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Gang Rape Story Lacked Balance (says NYT public editor)
New York Times ^ | March 11, 2011 | ARTHUR S. BRISBANE

Posted on 03/12/2011 3:22:24 AM PST by reaganaut1

The story quickly climbed The Times’s “most emailed” list but not just because of the sensational facts of the crime involved. “Vicious Assault Shakes Texas Town,” published on Tuesday, reported the gang rape by 18 boys and men of an 11-year-old girl in the East Texas town of Cleveland.

The viral distribution of the story was, at least in part, because of the intense outrage it inspired among readers who thought the piece pilloried the victim.

My assessment is that the outrage is understandable. The story dealt with a hideous crime but addressed concerns about the ruined lives of the perpetrators without acknowledging the obvious: concern for the victim.

While the story appeared to focus on the community’s reaction to the crime, it was not enough to simply report that the community is principally concerned about the boys and men involved – as this story seems to do. If indeed that is the only sentiment to be found in this community – and I find that very hard to believe – it becomes important to report on that as well by seeking out voices of professional authorities or dissenting community members who will at least address, and not ignore, the plight of the young girl involved.

Let’s consider the particulars:

The story by James C. McKinley Jr. reported that residents of the town noted the girl dressed “older than her age,” wore makeup and fashions “more appropriate to a woman in her 20s” and hung out with older boys at the playground.

The story also quoted one resident, saying, “Where was her mother? What was her mother thinking?”

Referring to some of the defendants in the case, the same resident was quoted saying, “These boys have to live with this the rest of their lives.”

(Excerpt) Read more at publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: clevelandtexas; nyt; rape
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To: Salamander
At least they’ll live.

Don't bet on that. Many Hispanics in Texas are not really that fond of blacks who do stuff like this.

101 posted on 03/12/2011 5:47:46 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (TX and MI - When the going gets tough, the dims run and hide.)
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To: Dallas59

Pretty soon they’ll call for the 11 yo to be stoned to death for being rape. Full circle for evil.


102 posted on 03/12/2011 5:48:21 AM PST by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: Salamander

It really is a shame; God help them. They are no better off than the last whites leaving collapsing neighborhoods when Newark and other cities fell.


103 posted on 03/12/2011 5:52:17 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Walkingfeather
and fashions “more appropriate to a woman in her 20s”
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

As a grandmom trying to shop for my grand daughters, I testify that it is darn hard to find age appropriate clothing for little girls. I am reduced to sewing clothing for my grand daughters. How many women have the skill or time to do that?

And...Good point about the playground! The girl ( who is ELEVEN ) hangs out at a **PLAYGROUND** that is intended to be used by **children** who play.

The real question should be why are OLDER boys and MEN hanging out at a PLAYGROUND designed and built for CHILDREN!

104 posted on 03/12/2011 5:52:35 AM PST by wintertime
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To: reaganaut1
Don't forget:
Murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom

http://www.knoxnews.com/news/news/local/channon-christian-christopher-newsom-murders/

People like the Rev. Wright (yes, that one) lay down a foundation for violence and hate....it is a cultural thing, race is only the excuse for hating people different from you.

105 posted on 03/12/2011 5:53:08 AM PST by BilLies (r)
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To: John 3_19-21

Ping


106 posted on 03/12/2011 5:57:25 AM PST by wintertime
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To: bigredkitty1

Well put; the response up here to news blackout (pardon the pun) when it comes to perps is that they are assumed to black, and the segregation is widespread enough that they already stand out like sore thumbs. A similar thing happens with college campus crimes, and the stories are buried (along with their racial component) so that rich whites are comfortable sending their daughters and dollars to the schools. While leaving people unprotected by omitting such details is bad enough, to actually give out a number for tips while omitting them would be laughable if it didn’t involve such serious crimes.

People make their own deductions (based on these experiences), and their adjusted behavior is labeled racist. Oh well, better racist than raped/murdered/robbed.


107 posted on 03/12/2011 5:57:54 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: verga

Ping


108 posted on 03/12/2011 5:58:43 AM PST by wintertime
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To: FreedomPoster

You know FP, the NYT cares about the happenings in Texas like they care about a rat’s ass. Allison comes to mind. Ike comes to mind. When this state is hit hard you’d never know it. When they get a bit of snow in the NE or a mudslide in LA you’d think the world was coming to an end.

