Skip to comments.Plane Shot Down Over Rebel-Held City on Libya
Posted on 03/19/2011 12:53:21 AM PDT by winstonwolf33
BENGHAZI, Libya -- A plane has been shot down over the main rebel-held city in eastern Libya.
An Associated Press reporter saw the plane go down in flames outside Benghazi early Saturday after the area came under shelling.
A black cloud went up over the city's southern outskirts.
Muammar Qaddafi's government declared a cease-fire Friday in an attempt to outmaneuver Western military intervention. But the opposition has been saying shells rained down well after the announcement and accused the Libyan leader of lying.
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Wonder how “rebels” got their own aircraft?
Using the standards applied to former President Bush, does this action make the great leader who won the Nobel Peace prize, nobama, a war criminal? I mean, invading a sovereign country and all. Doesn’t Congress have to approve this kind of stuff? And why are we helping these rebels? Doesn’t Gadhafi have a “right” to fight the rebels? nobama is such a feckless, petulant war monger.
Libya doesn’t operate MiG-27. They operate MiG-23BNs. The BN has the drooped nose of the MiG-27 variant.
Conflicting reports on various news agencies. Some are claiming that it was a rebel operated MiG-23 shot down by Gadaffi forces. I’ve seen video evidence from a week ago of several MiG-23BNs in rebel hands.
They have captured Libyan air assets. They were flying captured Hind helicopters last week. Footage was shown of them repainting the Hinds in rebel markings. Footage also exists of rebels taking over some of the Libyan bases with several ground attack variant MiG-23BNs. So yes they do have access to aircraft.
Rebels are likely Muslim Brotherhood or Al Quada fanatics all of which are worse than the nutbar they are trying to force out.
Congress approved the Iraq war. Both times.
I've been thinking about the Egyptians. IIRC, time was, maybe before Khaddafi's time when Naser was in charge in Egypt, he had some designs on the Cyrenaican region of Libya. If I was in charge of the Egyptian military right now, I'd find it hard not to think of how popular I'd be to take a nice drive over to Brenghazi with some of those M1A2's I have.
Where is all this stuff coming from? From where is it being shipped or flown into the rebels territories and hands? Where's our U.S. intelligence telling us these facts so that we know who the rebels really are and from where they're getting supplies and the means for combat.
The Obama administration is actually telling us nothing despite the Pretender's torrents of meaningless, pretend-hard-line words. Our elected representatives obviously are being kept out of the loop regarding approval of a shooting war he's apparantly pulling us into under the cover of the U.N.
We know Moomar G'Daffy is on first, but who are the well-supplied rag-tags that are on second? Who's backing them, who's supplying them, who and what is this unidentified rebel "army" that we're supposed to hook up with and die for on its behalf?.....well, I could rant and rave on, but you get my drift.
Thank you. I KNEW someone here would pin down the type of aircraft before anyone on the “news” did.
No I said it went down somewhere some time.
Exactly! The “rebels” all over the ME and NA have suddenly awoken from their slumber and, as if on cue, yearn for freedom??? pppffttt...
Apparently a lot of help is coming from Egypt- arms etc. Recent history suggests the only organized group in Egypt was the MB. We’re being had in the takeover of the whole region by islamists.
And from last month....
This is the most bizzarre Cluster-F ever!
If it wasn’t so serious, it would make one helll-of-a Mel Brooks movie!
Yeah, but our Dear Leader said Daffy “had to go”...
( he just didn’t say How, or where?)
Now lets see the Left start screaming about “all the innocent civilians being killed in Lybya” and “Obama Lied, Lybyans Died!”
Possible Raptor food?
Who are the good guys here - the Islamists or Kaddafi?
I don’t see any evidence that the battle is between Islamists and the tyrant. I see a modernized people in a tribal country desiring the overthrow of the tyrant. There might be the fanatics on the margin but I don’t see them in the lead.
The Gulf nations are seemingly on the side of the rebels and they are certainly not in the radical/Iranian camp
It was a REBEL airplane shot down.
None of the above. And our brave troops are caught in the middle.
Confusion is a guarantee - this is an effort-by-committee.
“I dont see any evidence that the battle is between Islamists and the tyrant...”
Sound like Jimmy Carter in 1978 talking about Iran. We shall see...
Wonder if the French and British, who are supposed to do the fighting while Obama makes speeches, will have second thoughts about flying over Qaddafi’s anti-aircraft emplacements now. It looks like it could be a bit dangerous.
As long as Libya or any ME Country is not messing with our allies or our National interest why not encourage them to kill each other? Kill A LOT of each other. Maybe we could sneak in once in awhile and help them kill even more if it doesn’t involve to much risk?
