Skip to comments.Breaking:EU's Energy Commissioner: The Situation at Japanese reactor is "effectively out of control"
Posted on 03/16/2011 8:39:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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Is he in Japan ore just running his ignorant mouth?
Does anyone know what happens if all 3 troubled reactors go into complete meltdown?
Amen. Don’t assume, and when you are just an observer, don’t act to the psychological stresses of those actually dealing with the problem. Gunther’s statement is itself deadly. Words, too, in the wrong place at the wrong time can be radioactive. Gunther is committing murder with these words.
Fear and panic cause death.
Trouble is that for those of us not intimately involved, there are few facts.
But what we do have is not promising.
has shep fled the country yet?
They don't even hear the phone ringing. Messages will be deleted without being played.
We'd probably be better off if there were no one there at all.
we have much to do in that respect right here.
snip:This is mainly the B team in here posting today.
I guess by "other people", you meant you.
Then stop speaking with authority about it, Gunther.
As for me, I have a science degree from a leading US university so Im quite familiar with the basic chemistry and physics of nuclear reactors. I know what it means when the utility company pulls all its employees out of the power plant because the radiation levels are so high. That means theyre losing this battle, and badly.
And what does it mean when they go back in and go back to work? Or did you not catch that?
You have a very disparaging attitude towards other posters on this site.
Only when they are pushing panic.
My advice to you is to not underestimate other people who post on this site. They may not know everything about this situation, but they know more than you think.
You know only what the media has told you, and they have an agenda.
They are likely going to have to try a suicide mission. Very sad!
That’s it? That’s all he has, and he makes an inflammatory statement like that!? Just damn.
Someone needs to slap this idiot attention whore silly and tell him to sit down and shut up.
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The fire bombings also killed more than the nuke bombs.
And don’t even start about the targeting of civilians (which the Allies did) on both fronts.
THAT won't take long. He could have played the 'Yellow makes me sad' character in the GEICO commercial without a moment's study.
To my knowledge, the world has never experienced a complete run away meltdown.
Correct me if I’m wrong.
Just what does happen once folks cannot get close enough to cool down the core?
The problem is that the media appears to be using the word "containment" to describe the reactor vessel itself, not the containment vessel that is designed to hold in even a full meltdown. This leads to conflicting reports.
That said, I wouldn't bet my house on those containment vessels being 100% intact. They are some of the toughest things humans build, but not only was this earthquake close to 16 times what the builders anticipated as the worst case, according to wikipedia a 9.0 is more than twice as powerful than the Krakatoa eruption. Good grief!
I want to get this right. I understand that the Potassium Iodide tablets are used to saturate the thyroid with Iodine to prevent it from taking up radioactive iodine which may or may not materialize in any particular geographical area.
Is KI the only type of Iodine suitable for this purpose? I understand it has potential serious side effects. I have a bottle of Iodine Gluconate, a dietary mineral supplement produced by Oligocan. Recommended dose is one teaspoon/day (ordinary circumstances).
Will this substance work as well as KI? It seems to be a much safer alternative should anyone need to take prophylactic precautions.
How much to take?
I thought I heard on NHK that they have 150 people on-site now.
“I dont think I have ever heard so many ‘experts’ with different opinions.”
Most likely, scientists (qua scientists) and engineers are on one side, with politicians, “activists,” and journalists opposite. I’ll let you guess which is which.
Therefore it is better than yesterday, when the commissioner said that it was apocalypse.
Anyone who has seen pictures of an exploded gun barrel or receiver that resulted from an accident involving a charge of half-a-teaspoon of smokeless powder - might have doubts about who ultimately wins the battle of pressure versus steel.
In the coming hours there could be further catastrophic events, which could pose a threat to the lives of people on the island
Just that little island? You’re letting a crisis go to waste, sir. It should threaten the lives of people everywhere. Iodine pills for the globe! I don’t care if you’re high in the Rocky Mountains, at an Antartic reasearch site, 20,000 leagues under the sea, or in the international space station. You might die!
“what in the hell would some EU Bureaucratic Pope know about it?”
From what I’ve read France supplied the MOX fuel for reactor 3. They also use MOX fuel in some of their reactors. EU officials should therefore be well aware of the long term liabilities from a loss of containment and burning fuel rods which contain 9% plutonium.
There’s also substantial plutonium in the spent rods which are catching fire repeatedly. The burning of fuel rods vaporizes plutonium which is going out to sea on the wind making containment and cleanup impossible.
Half life of plutonium isotopes range from 88 - 370,000 years so yes, just about everyone has cause for criticism of the cooling and containment efforts.
