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Breaking:EU's Energy Commissioner: The Situation at Japanese reactor is "effectively out of control"
Reuters ^ | 11-16-01 | Reuters

Posted on 03/16/2011 8:39:36 AM PDT by tcrlaf

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: earthquake; eu; fukushima; gntheroettinger; japan; japanearthquake; japaneathquake; japannuclearplants; japanreactors; moron; oettinger; radiation; reactor; rooters; teotwawki; tsunami
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To: skeeter
"I’ll wait for Shep Smith to burst into tears before becoming concerned."

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

When his mascara starts to run it's time to break out the iodine pills.

51 posted on 03/16/2011 8:59:06 AM PDT by avacado
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To: quesney

“The number you have dialed is no longer in service.”


52 posted on 03/16/2011 8:59:34 AM PDT by Justa
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To: Big Horn; All

Reauters Live Blog BREAKING NEWS:

IAEA Head says core damage at Units 1-3 of quake-hit plant confirmed....


53 posted on 03/16/2011 9:01:06 AM PDT by tcrlaf (2012 Slogan: "You'd Have To Be Insane, To Vote For Hussein!")
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To: quesney

“It’s 3 AM. White House: Please leave a message.”

Sorry! Mailbox full........


54 posted on 03/16/2011 9:02:10 AM PDT by zavvone
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To: Rational Thought

“Obama has his brackets filled out” . . .

and his bags packed for the Rio Spring Break vacation with family. Leaving Friday.


55 posted on 03/16/2011 9:02:14 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: skeeter

Why wait? It’s a DAILY occurence....


56 posted on 03/16/2011 9:02:54 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: quesney

Push 1 for man-made crisis, push 2 for natural. If 2, push 1 for hurricane, 2 for tornado, 3 for earthquake. If 3 push 1 for Asia, 2 for South American and 3 for Europe...if domestic earthquake stay on the line and someone will be with you shortly or 9:00 EDT...whichever is longest.


57 posted on 03/16/2011 9:02:58 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: MayflowerMadam
There’s that. And there’s 12/7/41, too. I’m still pissed about that.

So firebombing their cities to ash, nuking two of them, remaking their society into a democracy and 60 years of them being one of our most steadfast allies isn't enough? Did you know, for instance, that our B-29 raids on Tokyo killed 30 times as many people in one night as died at Pearl?

Gimme a break.

58 posted on 03/16/2011 9:03:18 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: All

1.1545: The Pentagon has announced that US forces must stay 50 miles (80km) away from the Fukushima reactor unless they have specific authorisation, Reuters reports.


59 posted on 03/16/2011 9:05:10 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: socialism_stinX

See post 14. He has admitted he knows squat.


60 posted on 03/16/2011 9:05:10 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: tcrlaf
Live updates of developments after the earthquake and tsunami in Japan, selected by Reuters.com editors

More filtering of the news. In this case, get an EU Energy Commissioner, who has not been to Japan, to make a statement that supports Reuters' political agenda.

Let's get some fact, not some conjecture from someone 10,000 miles away.

61 posted on 03/16/2011 9:05:23 AM PDT by mlocher (Who is going to watch the hoops bracket show tonight?)
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To: SMARTY

Yes, he apparently hadn’t time to pack his suit jacket with the shoulder pads, either.


62 posted on 03/16/2011 9:05:51 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: janetjanet998

1556: Kyodo is reporting new plumes of smoke coming from the building housing reactor three.


63 posted on 03/16/2011 9:06:23 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: Moose4

TEPCO is lying or understating how bad it is. They are not to be trusted either.


64 posted on 03/16/2011 9:07:00 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: tcrlaf

Of course there’s core damage! Otherwise there’d be no need to pump seawater into those units. The question is how much and if it’s contained.


65 posted on 03/16/2011 9:07:33 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: library user

I love the smell of Euroweenie fearmongering and hysteria! It's like victory.

66 posted on 03/16/2011 9:08:17 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Earthdweller
Looks like Japan is trying to get a hundred years of disasters out-of-the-way in a weeks time

I keep waiting for Reuters to tell us that Godzilla has arrived in Kyoto.

67 posted on 03/16/2011 9:08:22 AM PDT by mlocher (Who is going to watch the hoops bracket show tonight?)
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To: Mr. Silverback

No, they said he didn’t have any privileged information. But he doesn’t need any secret information to figure out that the situation is effectively out of control. This man and his expert staff figured that out from publicly available information and news video. In my view, the Japanese government is substantially understating the severity of this situation at the power plant.


68 posted on 03/16/2011 9:09:03 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded mandates, medicaid, and illegal immigration.)
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To: Jedidah
With almost zero leadership from the USA on this crisis, this will be Obama’s Katrina. To bad our good friends the Japanese will suffer from our lack of leadership. Hope Obama enjoys his spring break vacation. Shame on him.
69 posted on 03/16/2011 9:12:03 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: skeeter
I’ll wait for Shep Smith to burst into tears...

How will you know?

