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Plane Shot Down Over Rebel-Held City on Libya
Fox News ^ | March 19, 2011 | | Associated Press

Posted on 03/19/2011 12:53:21 AM PDT by winstonwolf33

BENGHAZI, Libya -- A plane has been shot down over the main rebel-held city in eastern Libya.

An Associated Press reporter saw the plane go down in flames outside Benghazi early Saturday after the area came under shelling.

A black cloud went up over the city's southern outskirts.

Muammar Qaddafi's government declared a cease-fire Friday in an attempt to outmaneuver Western military intervention. But the opposition has been saying shells rained down well after the announcement and accused the Libyan leader of lying.

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To: Hypo2

Wonder how “rebels” got their own aircraft?


51 posted on 03/19/2011 4:12:58 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: b4its2late

Using the standards applied to former President Bush, does this action make the great leader who won the Nobel Peace prize, nobama, a war criminal? I mean, invading a sovereign country and all. Doesn’t Congress have to approve this kind of stuff? And why are we helping these rebels? Doesn’t Gadhafi have a “right” to fight the rebels? nobama is such a feckless, petulant war monger.


52 posted on 03/19/2011 4:27:57 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: RaceBannon

Libya doesn’t operate MiG-27. They operate MiG-23BNs. The BN has the drooped nose of the MiG-27 variant.

Conflicting reports on various news agencies. Some are claiming that it was a rebel operated MiG-23 shot down by Gadaffi forces. I’ve seen video evidence from a week ago of several MiG-23BNs in rebel hands.


53 posted on 03/19/2011 4:40:09 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Sacajaweau

They have captured Libyan air assets. They were flying captured Hind helicopters last week. Footage was shown of them repainting the Hinds in rebel markings. Footage also exists of rebels taking over some of the Libyan bases with several ground attack variant MiG-23BNs. So yes they do have access to aircraft.


54 posted on 03/19/2011 4:45:41 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Rebels are likely Muslim Brotherhood or Al Quada fanatics all of which are worse than the nutbar they are trying to force out.


55 posted on 03/19/2011 4:48:41 AM PDT by snidely whiplash III (Islam is the bomb!)
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To: tsowellfan

Congress approved the Iraq war. Both times.


56 posted on 03/19/2011 4:55:01 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Sulzberger Family Motto: Trois generations d'imbeciles, assez)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Egypt is supposedly smuggling weapons into the rebels.

I've been thinking about the Egyptians. IIRC, time was, maybe before Khaddafi's time when Naser was in charge in Egypt, he had some designs on the Cyrenaican region of Libya. If I was in charge of the Egyptian military right now, I'd find it hard not to think of how popular I'd be to take a nice drive over to Brenghazi with some of those M1A2's I have.

57 posted on 03/19/2011 5:00:48 AM PDT by Heatseeker (Elizabeth Cheney for President)
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To: winstonwolf33
It beats me how in a very short period of time, the rebels...who are the glorious shirtless ones, the shoeless ones, the freedom fighters, the epitomes of the oppressed and disenfranchised.....suddenly possess small arms, large arms, sophisticated arms, men-at-arms, fighter planes, fighter pilots, seemingly-plenty of trucks and ammo.....

Where is all this stuff coming from? From where is it being shipped or flown into the rebels territories and hands? Where's our U.S. intelligence telling us these facts so that we know who the rebels really are and from where they're getting supplies and the means for combat.

The Obama administration is actually telling us nothing despite the Pretender's torrents of meaningless, pretend-hard-line words. Our elected representatives obviously are being kept out of the loop regarding approval of a shooting war he's apparantly pulling us into under the cover of the U.N.

We know Moomar G'Daffy is on first, but who are the well-supplied rag-tags that are on second? Who's backing them, who's supplying them, who and what is this unidentified rebel "army" that we're supposed to hook up with and die for on its behalf?.....well, I could rant and rave on, but you get my drift.

Leni

58 posted on 03/19/2011 5:01:13 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Thank you. I KNEW someone here would pin down the type of aircraft before anyone on the “news” did.