“I completely agree. There seems to be no strategic planning to this one at all. We`re just going to go and shoot at stuff for a little while.... well, I suppose it`ll make us feel good about ourselves again.”
This is a UN declared war with the goal of putting the Muslim Brotherhood in charge. When Obama gave his address to Libya, he kept saying “the international community” this and the international community” that. America was not mentioned. This is why Obama dragged his feet before announcing involvement. He was waiting for the UN to tell him his role.
God help us all.
Yep, looks like the pilot punched as well...
CNN is making this out to be some sort of tragedy...Sympathy towards the pilot and all that...geesh...
Looks like the guy is “winchester” (no ordinance) too...I guess he didn’t have anything let to kill his countrymen with...
Sympathy??? nahhhhhh, I say that was some good shootin’!!!
Before we blow Gaddafi away, we should be damn sure that whatever replaces him will be an improvement. Remember the Shah of Iran.
I'm on Daffy's side right now. I suspect the rebels are hard-line Islamists.
Let Europe deal with it, without US. We have a full plate to deal with as it is.
Egypt has 200 F-16s and 1000 Abrams tanks.
If Egypt wanted to enforce a no-fly zone, she
could do it on her own.
If she wanted to overthrow Ghaddaffi, she could do it
on her own.
Tunisia, which just had its ‘revolution’, also has armed forces.
Obviously they don’t want to do this for some reason.
Egypt has always believed that the eastern part of Libya was logically a part of Egypt. Maybe they feel
that if Libya falls apart, they can “intervene”, occupy the area, and eventually claim it.
Or, maybe they just don’t want another Islamic state on their
In any case, US forces are not needed in Libya if anyone
is really serious about getting rid of Ghaddaffi.
Two Libyan jets are parked at airport in Malta after their pilots asked for political asylum, Feb. 21, 2011.
“Initial reports indicate the Libyan leader Gaddafi has violated UN resolution 1973, which was passed on Thursday night. However, our reporter says he was at the hospital mortuary when the body of the jet pilot was brought in. He was told that the pilot was one of the Libyan rebels. Later reports confirm the plane belonged to the rebels and was shot down by Colonel Gaddafis forces. (Sources: twitter, BBC, The Guardian).”
sounds like the rebels are the ones violating the no fly zone.....
will we bomb them?
1417: BFM, a French TV station, is reporting French fighter jets are over Benghazi enforcing the no-fly zone.
The fact that anyone has to ask that question is a compelling reason why America has no business getting involved in this Civil War.
The fact of the matter is that our own Ship of State is rudderless in this storm and our Captain is a blubbering idiot. If anybody on this planet needs to be in rebellion it is us. God help us through the next two years
I believe we have a winner.
If standards that they are judged were equal, yes, but they are not because he is a lib.
I've been wondering that, too. I can't imagine that it'll take long, either. I know many conservatives believe, with good reason, that Obama isn't as clueless as some claim. With this Libya situation, though, he's so far over his head.
Just another group of people who hate us.
Reverend Wright and Louis Farrakan consider Gaddafi a friend. They have both been over to see Gaddafi. Obama is friends with both of these bozos. Obama is doing exactly what they want - Nothing, leave Gaddafi, in power. He spoke out against Mubarak because Egypt is friendly to America. So Mubarak had to go.
Obama likes anyone against the USA.
It all goes back to 1984, when Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and Rev. Wright decided to take a trip to Libya and see Gaddafi in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Was it to condemn Gaddafi at the height of his reign? Was to to ask Gaddafi to work with the United States, as the two countries were in an extremely icy relationship? No.
It was a social visit.
And even worse, at the time and since, the good reverend knew that this could have political consequences, especially during the Presidential campaign in 2008. To quote Wright in 2008:
“When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit [Gaddafi] with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”
The ties between Farrakhan and Gaddafi are numerous, but surely President Obama has known about his reverend’s indiscretion for years now. Is this why he has kept quiet until today? Maybe.
There has been no use of the U. S. War Powers Act since 1976. How about asking Congress for a Declaration of War???I though we were a Nation of laws!!!
Most likely but by accident. "Innocent" casualties can never be 100% avoidable in war. Unfortunately, this could be one thing that could cause us great trouble and embarrassment. Not only would we be bombing innocents but also Gadaffi's opposition.
Could become ugly but at the very least embarrassing.
The media isn’t reporting whose plane it was.
Maybe someone should tell the “rebels” that there are French Planes overhead.
Its odd that in the video that you couldn’t see a missile trail or explosions of AA artillery or tracer fire. I suspect that this jet may have just lost it engine when it went down. It looks like a video I’ve seen of an F-14 about to go supersonic when one of its engines had a catistrophic failure.