So when the NYT writes up a story about a crime in a little town outside of middle America, cow-town Houston, TX they are “not letting a “crisis” go to waste.”

The other day I was looking over stories in one of the Chicago papers and I went to a link that had all the mug shots of people booked into the local jails. It was darkly fascinating to click through the pictures. The number of murders and double and triple murders was instructive. I think the NYT should write something about the murder rate in Obama’s adoptive hometown.


109 posted on 03/12/2011 6:23:11 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kearnyirish2
“Serpentine Shel, Serpentine Shel”

Chief Moose

110 posted on 03/12/2011 6:44:03 AM PST by gusty
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I’ve glanced at several feminist websites...they have been on this issue since the article from the NYTimes came out and have been nothing less than outraged.


111 posted on 03/12/2011 7:05:58 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: reaganaut1

Does McKinley Jr. have a sister or a mother......?


112 posted on 03/12/2011 7:08:28 AM PST by gitmogrunt
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To: coop71

who are they mad at and why...?


113 posted on 03/12/2011 7:08:38 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

They’re mad at the accused rapists, the townspeople who are questioning the circumstances surrounding the attack and the victim, and they are mad at the NYTimes article.


114 posted on 03/12/2011 7:11:00 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: reaganaut1

I’d say that I hope the staff of the NY Times gets raped that way, but they probably pay extra for that service.


115 posted on 03/12/2011 7:11:10 AM PST by Republic of Texas (Socialism Always Fails)
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To: wintertime
The real question should be why are OLDER boys and MEN hanging out at a PLAYGROUND designed and built for CHILDREN!

If the site is dedicated to that. Or does it border on high schools?

116 posted on 03/12/2011 7:11:10 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: coop71

huh, i guess even a stopped clock is right twice a day


117 posted on 03/12/2011 7:11:56 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: PapaBear3625
If Islam continues to infiltrate the Black American populstion or even influence them much more the idea of good race relations will go down the tube.

I'm not sure but I doubt that Islam was the ancestral religion of most slave descended Black Americans, but it's being sold to them as such.

118 posted on 03/12/2011 7:12:35 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SatinDoll

“... newspapers aren’t writing news articles in the straightforward, objective..”

I agree. It use to be: who, what , where, when , why and how. No opinion, no swaying the reader with what YOU think or some guy on the corner thinks. The reader was informed of the facts and they decided what they thought. Many newspapers have become like the general media/news and feel that they have to tell you what to think.


119 posted on 03/12/2011 7:14:41 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Salamander
Actually, it is not. To receive the death penalty in Texas, the victim must actually die. Rape is not a capital offense by itself.

Louisiana did have the death penalty for child rapist, but the US Supreme Court found this a violation of the 8th amendment. As it stands right now, in no State in the Union can you be executed for the crime of rape, regardless of the victims age. If the victim dies in the course of the rape, then you can be charged with felony murder in most if not all jurisdictions, but rape alone will not get you the death penalty.

Texas is awesome but this is one area where we fall short.

120 posted on 03/12/2011 7:17:11 AM PST by dpa5923 (Small minds talk about people, normal minds talk about events, great minds talk about ideas.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I guess. I wasn’t at all surprised that they’d be outraged about this. “Feminism” and issues relating to women and girls aren’t really represented and presented by N.O.W. That organization is a failure and a dinosaur, for the most part.


121 posted on 03/12/2011 7:17:19 AM PST by coop71 (Being a redhead means never having to say you're sorry...)
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To: Altura Ct.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/10/new-york-times-cant-figure-out-fort-hood-jihadists-motive.html

I think this is the same genius who wrote the story on Ft Hood saying how we can’t figure out a motive.


122 posted on 03/12/2011 7:34:34 AM PST by freefdny
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To: dpa5923

Well.

That sure was a buzz kill....:-|

On the upside, I’m sure they’ll meet many friendly Hispanics in prison.

Heck, they might even throw those maggots a party one night when nobody’s looking.

[’cause sometimes, the guards “get distracted”, ya know?]


123 posted on 03/12/2011 7:47:06 AM PST by Salamander (I may be lonely but I'm never alone...and the nights may pass me by......but I never cry.)
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To: verga; golux; onevoter; John 3_19-21
The schools have them for 6 hours a day, 9 months a year for up to 13 years. Yeah blame them rather than the parents that actually gave birth to the little felons.

