani in 1969, perhaps during a visit back to Hawaii,”
Must have been a long visit — but why, and why isn’t it mentioned in “Dreams...”?
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Are you saying you remeber it first hand or are you saying you remember hearing about it?
I tried to check out this debate with Alan Keyes. First off there definitely would be a recording. I believe my conclusion was that the rumor was false. Alan Keyes has never mentioned it and he has been asked I am sure.
That would have been something.
I had not seen that photo with an article saying they had been classmates. That would certainly indicate Barry was in Hawaii in 1969 for a longer period than just Christmastime.
Assuming the school would have been closed for the actual “Christmas vacation” recess, the photo would most likely have been taken prior to that recess starting. There are those drawings of Christmas trees on the wall in back of the boys - clearly pre-Christmas art projects. As I recall from my school days, and my kids’ school days, the teachers went in during the recess and took down all the Christmas decorations. A “clear” room for the start of the new year, so to speak.
It’s too bad little Scott and his mother couldn’t have had a clue as to the potential importance of their remembering in precise detail everything about Barry’s presence in Hawaii. It’s extremely helpful for our side that she, or Scott [whichever] even came up with the photo - don’t you just know Obama’s initial reaction was to curl up fetal-style and suck his thumb?! Obie knows we all are out here, digging and analyzing - he doesn’t know, however, how many more “Scotts” might be as well.
Maybe it's because if he really was born in August 1961 he would have been too young to be in grade three?
“...if he was really born in August 1961 he would have been too young to be in grade three?”
Maaaaybe. It depends on the school system. In that era the age for starting kindergarten varied even between school systems within the same state. My 5 kids all started in New York State, in three different towns and therefore school systems. The local boards determined what was known as the “cut-off date”. The cut-off date was the calendar date by which the child had to be 5 years old.
How it applies: Kid #1 was born 11/26/59, so he turned 5 years old on 11/26/64. The “cut-off” date where we lived was December 15th. Because he had turned 5 before Dec. 15th, he started kindergarten that school year: Sept. 1964.
So his age on his first day of school was 4 years, 9 months, and a few days. So for most of his kindergarten year he was 5years old. 1st grade: 6; 2nd grade: 7; 3rd grade: 8.
Another son was born 12/17/64. He would turn 5 years old on 12/17/69. Two days AFTER the 12/15 cut-off date - so he could not start kindergarten until the NEXT school year: 1970. When he started school in Sept. 1970, he was 5 years, 8 months, and a few weeks old. So for most of his kindergarted year he was 6 years old. 1st grade: 7; 2nd grade: 8; 3rd grade: 9.
Another school system we lived in had a cut-off date in June - so kids were at least 5 years, 3 months old before starting [and less likely to get of to a shakey start because of immaturity - this being before the days of working moms/daycare/early street-smarts].
We could probably find out the Honolulu schools’ present cut-off date. I’ve a feeling, however, that inquiries about the 1966 school year would result in the “Sorry - records lost, and anyone who might remember has died” routine.
Whatever, for Barry to have been in third grade at Christmastime [Christmas tree drawings on wall in photo background] of 1969, he would have to have started kindergarten in Sept. 1966 - at age 5 years, ~ 1 month. Very possible - but depending on the Honolulu cut-odd date.
As far as Barry not mentioning [”Dreams”] being in Hawaii for any part of his 3rd grade year - he also made no mention of being in kindergarten in Hawaii in that book, either. Could be wrong on that. IIRC, he didn’t talk about elementary schooling until in relation to Indonesia.
Apologies - my post #47 should have also been to Natural Born 54...
THANKS for that information. There appear to be many variables. I ran a search through ‘Dreams’ and the first reference to school in Hawaii appears to be Punahou, I could find nothing else.
“...cut-odd date” = cut-oFF date.