59 posted on 03/19/2011 5:11:19 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: winstonwolf33

No I said it went down somewhere some time.


60 posted on 03/19/2011 5:17:36 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: MinuteGal

Exactly! The “rebels” all over the ME and NA have suddenly awoken from their slumber and, as if on cue, yearn for freedom??? pppffttt...

Apparently a lot of help is coming from Egypt- arms etc. Recent history suggests the only organized group in Egypt was the MB. We’re being had in the takeover of the whole region by islamists.


61 posted on 03/19/2011 5:31:15 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: SE Mom
Meanwhile...

GADDAFI: I'LL BLOW UP HOLIDAY JETS

And from last month....

Lockerbie bomber Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's Lamborghini trips to see new mansion

62 posted on 03/19/2011 5:34:50 AM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: mewzilla
Libya: British could face terrrorist reprisals Britain could face terrorist attacks backed by Libya if Colonel Gaddafi clings to power, David Cameron has warned.
63 posted on 03/19/2011 5:37:07 AM PDT by mewzilla (Were members of both political parties in on the Lockerbie bomber deal?)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

This is the most bizzarre Cluster-F ever!

If it wasn’t so serious, it would make one helll-of-a Mel Brooks movie!


64 posted on 03/19/2011 5:44:16 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: fatima
IFF = Identify Friendly flier. All military aircraft have a signal transponder that sends out a code telling any other military aircraft what nation they come from. The receiver has smarts...it will know if the military is friendly or not.

65 posted on 03/19/2011 5:45:51 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: snidely whiplash III

Yeah, but our Dear Leader said Daffy “had to go”...

( he just didn’t say How, or where?)

Now lets see the Left start screaming about “all the innocent civilians being killed in Lybya” and “Obama Lied, Lybyans Died!”


66 posted on 03/19/2011 5:48:26 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie
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To: Hypo2

Possible Raptor food?


67 posted on 03/19/2011 5:52:21 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz
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To: winstonwolf33

Who are the good guys here - the Islamists or Kaddafi?


68 posted on 03/19/2011 5:54:00 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: BobL

I don’t see any evidence that the battle is between Islamists and the tyrant. I see a modernized people in a tribal country desiring the overthrow of the tyrant. There might be the fanatics on the margin but I don’t see them in the lead.

The Gulf nations are seemingly on the side of the rebels and they are certainly not in the radical/Iranian camp


69 posted on 03/19/2011 5:58:37 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: winstonwolf33

It was a REBEL airplane shot down.


70 posted on 03/19/2011 5:58:57 AM PDT by Drango (NO-vember is payback for April 15th)
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To: BobL
Who are the good guys here - the Islamists or Kaddafi?

None of the above. And our brave troops are caught in the middle.

71 posted on 03/19/2011 6:06:52 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Confusion is a guarantee - this is an effort-by-committee.


72 posted on 03/19/2011 6:11:23 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: bert

“I don’t see any evidence that the battle is between Islamists and the tyrant...”

Sound like Jimmy Carter in 1978 talking about Iran. We shall see...


73 posted on 03/19/2011 6:16:38 AM PDT by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: winstonwolf33

Wonder if the French and British, who are supposed to do the fighting while Obama makes speeches, will have second thoughts about flying over Qaddafi’s anti-aircraft emplacements now. It looks like it could be a bit dangerous.


74 posted on 03/19/2011 6:19:05 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: winstonwolf33

As long as Libya or any ME Country is not messing with our allies or our National interest why not encourage them to kill each other? Kill A LOT of each other. Maybe we could sneak in once in awhile and help them kill even more if it doesn’t involve to much risk?


75 posted on 03/19/2011 6:19:42 AM PDT by Leep
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To: ScottinVA

“I completely agree. There seems to be no strategic planning to this one at all. We`re just going to go and shoot at stuff for a little while.... well, I suppose it`ll make us feel good about ourselves again.”

This is a UN declared war with the goal of putting the Muslim Brotherhood in charge. When Obama gave his address to Libya, he kept saying “the international community” this and the international community” that. America was not mentioned. This is why Obama dragged his feet before announcing involvement. He was waiting for the UN to tell him his role.

