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Breaking:EU's Energy Commissioner: The Situation at Japanese reactor is "effectively out of control"
Reuters ^ | 11-16-01 | Reuters

Posted on 03/16/2011 8:39:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf

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KEYWORDS: earthquake; eu; fukushima; gntheroettinger; japan; japanearthquake; japaneathquake; japannuclearplants; japanreactors; moron; oettinger; radiation; reactor; rooters; teotwawki; tsunami
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To: tcrlaf

Is he in Japan ore just running his ignorant mouth?


101 posted on 03/16/2011 9:45:32 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOX_fuel


102 posted on 03/16/2011 9:45:45 AM PDT by Justa
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To: All

Does anyone know what happens if all 3 troubled reactors go into complete meltdown?


103 posted on 03/16/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: Bean Counter

Amen. Don’t assume, and when you are just an observer, don’t act to the psychological stresses of those actually dealing with the problem. Gunther’s statement is itself deadly. Words, too, in the wrong place at the wrong time can be radioactive. Gunther is committing murder with these words.

Fear and panic cause death.


104 posted on 03/16/2011 9:46:37 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Bean Counter
Ah, the engineer's motto.

Trouble is that for those of us not intimately involved, there are few facts.

But what we do have is not promising.

105 posted on 03/16/2011 9:47:08 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: skeeter

has shep fled the country yet?


106 posted on 03/16/2011 9:47:09 AM PDT by tioga
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To: quesney
Everyone in the White House is stoned on Hopium.

They don't even hear the phone ringing. Messages will be deleted without being played.

We'd probably be better off if there were no one there at all.

107 posted on 03/16/2011 9:47:22 AM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: fabian

we have much to do in that respect right here.


108 posted on 03/16/2011 9:48:12 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: socialism_stinX
snip:You have a very disparaging attitude towards other posters on this site. My advice to you is to not underestimate other people who post on this site.

snip:This is mainly the B team in here posting today.

I guess by "other people", you meant you.

Amusing.

109 posted on 03/16/2011 9:50:36 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: socialism_stinX
I don’t know who exactly is on this man’s staff,

Then stop speaking with authority about it, Gunther.

As for me, I have a science degree from a leading US university so I’m quite familiar with the basic chemistry and physics of nuclear reactors. I know what it means when the utility company pulls all its employees out of the power plant because the radiation levels are so high. That means they’re losing this battle, and badly.

And what does it mean when they go back in and go back to work? Or did you not catch that?

You have a very disparaging attitude towards other posters on this site.

Only when they are pushing panic.

My advice to you is to not underestimate other people who post on this site. They may not know everything about this situation, but they know more than you think.

You know only what the media has told you, and they have an agenda.

110 posted on 03/16/2011 9:52:08 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: tcrlaf
The Fukushima 50 not afraid to die

They are likely going to have to try a suicide mission. Very sad!

111 posted on 03/16/2011 9:53:24 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: tcrlaf

That’s it? That’s all he has, and he makes an inflammatory statement like that!? Just damn.

Someone needs to slap this idiot attention whore silly and tell him to sit down and shut up.

Good sites for real info:

http://nei.cachefly.net/newsandevents/information-on-the-japanese-earthquake-and-reactors-in-that-region/

http://mitnse.com/


112 posted on 03/16/2011 9:53:24 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: moovova

Duct tape and plastic sheeting are highly recommended items
to have around for anyone everywhere (at least in sub
arctic areas...) You might check the duct tape. ISTR that
it sometimes dries out.


113 posted on 03/16/2011 9:53:30 AM PDT by cycjec
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To: Mr. Silverback

The fire bombings also killed more than the nuke bombs.

And don’t even start about the targeting of civilians (which the Allies did) on both fronts.


114 posted on 03/16/2011 9:53:35 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: skeeter
I’ll wait for Shep Smith to burst into tears before becoming concerned.

THAT won't take long. He could have played the 'Yellow makes me sad' character in the GEICO commercial without a moment's study.

115 posted on 03/16/2011 9:54:26 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: socialism_stinX
Well, how do you evac Tokyo?
116 posted on 03/16/2011 9:54:35 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: silentknight

To my knowledge, the world has never experienced a complete run away meltdown.

Correct me if I’m wrong.

Just what does happen once folks cannot get close enough to cool down the core?


117 posted on 03/16/2011 9:56:39 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: swain_forkbeard
and containment has been breached

The problem is that the media appears to be using the word "containment" to describe the reactor vessel itself, not the containment vessel that is designed to hold in even a full meltdown. This leads to conflicting reports.

That said, I wouldn't bet my house on those containment vessels being 100% intact. They are some of the toughest things humans build, but not only was this earthquake close to 16 times what the builders anticipated as the worst case, according to wikipedia a 9.0 is more than twice as powerful than the Krakatoa eruption. Good grief!

118 posted on 03/16/2011 10:00:23 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: tcrlaf

Important Questions.

I want to get this right. I understand that the Potassium Iodide tablets are used to saturate the thyroid with Iodine to prevent it from taking up radioactive iodine which may or may not materialize in any particular geographical area.