70 posted on 03/16/2011 9:14:05 AM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: jpsb

Don’t worry, the media will surely find a way to pin this on Bush! The won is conveniently “black” so its not his fault.


71 posted on 03/16/2011 9:15:07 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: silentknight

You are so right.

The nuke experts most talking heads quote are anti-nuke activists (Google some and see).

Gad, when I saw California running out of Potassium Iodide tabs, all I could think was, “Typical!”


72 posted on 03/16/2011 9:20:07 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: socialism_stinX

They missed the Japanese translation.... the word “temporarily” was missed...


73 posted on 03/16/2011 9:20:23 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: janetjanet998

There’s substantial quantities of plutonium and associated isotopes in 3’s MOX fuel.


74 posted on 03/16/2011 9:20:44 AM PDT by Justa
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To: tcrlaf

The only people who really know the situation are those dedicated men on site trying to keep things under control.

God bless and protect them.


75 posted on 03/16/2011 9:21:29 AM PDT by mojito
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To: tcrlaf

This jerk is talking out of his ass. Figures Rueters would be quick to run with this kind of unsubstantiated fear mongering.


76 posted on 03/16/2011 9:21:46 AM PDT by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: socialism_stinX
No, they said he didn’t have any privileged information.

No, he said he didn't have any privileged or specific information. That means he has no information that can tell him this is "out of control."

He's full of crap. Even if the next thing we hear about this plant is that it's Chernobyl II and it's spreading radiation all over northeastern Japan, Gunther won't be right, he'll just be a fool with a title, because he doesn't know anything and makes a pronouncement anyway.

This man and his expert staff figured that out from publicly available information and news video.

Really? Can you list his staff members and their qualifications? How can an analysis of information leave him with "no specific information" that supports his assertion?

In my view, the Japanese government is substantially understating the severity of this situation at the power plant.

And your qualification to make that assessment is...? Are you as qualified as Gunther's staff?

On FR the past few days I have been annoyed by the sudden appearance of dozens of world-class experts on nuclear power, some saying "everything is fine" without having any reason to be so sure. But the most annoying part of all is the legions of freepers who are predicting nuclear apocalypse based on no knowledge at all, parroting with wide-eyed innocence the pronouncements of a media that depends on drama for ratings and lies to us on a regular basis about the level of danger from technologies. alar on apples, anyone? Road rage? Summer of the Shark?

It's time for us to grow up and stop being suckers.

77 posted on 03/16/2011 9:22:08 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Bean Counter

“What are the facts? Again and again and again – what are the facts? Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what “the stars foretell,” avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable “verdict of history” – what are the facts, and to how many decimal places? You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue. Get the facts!”

— Robert A. Heinlein

Well worth remembering, and by one of my favorite authors no less.


78 posted on 03/16/2011 9:22:31 AM PDT by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: avacado

“When his mascara starts to MELT, it’s time to break out the iodine pills.”


79 posted on 03/16/2011 9:22:45 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Justa

Source of that info?


80 posted on 03/16/2011 9:23:41 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Bean Counter; tcrlaf; Russ; skeeter; quesney; silentknight; steveyp; GoCards; Mr. Silverback; ...
If a tree falls...

Does a bear shlt...

Does the Pope wear....

Letsee...

If a bear shlts in a Japanese forest, what in the hell would some EU Bureaucratic Pope know about it?

81 posted on 03/16/2011 9:25:17 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Good points for sure!


82 posted on 03/16/2011 9:27:09 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: sam_paine

In the daily rag today, the headlines were dire. That the workers had to evacuate... You get into the article, and yes they did evacuate the building for an hour, then were back at work. It’s a pathetic display to sell papers and scare the crapola out of the masses.


83 posted on 03/16/2011 9:28:43 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: EBH

I agree - the spent fuel pool is now appears to be the big issue. NB that they got the reactors at the other location under control cold-stopped and no one seems to want to notice it much.

NB2: There is a real possibility that there are crass political motivations at work in Germany behind their recent actions. The CDU just got *spanked* at the polls in Hamburg, and an election is coming up in Baden-Wuerttemberg. In B-H, the CDU (Merkel’s party) has had control for a long time - decades.

But the polls are signaling that the CDU is in trouble in B-H.

Well, guess what there happens to be two of in B-H? Reactor power plants.

Guess who is possibly going to shift the election away from the CDU in B-H? The Greens. And what do the Greens hate (with a passion)? Well, yes, coal. But they hated nukes before they hated coal. On the nuke issue, polling has indicated that the Germans want their nukes closed down “as soon as possible” by 53% of respondents. That’s a pretty big block of pretty hard-core anti-nuke people.

Enter the EU Energy Commissioner, Herr Günther Oettinger. Guess which German political party he’s from?

The CDU. Merkel’s party.

