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US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed with photos of murdered civilians
Guardian UK ^ | March 21st 2011 | Jon Boone

Posted on 03/20/2011 7:38:42 PM PDT by Cardhu

Commanders in Afghanistan are bracing themselves for possible riots and public fury triggered by the publication of "trophy" photographs of US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.

Senior officials at Nato's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul have compared the pictures published by the German news weekly Der Spiegel to the images of US soldiers abusing prisoners in Abu Ghraib in Iraq which sparked waves of anti-US protests around the world.

They fear that the pictures could be even more damaging as they show the aftermath of the deliberate murders of Afghan civilians by a rogue US Stryker tank unit that operated in the southern province of Kandahar last year.

Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

All of the soldiers have denied the charges. They face the death penalty or life in prison if convicted.

The case has already created shock around the world, particularly with the revelations that the men cut "trophies" from the bodies of the people they killed.

An investigation by Der Spiegel has unearthed approximately 4,000 photos and videos taken by the men.

The magazine, which is planning to publish only three images, said that in addition to the crimes the men were on trial for there are "also entire collections of pictures of other victims that some of the defendants were keeping".

(Excerpt) Read more at guardian.co.uk ...


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The US military has strived to keep the pictures out of the public domain fearing it could inflame feelings at a time when anti-Americanism in Afghanistan is already running high. [snip] In a statement, the army said it apologised for the distress caused by photographs "depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States".
1 posted on 03/20/2011 7:38:48 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

Black humor is a natural human response to the unpleasant. I will not judge these men but I hope they are prepared for the onslaught of hatred they will get. We are sending very young men into combat and this happens more often than people think.


2 posted on 03/20/2011 7:43:32 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: Cardhu

Bush’s fault, no doubt.


3 posted on 03/20/2011 7:44:08 PM PDT by pingman (You can lead a liberal to logic, but you can't make them think.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Der Spiegel.

Thanks Cardhu.


4 posted on 03/20/2011 7:44:16 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Cardhu

The Guardian is NYT of the UK.


5 posted on 03/20/2011 7:44:38 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: Cardhu
"dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed"

Interesting way to put it

6 posted on 03/20/2011 7:47:08 PM PDT by tsowellfan
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To: Cardhu

I wonder what Murtha and Durbin would have to say about this.


7 posted on 03/20/2011 7:47:22 PM PDT by Gene Eric (*** Jesus ***)
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To: Cardhu

Some people are going to spend the rest of their days in jail.


8 posted on 03/20/2011 7:48:26 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: volunbeer

These troops aren’t being charged with black humor, or even accidentally killing civilians, they’re being charged with premeditated murder of noncombatants in a combat zone. That happens far less than the media portrays it and in the rare cases when it does happen should be prosecuted vigorously. The men America sends into combat are well able to tell the difference and act accordingly.


9 posted on 03/20/2011 7:51:21 PM PDT by jz638
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To: Cardhu

God I hope this is not true. If it is, I am ashamed to have served in the same military as these people.

Kill all the enemy you can, but don’t kill civilians and FOR DAMN SURE don’t have your picture taken next to them.

Didn’t we learn anything from Abu Ghraib? If you are going to do stupid shit, DON’T TAKE PICTURES.


10 posted on 03/20/2011 7:52:02 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: NWFLConservative

The MSM will cover it up, because it makes their Golden Boy look bad. If Bush was still President, it would be all over the news.


11 posted on 03/20/2011 7:53:40 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: jz638

We shall see.


12 posted on 03/20/2011 7:54:54 PM PDT by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: SunkenCiv
Ber Spiegel
13 posted on 03/20/2011 7:54:54 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Cardhu

Buried mid-article:

“All of the soldiers have denied the charges.”

If they are guilty or innocent, let the military handle it. Please not another AbuGhraib orgy filled with grandstanding Congressmen and Senators and pants wetting officials. This stuff happens in war, always has, always will. That doesn’t make it right but it doesn’t need to be turned into Grand Spectacle of Self-Flagellation.