  1. Is KI the only type of Iodine suitable for this purpose? I understand it has potential serious side effects. I have a bottle of Iodine Gluconate, a dietary mineral supplement produced by Oligocan. Recommended dose is one teaspoon/day (ordinary circumstances).

  2. Will this substance work as well as KI? It seems to be a much safer alternative should anyone need to take prophylactic precautions.

  3. How much to take?


119 posted on 03/16/2011 10:00:44 AM PDT by granite (This is America! This is the home of the FREE!!)
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To: tutstar

I thought I heard on NHK that they have 150 people on-site now.


120 posted on 03/16/2011 10:02:34 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: silentknight

“I don’t think I have ever heard so many ‘experts’ with different opinions.”

Most likely, scientists (qua scientists) and engineers are on one side, with politicians, “activists,” and journalists opposite. I’ll let you guess which is which.


121 posted on 03/16/2011 10:04:13 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tcrlaf

Therefore it is better than yesterday, when the commissioner said that it was apocalypse.


122 posted on 03/16/2011 10:05:05 AM PDT by J Aguilar (Fiat Justitia et ruat coelum)
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To: Mr. Silverback
That said, I wouldn't bet my house on those containment vessels being 100% intact.

Anyone who has seen pictures of an exploded gun barrel or receiver that resulted from an accident involving a charge of half-a-teaspoon of smokeless powder - might have doubts about who ultimately wins the battle of pressure versus steel.

123 posted on 03/16/2011 10:06:28 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: tcrlaf

“In the coming hours there could be further catastrophic events, which could pose a threat to the lives of people on the island”

Just that little island? You’re letting a crisis go to waste, sir. It should threaten the lives of people everywhere. Iodine pills for the globe! I don’t care if you’re high in the Rocky Mountains, at an Antartic reasearch site, 20,000 leagues under the sea, or in the international space station. You might die!


124 posted on 03/16/2011 10:07:34 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: sam_paine

“what in the hell would some EU Bureaucratic Pope know about it?”

From what I’ve read France supplied the MOX fuel for reactor 3. They also use MOX fuel in some of their reactors. EU officials should therefore be well aware of the long term liabilities from a loss of containment and burning fuel rods which contain 9% plutonium.

There’s also substantial plutonium in the spent rods which are catching fire repeatedly. The burning of fuel rods vaporizes plutonium which is going out to sea on the wind making containment and cleanup impossible.

Half life of plutonium isotopes range from 88 - 370,000 years so yes, just about everyone has cause for criticism of the cooling and containment efforts.

Japan has asked the US military repeatedly for assistance in what is clearly a potential global threat (ocean circulation of released plutonium). The EU official is saying “you’ve screwed up, stop the coverup and do more.”

And what has the US response been on this?


125 posted on 03/16/2011 10:08:46 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Justa

Understood, but are we sure Fukushima is on eof the reactors using MOX?


126 posted on 03/16/2011 10:09:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: J Aguilar
said that it was apocalypse.

That would only be bad to the Enemy and his minions.

127 posted on 03/16/2011 10:09:37 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: tcrlaf
I have no way of knowing if it's "out of control" or not. However, this doesn't look good:


128 posted on 03/16/2011 10:11:25 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Pray for Japan.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Reactor 3 MOX..Yes.


129 posted on 03/16/2011 10:12:18 AM PDT by caww
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To: socialism_stinX

“The power plant should never have been built so close to the coast”

Everything is close to the coast in Japan.

How sad, that the plants have stood up to one of the worst ‘quakes, and no one has anything good to say about it. Just nitpicks.


130 posted on 03/16/2011 10:12:52 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tcrlaf

The muslim takeover of western europe is out of control too.


131 posted on 03/16/2011 10:13:04 AM PDT by crosshairs (Appeasement is surrender in slow motion.)
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To: tcrlaf
UPDATE: EU Energy Commissioner Did Not Say A Catastrophe Was Going To Happen, Just Expressed His Fear - Spokesman
132 posted on 03/16/2011 10:14:13 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: FReepaholic

There’s a satalite photo, close up, on the net...shows actual destruction of all. Can’t recall where I saw...probably on FR somewhere.


133 posted on 03/16/2011 10:14:16 AM PDT by caww
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To: tcrlaf

I’m guilty of focusing on “out of control”; and then I reread the first part of the title—what a waste of time. Guess the EU guy wanted to his name in the media.


134 posted on 03/16/2011 10:14:49 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: tcrlaf

“(Reuters) - Europe’s energy chief warned on Wednesday of a further catastrophe at Japan’s nuclear site in the coming hours but his spokeswoman said he had no specific or privileged information on the situation.”

This is a highly irresponsible announcement from a government official.


135 posted on 03/16/2011 10:16:56 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (The most dangerous place on the face of the earth is between a liberal and their money.)
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To: caww
...There’s a satalite photo, close up, on the net...shows actual destruction of all. Can’t recall where I saw...probably on FR somewhere....


