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Van der Sloot lawyer argues "crime of passion"
42 News ^ | March 6, 2011

Posted on 03/07/2011 8:57:24 AM PST by La Lydia

The body of a young woman was found in Joran van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee Holloway's disappearance on a school trip to Aruba. Prosecutors in Peru say van der Sloot has admitted killing Stephany Flores after she found material on his laptop relating to Natalee. Peruvian prosecutors say Joran van der Sloot killed Stephany Flores in cold blood and want an extra long sentence. The Dutchman's lawyer says it was a spontaneous, emotional act and his client should face no more than three to five years.

Van der Sloot's Peruvian lawyer, Max Altez, told the television program "Domingo al Dia" that the death was the result of a violent argument, not intentional. Altez says he's asking his client face a 3-5 year sentence, not the 30 years prosecutors are asking for.

Edward Alvarez, an attorney for the Flores family, told El Commercio that the family rejects the defense claims and is backing the prosecution. No trial date has been set yet and there's still plenty of legal wrangling unresolved, including whose responsibility is it to provide a Dutch-Spanish translator. The Dutch embassy has said it's not their job.

Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on a school trip to Aruba in May 2005. She was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and two of his friends. Van der Sloot was never charged...Natalee's body has never been found.

Van der Sloot is also under a federal indictment issued here in Alabama charging him with wire fraud and extortion. The FBI says he promised the family information about Natalee's fate, took their money, but never provided the information.

Van der Sloot has told a variety of versions of what happened that night in 2005....frequently to Dutch newspaper and television reporters. Natalee's mother Beth accompanied a Dutch tv crew into van der Sloot's Peruvian prison last year. The confrontation yielded footage for a 2 parter on Dutch TV but no information on Natalee's fate....


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: aruba; disappeared; murder; peru; vandersloot
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Crime of passion, indeed.
1 posted on 03/07/2011 8:57:28 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

It’s a crime of passion only to the extent that murdering young girls in cold blood is this guy’s passion.


2 posted on 03/07/2011 9:01:24 AM PST by circlecity
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To: La Lydia

I guess in a sense it’s a valid argument since it seems VDS has a passion for killing young women.


3 posted on 03/07/2011 9:02:21 AM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: La Lydia

Whatever jail time he gets for this, he’s facing a much worse fate in the future. I wouldn’t be him for anything.


4 posted on 03/07/2011 9:03:28 AM PST by American Quilter (Fire the striking Wisconsin teachers--and their Democrat congressional traitors.)
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To: La Lydia
Van der Sloot lawyer argues "crime of passion"

If someone were to kill this bastard in prison, maybe they will be able to claim the same- 'a crime of passion'?

5 posted on 03/07/2011 9:04:02 AM PST by rawhide
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To: La Lydia

Another thing, how could any lawyer even think to represent this scum?


6 posted on 03/07/2011 9:05:13 AM PST by rawhide
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To: La Lydia

Prosecuters are asking only 30 years? That’s not nearly long enough.


7 posted on 03/07/2011 9:08:04 AM PST by KansasGirl
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To: La Lydia
Yea, he was passionate about stealing her winnings and not getting caught.
8 posted on 03/07/2011 9:08:04 AM PST by MaxMax
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To: rawhide
Mountain Brook teenager Natalee Holloway disappeared on a school trip to Aruba in May 2005. She was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and two of his friends. Van der Sloot was never charged...Natalee's body has never been found.

I've always believed that he was up to his eyeballs in gambling debts and drugged Natalee and sold her to a sex slave outfit in Venezuela which is why they couldn't find any trace of a body. A beautiful blonde would bring top dollar.

9 posted on 03/07/2011 9:08:45 AM PST by Newfy
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To: Newfy
I've always believed that he was up to his eyeballs in gambling debts and drugged Natalee and sold her to a sex slave outfit in Venezuela which is why they couldn't find any trace of a body. A beautiful blonde would bring top dollar.

....if he did sell her into the sex slave trade, her buyers eliminated her as soon as CNN posted her photo. I think VDS killed her and his Dad helped dispose of the body.

10 posted on 03/07/2011 9:14:09 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: rawhide

Some lawyer has to do it or there wouldn’t be a trial.There’s always some lawyer with the heart of a snake ready to answer the call.


11 posted on 03/07/2011 9:14:43 AM PST by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: La Lydia

I hope the next article i read about this d-bag is in regards to his violent death at the hands of fellow prisoner El Lupe.


12 posted on 03/07/2011 9:15:02 AM PST by mowowie
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To: La Lydia

After Joran’s attempted escape and the assault of a guard I think it’s safe to say he’s not getting off with 5 years.

When he’s convicted and serving his prison term he’ll be a celebrity for not only murdering a young Peruvian woman but for attacking that guard. He may well not serve out his entire sentence or even close to it.