14 posted on 03/20/2011 7:55:21 PM PDT by Da Mav
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To: Cardhu

So, assuming it’s legit, where’s the ravenous global media Abu Ghraib media outrage now demanding the SECDEF’s resignation? Oh, that’s right. It’s Obama’s war now. Never mind. Just some bad actors. An isolated incident, not encouraged at the highest levels like the prisoner abuse in Iraq. /s/


15 posted on 03/20/2011 7:57:15 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Tea Party. We are the party of NO! NO to more government! NO to more spending! NO to more taxation!)
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To: Da Mav
Please not another AbuGhraib orgy filled with grandstanding Congressmen and Senators and pants wetting officials.

Of course there won't be, the President has a "D" next to his name.

16 posted on 03/20/2011 7:59:07 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

“Last night many organisations employing foreign staff, including the United Nations, ordered their staff into a “lockdown”, banning all movements around Kabul and requiring people to remain in their compounds.”


17 posted on 03/20/2011 8:00:53 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: jz638

Yes, that is right. There are some criminal types that make it into our military and thank God it is very few.


18 posted on 03/20/2011 8:01:05 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: Cardhu

i have serious doubts about this account of the actions of these soldiers.

When my boy was in Afghanistan back in 2008-2009, his platoon COP took rocket fire that was determined to be from a village not far from the Pakistan border. His platoon returned fire with 120mm mortars.

Despite claims by other parties of civilian casualties (including children) the Damage Assessment parties found only the mangled bodies of four Taliban fighters in that village.

The rocket attacks stopped.


19 posted on 03/20/2011 8:01:35 PM PDT by Calvinist_Dark_Lord ((I have come here to kick @$$ and chew bubblegum...and I'm all outta bubblegum! ~Roddy Piper))
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To: volunbeer

BS


20 posted on 03/20/2011 8:01:56 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: NWFLConservative

sheesh, take a chill pill...

This is the Guardian, the most anti-American newspaper in the UK. Now how do we exactly know they were “defenseless”? I will trust the American soldier over that propaganda anytime.


21 posted on 03/20/2011 8:02:18 PM PDT by max americana
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To: Cardhu

This is The Guardian, so I automatically distrust “unarmed” and “civilian.”

The Taliban surely take the weapons of their un-uniformed dead comrades back to their hidey holes.


22 posted on 03/20/2011 8:02:48 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Allah sucks pig teat.)
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To: Cardhu

Must have been simple goat herders!/s


23 posted on 03/20/2011 8:03:24 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: tsowellfan

From the article: “dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed”

Those were Moslims.

Since the author of that whining Libtard article does not understand the nature of Islam, here is the shortest and most accurate description of Islam yet written. For any American who has not yet read the following, I suggest reading it AND taking it to heart.

“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Muslims may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.

No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.”

Sir Winston Churchill; (Source: The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 London )


24 posted on 03/20/2011 8:03:39 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: Cardhu

The “Dirty Dozen”?


25 posted on 03/20/2011 8:04:35 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Cardhu

The average age in viet nam was 18.

Our American values have been lost.

We are now under tyranny.

The winds of civil war in the are strong these days Pelosi said so.


26 posted on 03/20/2011 8:06:38 PM PDT by devistate one four (USC 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Cardhu

The average age in viet nam was 18.

Our American values have been lost.

We are now under tyranny.

The winds of civil war in the are strong these days Pelosi said so.


27 posted on 03/20/2011 8:06:49 PM PDT by devistate one four (USC 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Cardhu

I’ll wait and see. This could be another assault on American integrity by Leftist Euro Human Rights organization(s).

Also it is well known the Afghan government uses all sorts of phony ploys to Blackmail the U.S. out of major dollars primarily claiming intentional hits on civilians.

With the Leftist turmoil now occuring around the globe there may be some scam involved to relieve the U.S. of some more capital.

No matter I want to see these Soldiers get a fair trial before I condemn them, or even think of our military in the light suggested by the accusation. I’m a Vet. I believe in our people until proven otherwise.