Japan has asked the US military repeatedly for assistance in what is clearly a potential global threat (ocean circulation of released plutonium). The EU official is saying “you’ve screwed up, stop the coverup and do more.”
And what has the US response been on this?
Understood, but are we sure Fukushima is on eof the reactors using MOX?
That would only be bad to the Enemy and his minions.
Reactor 3 MOX..Yes.
“The power plant should never have been built so close to the coast”
Everything is close to the coast in Japan.
How sad, that the plants have stood up to one of the worst ‘quakes, and no one has anything good to say about it. Just nitpicks.
The muslim takeover of western europe is out of control too.
There’s a satalite photo, close up, on the net...shows actual destruction of all. Can’t recall where I saw...probably on FR somewhere.
I’m guilty of focusing on “out of control”; and then I reread the first part of the title—what a waste of time. Guess the EU guy wanted to his name in the media.
“(Reuters) - Europes energy chief warned on Wednesday of a further catastrophe at Japans nuclear site in the coming hours but his spokeswoman said he had no specific or privileged information on the situation.”
This is a highly irresponsible announcement from a government official.
I think that’s right but don’t think they’ve gone in. Not sure tho. Mostly relying on twitter news updates. Very busy day for me.
“It certainly should be”
No, it shouldn’t. Though it’s a grave mistake to view the federal government as responsible for first response, there is something to the idea that the president is more or less responsible for disasters that happen in his own country. Not so for foreign disasters. They can blah, blah, blah and send money, troops, and other forms of help. But it strains credulity to blame them for anything that happened the way they blame Bush for everything that happened.
Again, not that they were correct to do so with Bush. But they were more correct.
Get a grip.
“I know what it means when the utility company pulls all its employees out of the power plant because the radiation levels are so high. That means theyre losing this battle, and badly.”
You sound like a braindead, fearmongering journalist. Employees are pulled out, so something must be wrong. The PM’s press releases are getting more ominous, so something must be wrong. People are being warned to stay inside, so something must be wrong. Iodine pills are being circulated, so something must be wrong.
Well, DUH! Pulling employees out may have tipped you off, but I, and the rest of the world, already knew things were “effectively out of control” after the huge freakin’ earthquake, the huge freakin’ tsunami, and the huge freakin’ explosions. If you know anything more than what those tell you, I’m all ears. If that’s all there is too it, shut up. Things have been “out of control” since the beginning. Stop implying it’s now or soon to be more out of control than it is.
The rods burn their way through the core of the earth and come up through the floor of the WH.
It’s 3AM and guess who is calling?
HILLARY CLINTON - this is a foreign issue, so our secretary of state is on duty...
“Just what does happen once folks cannot get close enough to cool down the core?”
It sits in the container designed to contain it. Which, presumably, is exactly what’s happening. At least, there’s no evidence to suggest it isn’t. And absent that, I have to seriously question what it is we’re panicking about.
There’re always “What if?” scenarios. But I’d say the worst possible what if (earthquake, tsunami) has already happened, and not everything went according to plan, but the important part did.
“Its 3 AM.”
And Barry Soetoro is working on his March Madness NCAA picks. No time to answer the phone.
Honestly, that would be anyone’s guess. You, me, some “expert”...wouldn’t matter we’d all be equals in making the educated guess...
“Apocalypse may take some time. You want Apocalypse now?”
You want Apocalypse now? YOU CAN’T HANDLE APOCALYPSE NOW!
“To my knowledge, the world has never experienced a complete run away meltdown”
Your phraseology suggests a meltdown could somehow turn into an uncontrolled chain reaction, implying the core could be a nuclear bomb. Which is impossible. The worst it could be is something like a dirty bomb, what with the conventional explosions. But, really, people are worried about the fact that after whatever happens, there will be a hunk of radioactivity sitting in there, and if it gets out, it will be bad.
All I have to say is that we have no reason to believe it will get out. That is, in anything like deadly doses. If it does get out, we need to join the anti-nuke crowd, chant kumbaya, and pray to the Sun and Wind gods to supplement our energy needs. I doubt it will.
It sits in the container designed to contain it. Which, presumably, is exactly whats happening. At least, theres no evidence to suggest it isnt. And absent that, I have to seriously question what it is were panicking about.
“Neal Boortz said yesterday that those reactors were hit by a quake 7 times greater than they were designed to stand.”
And yet they stood. Such a shame that all anybody can say about them is that the might possibly, maybe, kinda, sorta, eventually fail in some unmentionable way.