So?...Let's examine two points:

1) Just how much time do parents have to undo the GODLESS indoctrination in secular humanism that children receive in the government temples ( oops! "schools")?

Even teens need 9 to 10 hours of sleep. The youngest children need 11 to 12 hours.

Add to that 1 to 2 or more hours just traveling to and from school on the prison bus ( oops! "school bus") in which they will be in the company of other children who have been indoctrinated to think godlessly.

When they return home from their godless school they will need 1 or 2 for large muscle exercise and play ( again often in the company of children schooled in the godless schools).

There is homework using materials written by secular humanists who push a godless worldview. That is another 1 to 2 hours or more.

If adults, after their busy day would enjoy an hour or two to chat with friends through the Internet, phone, or texting, or zone out watching TV then children would too! ( Children though will most likely be socializing with friends who have also been indoctrinated to think and reason godlessly in their godless government temples ( oops! "schools") of secular worship.

Oh!...And forget any meaningful bonding time with the parent during the hectic morning rush to get the kids ready for school.

Now throw in a few afterschool activities: theater ( Vagina Monologues anyone? ), dance, music lessons, sports..etc..often in the company of other godlessly indoctrinated kids.

So?...Where is this wonderful bonding time that parents have to undo the government proselytizing of children in godless secular worship? Hm?

2) And....Why should parents be forced to undo the damage of the government proselytizing of their children in the government religion of godless secular humanism? Why should the taxpayer be forced to pay for the ESTABLISHMENT of the government religion of godless secular humanist worship?

The religious bias found in government schooling can NOT be fixed! IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE A RELIGIOUSLY NEUTRAL EDUCATION!

A school can either be godless or God-centered in its worldview. Neither is religiously neutral in content or consequences for the child or the nation.

There is only one possible solution: We must start the process of completely privatizing universal K-12 education. Conservatives MUST MUST MUST work to see that every child in the nation has access to a conservative PRIVATE education that thoroughly upholds the child's specific Judeo Christian beliefs and our nation's founding principles.

And..Yeah!...I am shouting, jumping up and down, and having a fit. Unless the government temples of godless secular worship are shut down our nation is doomed. I seriously believe this.

(golux;onevoter;John 3_19-21 ...as a courtesy since they responded to your post.)

124 posted on 03/12/2011 7:51:26 AM PST by wintertime
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To: reaganaut1
...the girl dressed “older than her age,” wore makeup and fashions “more appropriate to a woman in her 20s” and hung out with older boys at the playground.

Sounds like Maureen Dowd.

125 posted on 03/12/2011 7:53:48 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: reaganaut1

NY Times Story About Gang Rape Story Lacking Balance Lacks Balance (says Texas Eagle).


126 posted on 03/12/2011 7:55:18 AM PST by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: gusty

: )

Crazy, wasn’t it?


127 posted on 03/12/2011 8:03:44 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: onevoter

“somehow, the schools are to blame... my children don’t rape”

Agreed! Parents have to be held to a higher form of responsibility. NOT ALL public school kids are sociopaths like these boys/men. I have a high school boy who doesn’t drink alcohol/do drugs, volunteers at a nursing home, says prayers before meals (yes, at school), doesn’t hurt people etc... In fact, he got in trouble by the school recently for stepping up to a bully who was picking on a small freshman boy. Granted, he could have said something better than, “If you want to push someone around, try it on someone who isn’t 5 feet tall” but you get the point. Meanwhile, the neighborhood boy who goes to a Catholic high school was arrested last month for destroying over 60 mailboxes in our neighborhood. It goes back to the parents... plain and simple. IMHO


128 posted on 03/12/2011 8:06:17 AM PST by momtothree
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I don’t think the sources of slaves at the time had much exposure to Islam (though they do now); the slaves certainly didn’t mind eating pork, and spoke no language related to Arabic (and the Koran can’t be translated). Also, the actual taking of slaves from Africa ended long before slavery was outlawed.

Malcolm X actually lost some of his racist zeal when he went to Mecca; until then he never realized there were white Muslims (he met them from Turkey, Bosnia, Albania, etc.), and they didn’t give him the Jim Crow treatment. After he returned he knew blacks were the source of many of their own problems, and told them so.