136 posted on 03/16/2011 10:17:30 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Pray for Japan.)
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To: Fido969

I think that’s right but don’t think they’ve gone in. Not sure tho. Mostly relying on twitter news updates. Very busy day for me.


137 posted on 03/16/2011 10:19:32 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: Tublecane
Neal Boortz said yesterday that those reactors were hit by a quake 7 times greater than they were designed to stand. Not sure the actual age, but they were old reactors.
138 posted on 03/16/2011 10:23:10 AM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers - Good to the last drop!)
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To: randita

“It certainly should be”

No, it shouldn’t. Though it’s a grave mistake to view the federal government as responsible for first response, there is something to the idea that the president is more or less responsible for disasters that happen in his own country. Not so for foreign disasters. They can blah, blah, blah and send money, troops, and other forms of help. But it strains credulity to blame them for anything that happened the way they blame Bush for everything that happened.

Again, not that they were correct to do so with Bush. But they were more correct.


139 posted on 03/16/2011 10:23:48 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tcrlaf
Of course it is out of control. If it was under control TEPCO could stop it within specified control limits. That does not mean it is an imminent crisis.

Get a grip.

140 posted on 03/16/2011 10:30:14 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: socialism_stinX

“I know what it means when the utility company pulls all its employees out of the power plant because the radiation levels are so high. That means they’re losing this battle, and badly.”

You sound like a braindead, fearmongering journalist. Employees are pulled out, so something must be wrong. The PM’s press releases are getting more ominous, so something must be wrong. People are being warned to stay inside, so something must be wrong. Iodine pills are being circulated, so something must be wrong.

Well, DUH! Pulling employees out may have tipped you off, but I, and the rest of the world, already knew things were “effectively out of control” after the huge freakin’ earthquake, the huge freakin’ tsunami, and the huge freakin’ explosions. If you know anything more than what those tell you, I’m all ears. If that’s all there is too it, shut up. Things have been “out of control” since the beginning. Stop implying it’s now or soon to be more out of control than it is.


141 posted on 03/16/2011 10:31:10 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: tobyhill

The rods burn their way through the core of the earth and come up through the floor of the WH.


142 posted on 03/16/2011 10:31:29 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: quesney

It’s 3AM and guess who is calling?

HILLARY CLINTON - this is a foreign issue, so our secretary of state is on duty...

roflol


143 posted on 03/16/2011 10:32:48 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: servantboy777

“Just what does happen once folks cannot get close enough to cool down the core?”

It sits in the container designed to contain it. Which, presumably, is exactly what’s happening. At least, there’s no evidence to suggest it isn’t. And absent that, I have to seriously question what it is we’re panicking about.

There’re always “What if?” scenarios. But I’d say the worst possible what if (earthquake, tsunami) has already happened, and not everything went according to plan, but the important part did.


144 posted on 03/16/2011 10:36:41 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: quesney

“It’s 3 AM.”

And Barry Soetoro is working on his March Madness NCAA picks. No time to answer the phone.


145 posted on 03/16/2011 10:39:07 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: tobyhill

Honestly, that would be anyone’s guess. You, me, some “expert”...wouldn’t matter we’d all be equals in making the educated guess...


146 posted on 03/16/2011 10:39:17 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: library user

“Apocalypse may take some time. You want Apocalypse now?”

You want Apocalypse now? YOU CAN’T HANDLE APOCALYPSE NOW!


147 posted on 03/16/2011 10:41:55 AM PDT by LiveFreeOrDie2001 (Best Cook on Free Republic! ;-))
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To: servantboy777

“To my knowledge, the world has never experienced a complete run away meltdown”

Your phraseology suggests a meltdown could somehow turn into an uncontrolled chain reaction, implying the core could be a nuclear bomb. Which is impossible. The worst it could be is something like a dirty bomb, what with the conventional explosions. But, really, people are worried about the fact that after whatever happens, there will be a hunk of radioactivity sitting in there, and if it gets out, it will be bad.

All I have to say is that we have no reason to believe it will get out. That is, in anything like deadly doses. If it does get out, we need to join the anti-nuke crowd, chant kumbaya, and pray to the Sun and Wind gods to supplement our energy needs. I doubt it will.


148 posted on 03/16/2011 10:43:06 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

It sits in the container designed to contain it. Which, presumably, is exactly what’s happening. At least, there’s no evidence to suggest it isn’t. And absent that, I have to seriously question what it is we’re panicking about.


Sorry but its sits inside the container (which was buld to contain it as long as you have an EFFECTIVE water cooling).
Nobody ever said that the “container” can still contain it without that.
The only thing the container does now is buying you some time to get the cooling back.
If you fail it will melt. This is a fact.
Guess why the are so desperate to cool it?
Do you think they do this just for fun?


149 posted on 03/16/2011 10:45:26 AM PDT by darkside321
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To: airborne

“Neal Boortz said yesterday that those reactors were hit by a quake 7 times greater than they were designed to stand.”

And yet they stood. Such a shame that all anybody can say about them is that the might possibly, maybe, kinda, sorta, eventually fail in some unmentionable way.


150 posted on 03/16/2011 10:47:59 AM PDT by Tublecane
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