13 posted on 03/07/2011 9:17:57 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: rawhide
Another thing, how could any lawyer even think to represent this scum?

He deserves representation in a criminal matter. Doesn't mean he's innocent, just that he deserves representation. If you're charged with a crime, you should be entitled to be represented by somone who knows the law. There isn't any way to draw the line ahead of time as to who should be hanged immediately and who not.

Here lies the body of Arkansas Jim.
We made the mistake,
But the joke's on him.
To me this isn't nearly so bad as lawyers representing the scum who make a living suing business for lack of handicap access etc. These guys are nothing but shakedown artists.
14 posted on 03/07/2011 9:17:57 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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To: La Lydia
his client should face no more than three to five years.

Ha! His lawyer ought to get three to five just for suggesting that.

15 posted on 03/07/2011 9:22:57 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: rawhide

“Another thing, how could any lawyer even think to represent this scum?”

Most but all will do anything you can think of for money, They have no morals and no pride...


16 posted on 03/07/2011 9:22:59 AM PST by mongo141
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To: KansasGirl
"Prosecuters are asking only 30 years? That’s not nearly long enough."

I agree, "forever" would be better -- but:

"Peru is one of nine countries in the world that does have the death penalty, but only for crimes 'committed in exceptional circumstances'. This means crimes that are committed in times of war or genocide or crimes under military law."

17 posted on 03/07/2011 9:23:32 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: rawhide

If money doesn’t work, and notoriety doesn’t work, in most systems an attorney will be assigned the task, whether they want it or not.

This attorney is not going to the mattresses for this defendant however. He has already ceded the principal point, that the defendant committed the act.

Van der Sloot is toast, and daddy can’t protect him over there.


18 posted on 03/07/2011 9:24:06 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: Sooth2222; KansasGirl

He will not survive Peruvian prison.


19 posted on 03/07/2011 9:25:22 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: La Lydia

3 to 5 years??

wow.


20 posted on 03/07/2011 9:25:49 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: La Lydia

I laugh at all the self-masturbatory drama. Just try and execute the slug already!!!! Executions of proven murderers used to be a lot swifter and straight forward

These days we have all this charade instead of swift justice for the victims


21 posted on 03/07/2011 9:29:44 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: Psalm 144

I think that daddy is already in the next world. His protecting dayd in this world are over.


22 posted on 03/07/2011 9:31:22 AM PST by sport
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To: Newfy
I suspect that you are right. And I bet no one in the law has considered it.
23 posted on 03/07/2011 9:32:11 AM PST by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: KansasGirl
Like many countries, Peru has no life imprisonment statutes.

The longest sentence one can receive is 30 years.

In Norway the longest sentence anyone can serve for any crime is 21 years.

24 posted on 03/07/2011 9:32:36 AM PST by wideawake
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To: dennisw

What I don’t understand is why the Peruvian prison authorities haven’t already allowed this problem to take care of itself.


25 posted on 03/07/2011 9:34:17 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

I wonder how he’s enjoying Peruvian prison life? Bit of a change from before, I’d imagine.


26 posted on 03/07/2011 9:34:43 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Welcome to the USA - where every day is Backwards Day!)
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To: sport

Just as well he does not have to see it. I think the one possible thing that might be worse than having a child fall victim to someone like Van der Sloot, is to have a child -be- someone like Van der Sloot.


27 posted on 03/07/2011 9:39:47 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans - Don't read their lips. Watch their hands.)
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To: La Lydia

What I don’t understand is why the Peruvian prison authorities haven’t already allowed this problem to take care of itself.>>>>>>>>>

The Peruvian masses need more drama and diversion. Prison authorities like the media attention


28 posted on 03/07/2011 9:40:54 AM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: KansasGirl

Well, it’s a Peruvian prison and I doubt many survive 30 months, much less 30 years.


29 posted on 03/07/2011 9:41:47 AM PST by Emmett McCarthy
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To: jazusamo

He attempted to escape? Good heavens he’s never going to get out of that prison.


30 posted on 03/07/2011 9:44:03 AM PST by RikaStrom (Pray for Obama - Psalm 109:8 "Let his days be few; and let another take his place of leadership.")
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To: dennisw

Have you ever read any Peruvian newspapers? Watched Peruvian TV? There is plenty of drama and diversion without Joran. Like most other South American media, they feature gut-churning pictures of automobile accidents and other disasters on a daily basis. El Comerico is the only respectable one.