129 posted on 03/12/2011 8:20:15 AM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: John 3_19-21
When decency and morals were shunned by society including educators in the 60’s, 70's & 80's and replaced with self esteem and self empowerment, we bred and trained a nation of selfish children, parents and now even grandparents.

Think of it as a maturing furuncle. The secular inflammation had been festering since at least my grandmother and Hemingway's day. The abscess merely burst in the late 60s and 70s.

The earliest modern government schools ( mid-1800s to early 1900s) offered up a Protestantism that was sufficiently generic and lukewarm that a majority of voters could tolerate it. While the majority of citizens may have swallowed it, we know what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!

The problem **is** having government schools. The problems started the very first day a modern government school opened.

This week my husband and I watched the movie "In Love and War" about the war years of Ernest Hemingway. It prompted me to think about his books. He was the contemporary of my grandmother. Hemingway was born 1899 and my grandmother in 1894.

My grandmother and father ( born 1913) attended secular government schools. There was a **HUGE** difference between their government educations and that of my Catholic mother and me.

Think about the themes in Hemingway's novels and those of the "Lost Generation" regarding marriage and sexuality. Would Mark Twain or Charles Dickens have written this way? That Hemingway and others of his generation choose to write in this manner reflects their godlessly secular education. The little sprinkle of prayer or scripture in the morning their schools may have offered up, was like aiming a water pistol at raging godless forest fire.

If children attend schools that teach them to think and reason godlessly, they WILL learn to think and reason godlessly. In the very best of circumstances, with strong parents in the home, they might learn to compartmentalize their faith.

130 posted on 03/12/2011 8:24:22 AM PST by wintertime
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To: HiTech RedNeck

please read my posts #124 and #130.


131 posted on 03/12/2011 8:26:34 AM PST by wintertime
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To: Hardraade

Probably six, if you line em just right. Ya gotta keep in mind that these are hard times now and we need to conserve. Plus this would placate the environmentalists since lead is a pollutant.


132 posted on 03/12/2011 9:12:27 AM PST by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: momtothree
If children attend government schools that are godless, while they are in the school, they MUST learn to think and reason godlessly. They MUST simply to complete the given assignments and participate in the class.

In the best of circumstances they will learn to compartmentalize their faith.

Government schools that are godless in their worldview **WILL** have serious consequences for our nation, even if some individual children and their parents are able to overcome the proselytizing.

So?...Why on earth should parents be under police and court action threat to send their children to godless government schools?

Why should any child by proselytizing by the government into the godless religion of secular humanism?

Why should taxpayers be forced to support the establishment of the godless religion of government secular humanism?

There is a solution: Begin the process of privatizing all government education on every level.

133 posted on 03/12/2011 9:15:05 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

“Begin the process of privatizing all government education...”

I don’t have a problem with that. However, parents have more authority/power over how their kids turn out than they think. Believe me, some of the stuff that my kids come home and tell me can make one crazy. However, they know it is bunk and laugh at it. “In the best of circumstances they will learn to compartmentalize their faith”. Not necessarily. Faith and religion comes directly from the parents and their church. My kids wear crucifixes daily, pray before lunch at school and are good Christians. There is even a bible study at the local public high school. I know... that confused me but it is well attended by Christians of the school.


134 posted on 03/12/2011 9:25:52 AM PST by momtothree
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To: momtothree
Believe me, some of the stuff that my kids come home and tell me can make one crazy.

why should any parent be forced to use these abominations misnamed "schools". Why should the taxpayer be forced to pay for it. They never were, and never can be religiously neutral.

However, they know it is bunk and laugh at it. “In the best of circumstances they will learn to compartmentalize their faith”. Not necessarily.

Yes, there are children who can and do overcome the godless indoctrination. But...While they are in the government schools they will learn to think and reason godlessly. They have to merely to participate in the class and complete assignments.

135 posted on 03/12/2011 9:32:37 AM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime

“They have to merely to participate in the class and complete assignments”.