The all-out push to make a big, splashy reactions to events in Japan by the German government could be a crass bit of opportunism to hang onto some control by the CDU. Losing Baden-Wuerttemberg would be a BIG deal - there’s a large chunk of Germany’s’ population in that state, as well as a big chunk of their economy. And the CDU has held it for decades and decades. To lose it to the Greens is probably unthinkable to Merkel et al. I won’t go so far as to say that losing B-H means the CDU is going to be wiped out in the next lower house elections, but it would require Merkel change course on a lot of issues (like bailing out the rest of Europe on the Germans’ wallets) that she’s doubled-down upon.


84 posted on 03/16/2011 9:30:33 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: sam_paine

See post 14, he has admitted he knows squat, but still says the sky is falling.


85 posted on 03/16/2011 9:31:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: tcrlaf

Which way is the winds blowing?


86 posted on 03/16/2011 9:31:40 AM PDT by tobyhill
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To: socialism_stinX

If fuel rods have melted and containment has been breached (and I think we have a roger on both of those), it has already gotten out of control by definition. If control can not be regained, there could be more melting and breaching and so more discharge of radioactive particulates into the atmosphere. I doubt that anyone is in position to know exactly how much of what.


87 posted on 03/16/2011 9:32:00 AM PDT by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: jpsb
With almost zero leadership from the USA on this crisis, this will be Obama’s Katrina.

It certainly should be, but the DBM had an ideological interest in using Katrina to destroy Bush. They have no such interest in destroying Obama. Instead, they will offer rationale for his lack of leadership and exaggerate any slight glimmer of leadership as monumental.

88 posted on 03/16/2011 9:32:56 AM PDT by randita
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To: sam_paine
If a bear shlts in a Japanese forest, what in the hell would some EU Bureaucratic Pope know about it?

I hear he's a magnificently knowledgeable bureaucrat who can look at his teevee and see right through Japanese authorities' elaborate ruse. Don't question it. Just accept your fate.

89 posted on 03/16/2011 9:33:35 AM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: swain_forkbeard

It was ‘out of control’ at the first explosion and has remained so.


90 posted on 03/16/2011 9:34:17 AM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: quesney

Sorry,
Obammy & family are off to rio to PARTY

What a chump


91 posted on 03/16/2011 9:34:17 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Obammy, the man is too small.)
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To: sam_paine
If a bear shlts in a Japanese forest, what in the hell would some EU Bureaucratic Pope know about it?

When you don't have your own house in order, make sure you tell everyone else what their problems are and what to do. It makes you look important and relevant in world politics.

92 posted on 03/16/2011 9:35:24 AM PDT by mlocher (Who is going to watch the hoops bracket show tonight?)
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To: tcrlaf
EU Energy Commissioner.

If a commie EU dork told me the sky was blue, I'd look out the window to check.

93 posted on 03/16/2011 9:37:24 AM PDT by Fido969 ("The hardest thing in the world to understand is income tax." - Albert Einstein)
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To: tcrlaf
And, upon hearing this news, France immediately surrendered to Japan.
94 posted on 03/16/2011 9:38:34 AM PDT by Gabrial (The Whitehouse Nightmare will continue as long as the Nightmare is in the Whitehouse)
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To: tcrlaf

I keep seeing words like “could”, and “might”, but rarely words like “will”, and “are”.


95 posted on 03/16/2011 9:39:13 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (TOTUS knows how to give a speech. Obama knows how to read.)
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To: tcrlaf

OMG-

Tell the bloviating babble heads spewing second or third hand information to shut up.


96 posted on 03/16/2011 9:39:36 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Mr. Silverback

I don’t know who exactly is on this man’s staff, but based on the usual organization of government agencies, he probably has a number of technical experts who contributed to the analysis that lead to his statements. The US DOE certainly has dozens of experts in nuclear energy working on its staff.

Again, they don’t need any privileged information to figure out that this situation is effectively out of control. They can see that in the publicly available information and video. As for me, I have a science degree from a leading US university so I’m quite familiar with the basic chemistry and physics of nuclear reactors. I know what it means when the utility company pulls all its employees out of the power plant because the radiation levels are so high. That means they’re losing this battle, and badly.

You have a very disparaging attitude towards other posters on this site. My advice to you is to not underestimate other people who post on this site. They may not know everything about this situation, but they know more than you think.


97 posted on 03/16/2011 9:39:36 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded mandates, medicaid, and illegal immigration.)
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To: tcrlaf

Unhelpful panic-mongering by the EU elite. Damn them!


98 posted on 03/16/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by bvw
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To: tcrlaf

This is mainly the B team in here posting today. With a couple of exceptions, the real technical experts are all at work and too busy. Maybe we’ll see some better commentary tonight.


99 posted on 03/16/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by socialism_stinX (Why did California go bankrupt?...because of unfunded mandates, medicaid, and illegal immigration.)
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To: tcrlaf

And in saying this, he sent stocks plummeting until the word got out that he was talking out his anal orifice.

Even so...we need RELIABLE info as to what is REALLY going on. Unfortunately, I don’t think TEPCO or the Japanese government is going to provide that any time soon.


100 posted on 03/16/2011 9:42:26 AM PDT by hoagy62 (I am a optimistic pessimist. I am positive that the world is going to Hell.)
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