31 posted on 03/07/2011 9:46:44 AM PST by La Lydia
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To: RikaStrom

Yep, here’s the FR theread from about a month ago:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2670119/posts


32 posted on 03/07/2011 9:49:42 AM PST by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: KansasGirl
Thirty years is enough. There are a lot of things that can happen to Mr. Van der Sloot while he's in prison for murder. I wouldn't give him more than a year in the general prison population. Right now, Van der Sloot is in solitary confinement and away from the other prisoners. If you put him in with them, he's not got a prayer.
33 posted on 03/07/2011 10:23:49 AM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: Psalm 144

“Van der Sloot is toast, and daddy can’t protect him over there.”

Daddy died a year or so ago.


34 posted on 03/07/2011 10:26:33 AM PST by miele man
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To: Farmer Dean

“Some lawyer has to do it or there wouldn’t be a trial.”

If there were no defense lawyers we’d have a police state.

I love the police but absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I am glad we have defense lawyers.


35 posted on 03/07/2011 10:50:38 AM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: La Lydia

So he did do it didn’t he.

Crime of passion?

How about a death penalty with passion then.


36 posted on 03/07/2011 10:58:11 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Here's the proof of Obama's U. S. citizenship: " " Good enough for our 3 branches...)
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To: wideawake

Does Peru have the death penalty?


37 posted on 03/07/2011 11:19:15 AM PST by rawhide
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To: Psalm 144

Daddy is dead. He died in Feb of 2010.


38 posted on 03/07/2011 11:30:16 AM PST by kalee (The offences we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we engrave in marble. J Huett 1658)
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To: Psalm 144
I had heard that his father had advised him in the Holloway case, without a body they have no case. There were two trains of speculation going on: 1.She was weighed and dumped in the ocean miles off shore. 2. She was sold into White slavery.

At any rate she is dead by now, bercause, probably 6 months is the longest she would have lasted in a South American whorehouse before being eaten up with veneral disease. As far as the Peruivan girl goes, it was said that she was beaten so badly, that she was not recognizable.

My personal opinion is, nothing bad can happen to him. Whatever he has done to him will not be enough.

39 posted on 03/07/2011 12:33:37 PM PST by sport
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To: La Lydia

The Peruvians hunger for more tabloid drama.....besides there might be a lull in gruesome automobile accidents but they’ll still have Van der Sloot


40 posted on 03/07/2011 12:53:39 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: dennisw

During the lulls in gruesome automobile accidents, they dig up ancient Incan mummies and display the artifacts. They also have earthquakes. He is entertaining, but they really don’t need him.


41 posted on 03/07/2011 12:56:47 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

they dig up ancient Incan mummies and display the artifacts>>>>>

How tall are those mummies? Five feet tall? I’m just guessing


42 posted on 03/07/2011 12:59:22 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: La Lydia

This guy is a psycho serial killer. He needs to be kept in Peru permanently. A good place for him.


43 posted on 03/07/2011 1:01:14 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dennisw

I don’t remember. They aren’t very big. Johan Reinhard has written a book about finding one of them.


44 posted on 03/07/2011 2:06:07 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: dennisw

I looked in a book I have. One find was a Moche ruler, the Lord of Sipan, and they have extrapolated from his bones that he was 5’ feet, 5” inches tall. That would be a mature, well nourished person, so he was probably taller than average.


45 posted on 03/07/2011 2:14:15 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: rawhide

Only for treason, terrorism, war crimes and desertion.


46 posted on 03/07/2011 2:57:50 PM PST by wideawake
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To: La Lydia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_of_Sip%C3%A1n

Thanks much. I was unaware of recent discoveries of Inca mummies. I know more about the Aztecs and Mayans. I know about the Nazca lines and saw the Tony Bourdain episode in Peru


47 posted on 03/07/2011 3:53:40 PM PST by dennisw ( The early bird catches the worm)
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To: La Lydia; All

Read the comments below this article. Isn’t this one the truth?

“There is an innocent woman alive right now who will die in 20 months when he is out.”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_peru_van_der_sloot


48 posted on 03/07/2011 4:24:17 PM PST by toldyou (Even if the voices aren't real they have some pretty good ideas.)
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To: dennisw

The Lord of Sipan was in the late 80s, I believe, and his civilization is Moche. I find them just as interesting, if not more so, than the Incas. This is a great book (although a little old, there are more recent books about this Moche, but this one reads like a novel.)
http://www.amazon.com/Lords-Sipan-Pre-Inca-Tombs-Archaeology/dp/080502817X/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1299543757&sr=1-6


49 posted on 03/07/2011 4:30:01 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: toldyou

Definitely the truth. Someone’s daughter. Someone’s sister. Someone’s friend. To be sacrificed to the cowardice and politically correctness of our criminal justice systems, including that of Aruba, the US and of Peru. That girl in Peru would be alive today if the Dutch-Aruban authorities had done their damn job.


50 posted on 03/07/2011 4:47:50 PM PST by La Lydia
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