Okay, I have had some issues there. However, the grade wasn’t affected. My son has an honors English teacher who said that Hitler wasn’t anti-Jewish, he was simply a politician. Hitler didn’t “really hate Jews”. My son stood up and said that it was the most offensive statement he ever heard. He further stated that “you can’t kill 6 million Jews and have it said that you don’t HATE Jews”. So, yes, many public school teachers are nut jobs. They can “dislike” a student for not agreeing with them. Currently, we have one science teacher who is a vegan/PETA person. She hates the students who eat meat or wear leather.


136 posted on 03/12/2011 9:38:54 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That last will happen at about the same time as subzero temperatures in Hades.


137 posted on 03/12/2011 10:39:36 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: kearnyirish2

No one should be called racist for pointing out the glaringly obvious. Sadly, that is what happens when race-baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are the ones setting the parameters of what passes for honest dialogue on race in this country. The only things they want to hear is that blacks are the victims and whites are the villans.


138 posted on 03/12/2011 11:00:03 AM PST by bigredkitty1 (March 5,2010. Rest in peace, sweet boy. I will miss you, Big Red.)
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To: wintertime; verga; onevoter; John 3_19-21

Wintertime, I happen to be Jewish (schooled in Catholic and Anglican schools, but consciously, worshipfully Jewish), but I’d be very, very proud to build a neighborhood with you and raise my kids alongside yours.


139 posted on 03/12/2011 11:22:13 AM PST by golux
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To: golux

Thank you very very much.


140 posted on 03/12/2011 12:10:14 PM PST by wintertime
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To: onevoter
Thank you for your comment, I am hated by a number of these “Home-schoolers” because I am a common sense conservative that also happens to be a public school teacher. I have offered a number of them a list of my students that they should take and demonstrate just how well their methods work. Not a one of them has taken the offer.
141 posted on 03/12/2011 1:03:51 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: Hardraade

Those are just the ones they’ve caught. They think there are a lot more.


142 posted on 03/12/2011 1:06:54 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: wintertime
How many times have I offered to let you take some of my students to show how well your theories work? 7-10-50, and not once have you agreed to take up my offer.

I even have one that will be a piece of cake for you. He is in our school because Mommy and Daddy gave up after home schooling him for 8 years he is "supposed" to be a sophomore according to his Homeschool records, but he barely reads at the eigth grade level. Of course this might explain why he had to be banned from the middle school because he was "dating" and eighth grade girl. Maybe she was tutoring him. In two years time he has only earned 4 Carnegie credits. did I mention that he tips the scale at 300 pounds. Yeah your theories work real well.

BTW i am getting my Administrative certificate so i can continue to change it from the inside. No need thank me.

143 posted on 03/12/2011 1:24:36 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: wintertime
How many times have I offered to let you take some of my students to show how well your theories work? 7-10-50, and not once have you agreed to take up my offer.

I even have one that will be a piece of cake for you. He is in our school because Mommy and Daddy gave up after home schooling him for 8 years he is "supposed" to be a sophomore according to his Homeschool records, but he barely reads at the eigth grade level. Of course this might explain why he had to be banned from the middle school because he was "dating" and eighth grade girl. Maybe she was tutoring him. In two years time he has only earned 4 Carnegie credits. did I mention that he tips the scale at 300 pounds. Yeah your theories work real well.

BTW I am getting my Administrative certificate so I can continue to change it from the inside. No need thank me.

144 posted on 03/12/2011 1:25:06 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: golux; wintertime

golux you might want to find out more about her personal history before you say things like that. I’m just saying......


145 posted on 03/12/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: onevoter

To that, I’ll add that the government has parents scared to use ANY physical discipline for fear of losing their children.


146 posted on 03/12/2011 1:44:19 PM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
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To: verga
If you are a “professional” educator, your professors should have taught you that it is impossible to do a double blind study on one child. In fact, ethically, it is nearly impossible to construct double blind studies in education for groups of children.

So...Your example of the 300 lb homeschooled boy who reads at the 8th grade level is merely an anecdotal example.

Were you aware that only 32% of the nation's **government** schooled children can read proficiently in the 8th grade? What should we do with the 68% who can't read? Should we force them to homeschool?

Also...Since a double blind study on your student is impossible, it is completely possible that if he attended school he may have weighed 400 or 500 lbs. Since the opportunity for exercise and diet control would have been far less.

It is also possible that his reading level may have been lower if he attended school.