God help us all.


76 posted on 03/19/2011 6:23:37 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

Yep, looks like the pilot punched as well...

CNN is making this out to be some sort of tragedy...Sympathy towards the pilot and all that...geesh...

Looks like the guy is “winchester” (no ordinance) too...I guess he didn’t have anything let to kill his countrymen with...

Sympathy??? nahhhhhh, I say that was some good shootin’!!!


77 posted on 03/19/2011 6:28:32 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: LeoWindhorse
Get coordinates on Gaddafi and blow his ass to hell .

Before we blow Gaddafi away, we should be damn sure that whatever replaces him will be an improvement. Remember the Shah of Iran.

I'm on Daffy's side right now. I suspect the rebels are hard-line Islamists.

78 posted on 03/19/2011 6:34:00 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: topher
I remember how liberals used to chant: no blood for oil, no blood for oil Europe is in this because of the huge Libyan oil reserve/production. It has a highly desired light crude...

Let Europe deal with it, without US. We have a full plate to deal with as it is.

79 posted on 03/19/2011 6:36:22 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

Egypt has 200 F-16s and 1000 Abrams tanks.

If Egypt wanted to enforce a no-fly zone, she
could do it on her own.

If she wanted to overthrow Ghaddaffi, she could do it
on her own.

Tunisia, which just had its ‘revolution’, also has armed forces.

Obviously they don’t want to do this for some reason.

Egypt has always believed that the eastern part of Libya was logically a part of Egypt. Maybe they feel
that if Libya falls apart, they can “intervene”, occupy the area, and eventually claim it.

Or, maybe they just don’t want another Islamic state on their
border.

In any case, US forces are not needed in Libya if anyone
is really serious about getting rid of Ghaddaffi.


80 posted on 03/19/2011 6:50:31 AM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: Sacajaweau

Two Libyan jets are parked at airport in Malta after their pilots asked for political asylum, Feb. 21, 2011.


81 posted on 03/19/2011 7:13:53 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: winstonwolf33

“Initial reports indicate the Libyan leader Gaddafi has violated UN resolution 1973, which was passed on Thursday night. However, our reporter says he was at the hospital mortuary when the body of the jet pilot was brought in. He was told that the pilot was one of the Libyan rebels. Later reports confirm the plane belonged to the rebels and was shot down by Colonel Gaddafi’s forces. (Sources: twitter, BBC, The Guardian).”

http://www.rnw.nl/africa/article/heavy-shelling-benghazi


82 posted on 03/19/2011 7:21:51 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: SF_Redux
doesn’t history show it has always been rats that get us into wars on foreign soil?

Mostly, but not always. Gulf War I.
83 posted on 03/19/2011 7:24:20 AM PDT by Cheburashka (Blade Runner was set in 2019. Except for the flying cars and replicants we're right on schedule.)
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To: All

sounds like the rebels are the ones violating the no fly zone.....

will we bomb them?


84 posted on 03/19/2011 7:28:51 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: janetjanet998

1417: BFM, a French TV station, is reporting French fighter jets are over Benghazi enforcing the no-fly zone.


85 posted on 03/19/2011 7:29:44 AM PDT by janetjanet998
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To: fatima
Who are the rebels?

The fact that anyone has to ask that question is a compelling reason why America has no business getting involved in this Civil War.

The fact of the matter is that our own Ship of State is rudderless in this storm and our Captain is a blubbering idiot. If anybody on this planet needs to be in rebellion it is us. God help us through the next two years

86 posted on 03/19/2011 7:38:46 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: The KG9 Kid
MiG-23.

I believe we have a winner.


87 posted on 03/19/2011 7:53:17 AM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: hal ogen

If standards that they are judged were equal, yes, but they are not because he is a lib.


88 posted on 03/19/2011 7:54:32 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: ScottinVA
It`ll be interesting to see Colonel-General Obama`s tactics for switching to Plan B (ground troops) if Plan A fails to halt Gaddafi`s army in its tracks.