Now for an anecdotal reports of my own:

My husband and I tutor the Spanish speaking children of the Spanish speaking members of our church in our county. We also run the cub scout troop for the Spanish speaking congregation.

I work weekly with children who can NOT read at all! They can not look at the number, 512, and tell me what it is. They can not add, subtract, multiply, or divide. They have absolutely no idea what a denominator represents. In other words they are innumerate and illiterate. ( These are children who are **born** in the U.S., have attended head start, and speak English **VERY WELL**!)

If these kids, that my husband and I work with weekly, are learning **anything** at all it is because dedicated members of our church are putting in tons of hours of AFTERSCHOOLING!

147 posted on 03/12/2011 2:15:32 PM PST by wintertime
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To: wintertime
Oh sweety I see you still are ignoring my offer, You have a chance to prove your “theories” and and you won't take it.
You know D@mn well that Public schools do work for the majority for the population and you are just afraid to admit that it is the parents that did a crappy job of raising these kids that raped that girl. It had nothing to do with the school system. And while you are at it you might as well admit that homeschooling was not 100% effective for you.
148 posted on 03/12/2011 2:24:08 PM PST by verga (I am not an apologist, I just play one on Television)
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To: verga
you are just afraid to admit that it is the parents that did a crappy job of raising these kids that raped that girl. It had nothing to do with the school system.

If children attend schools that are godless in their worldview they **WILL** learn to think and reason godlessly. They **must** simply to get along, participate in the program, and do the assignments.

Having generation after generation of Americans subjected to government godless indoctrination, is, ( in my opinion) a large contributing factor in the moral degeneration that we see all around us. This incident involving the rape of this poor girl is merely one more drop of pee floating in the sewer.

You know D@mn well that Public schools do work for the majority for the population

Well...The U.S. government disagrees with you. Please do a Google on the words: "32% eighth graders". You will see that only 32% of the nation's eighth graders read at a proficient level. Here is a link:

"US 'report card' on reading: 8th-graders gain, 4th-graders don't "

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Education/2010/0324/US-report-card-on-reading-8th-graders-gain-4th-graders-don-t

Unfortunately it is unknown if some, or **all**, of the success of those children who can read is due entirely to the efforts of their parents and tutors IN THE HOME. ( My guess is that if a child can read it has everything to do with the work the parents and tutors are doing.)

And...I bet the government's idea of "proficient" isn't the standard of proficient that I used for my homeschoolers! I'd bet my entire 401K on that!

Oh sweety I see you still are ignoring my offer,

I am already taking up your offer with my own county's government institutionalized children. Members of our congregation and I are putting in **tons** of hours **AFTERSCHOOLING** our county's government institutionalized children. If they know anything at all it is because we have taught them and their parents have supported our efforts. Any success that they are having is **NOT** in any way related to the government institutional schools.

And while you are at it you might as well admit that homeschooling was not 100% effective for you.

I was not homeschooled. I was after-schooled by my parents and myself. Nearly all learning I have acquired occurred outside of an institutional setting ( except for laboratories). This is true even on the undergraduate and graduate school levels.

Are you referring to my children? If so, I consider the following to be 100% effective:

My three homeschooled children entered college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all general college requirements and Calculus III by the age of 15.

The two younger children finished B.S. degrees in mathematics at the age of 18. The oldest of these two earned a masters in math at the age of 20. She taught math in a private school but is now happily married to a wonderful man and is the full-time mother of two adorable children. The youngest is now finishing the requirements to enter a nursing program.

The oldest took a somewhat different approach to his education. He studied accounting part-time at night and trained full-time in a sport. He has competed on the highest national and international levels. He also choose to take off from his sport for a few years to work with our church in Eastern Europe. As a result he is completely fluent in Russian. In fact, he speaks so well that native Russians think he **is** Russian! In his early twenties he took up his sport again and trained full-time while completing an accounting degree at night. He now is in a masters degree program in accounting and will soon finish. He is married to a beautiful young lady.

All of my children, and their spouses and children, are very active in our church and fully committed to the gospel. My homeschooled children are accomplished ball room dancers, play instruments, (one is a pianist for her congregation) and sing in the choir.

149 posted on 03/12/2011 3:41:27 PM PST by wintertime
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

Good ‘catch’.


150 posted on 03/12/2011 3:47:39 PM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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