I've been wondering that, too. I can't imagine that it'll take long, either. I know many conservatives believe, with good reason, that Obama isn't as clueless as some claim. With this Libya situation, though, he's so far over his head.

89 posted on 03/19/2011 8:13:36 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: fatima

Just another group of people who hate us.


90 posted on 03/19/2011 8:16:50 AM PDT by FourPeas
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To: fatima

Probably AlQ.


91 posted on 03/19/2011 8:17:21 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Tommyjo
Footage was shown of them repainting the Hinds in rebel markings.

Somehow I get the feeling they did not recompute the weight & balance after putting on a few pounds of fresh paint. May not bite them on a Hind, but they might be surprised if they try that on some of the aircraft.
92 posted on 03/19/2011 8:22:22 AM PDT by leakinInTheBlueSea
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To: FourPeas
“I've been wondering that, too. I can't imagine that it'll take long, either. I know many conservatives believe, with good reason, that Obama isn't as clueless as some claim. With this Libya situation, though, he's so far over his head.”

Reverend Wright and Louis Farrakan consider Gaddafi a friend. They have both been over to see Gaddafi. Obama is friends with both of these bozos. Obama is doing exactly what they want - Nothing, leave Gaddafi, in power. He spoke out against Mubarak because Egypt is friendly to America. So Mubarak had to go.

Obama likes anyone against the USA.

http://punditpress.blogspot.com/2011/02/maummar-gaddafi-tied-to-rev-jeremiah.html

It all goes back to 1984, when Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan and Rev. Wright decided to take a trip to Libya and see Gaddafi in Tripoli, the capital of Libya. Was it to condemn Gaddafi at the height of his reign? Was to to ask Gaddafi to work with the United States, as the two countries were in an extremely icy relationship? No.

It was a social visit.

And even worse, at the time and since, the good reverend knew that this could have political consequences, especially during the Presidential campaign in 2008. To quote Wright in 2008:

“When [Obama’s] enemies find out that in 1984 I went to Tripoli to visit [Gaddafi] with Farrakhan, a lot of his Jewish support will dry up quicker than a snowball in hell.”
The ties between Farrakhan and Gaddafi are numerous, but surely President Obama has known about his reverend’s indiscretion for years now. Is this why he has kept quiet until today? Maybe.

93 posted on 03/19/2011 8:49:41 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: txhurl

There has been no use of the U. S. War Powers Act since 1976. How about asking Congress for a Declaration of War???I though we were a Nation of laws!!!


94 posted on 03/19/2011 8:59:52 AM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: tsowellfan
My sentiments exactly. That is why the Secdef, Joint chiefs and anyone with an ounce of military study did not want to touch this with a ten foot pole.
95 posted on 03/19/2011 9:11:21 AM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: janetjanet998
will we bomb them?

Most likely but by accident. "Innocent" casualties can never be 100% avoidable in war. Unfortunately, this could be one thing that could cause us great trouble and embarrassment. Not only would we be bombing innocents but also Gadaffi's opposition.

Could become ugly but at the very least embarrassing.

96 posted on 03/19/2011 9:21:31 AM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: FR_addict
I would rejoice when Daffy Duck is killed or captured. But it is interesting that Obama just involved us in a third Middle East War and did not make more than a brief statement form Brazil...
97 posted on 03/19/2011 9:28:42 AM PDT by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: winstonwolf33

The media isn’t reporting whose plane it was.

Maybe someone should tell the “rebels” that there are French Planes overhead.


98 posted on 03/19/2011 10:21:45 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: leakinInTheBlueSea

I concur.


99 posted on 03/19/2011 11:09:19 AM PDT by Tommyjo
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Its odd that in the video that you couldn’t see a missile trail or explosions of AA artillery or tracer fire. I suspect that this jet may have just lost it engine when it went down. It looks like a video I’ve seen of an F-14 about to go supersonic when one of its engines had a catistrophic failure.


100 posted on 03/19/2011 11:36:49 AM PDT by Always Independent
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