28 posted on 03/20/2011 8:10:25 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Cardhu
Let's just believe any trash we hear about our troops, no questions asked.

They are guilty by accusation.

BTW, exactly how do you tell from a photo that someone is an "innocent civilian?"

Other than the fact that somebody with an agenda called them that, I mean?

29 posted on 03/20/2011 8:10:56 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yes of course, and the Taliban/Islamist send out “life teams” on combat operations! /s


30 posted on 03/20/2011 8:15:41 PM PDT by TsonicTsunami08
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To: devistate one four
The average age in viet nam was 18.


I thought it was n-n-n-n-nineteen!
31 posted on 03/20/2011 8:17:22 PM PDT by Labour-Watch (www.labour-watch.com)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Obviously you have no idea of this case, read the article of 2009 - then add in 4000 photos.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012712859_civiliandeaths25m.html

Then you may begin to understand why the Army issued this statement.

...”the army said it apologised for the distress caused by photographs “depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States”.

Indeed, repugnant to most human beings.


32 posted on 03/20/2011 8:19:25 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Labour-Watch

Paul Hardcastle - 19

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3LdMAqUMnM


33 posted on 03/20/2011 8:19:55 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Check post #32


34 posted on 03/20/2011 8:21:44 PM PDT by Cardhu
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To: Labour-Watch

I am reading “Nam Vet” making peace with your past
authored by Chuck Dean.

It’s one of the stats he puts forth in the book.

I am notsure of the info.

The book is fabulous, PTSD is the theme.


35 posted on 03/20/2011 8:22:07 PM PDT by devistate one four (USC 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: jz638

I will reserve judgment on the pre-meditated murder case until the facts are in. It’s difficult to tell the innocent from the guilty there and none of us were there. If they murdered civilians they deserve the harshest penalty but they are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

Regardless, taking pictures like this is not smart and does not help their case. It provides the Islamic sympathizers (our media included) a story that promotes their message.


36 posted on 03/20/2011 8:23:09 PM PDT by volunbeer
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To: Labour-Watch

Beat me to it,
“The average age of the combat soldier in world war two was 26, in Vietnam it was Nineteen”!


37 posted on 03/20/2011 8:24:04 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: jz638
"The men America sends into combat are well able to tell the difference and act accordingly.

I am not so sure of that.

I had more than one experience in nam where you couldn't/wouldn't go near mama-san and her 'starving', cute little 'new-born' bomb baby!

38 posted on 03/20/2011 8:24:16 PM PDT by freejohn
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To: volunbeer
Regardless, taking pictures like this is not smart and does not help their case. It provides the Islamic sympathizers (our media included) a story that promotes their message.

The way I see it, it makes the nutcases come out in the open, and makes it easier to pick them off.

39 posted on 03/20/2011 8:24:37 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: devistate one four

Was Chuck Dean the 173rd Airborne commander?


40 posted on 03/20/2011 8:25:01 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: NWFLConservative
God I hope this is not true. If it is, I am ashamed to have served in the same military as these people. Kill all the enemy you can, but don’t kill civilians and FOR DAMN SURE don’t have your picture taken next to them.

Sometimes the enemy looks a lot like civilians. Most Afghan insurgents take pains to do that.

You are totally buying into the liberal left media spin.

41 posted on 03/20/2011 8:26:52 PM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Cardhu

Time is not to distant when we all will have to start our own collections...


42 posted on 03/20/2011 8:27:00 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: crazydad

Never mind I answered my own question. He was with my dad in nam!


43 posted on 03/20/2011 8:28:53 PM PDT by crazydad
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To: crazydad

I do believe that is correct.


44 posted on 03/20/2011 8:30:28 PM PDT by devistate one four (USC 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: Cardhu

I wonder do they look just exactly like the ones Obomb a killed?


45 posted on 03/20/2011 8:32:28 PM PDT by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: pingman

I’m pretty sure the media won’t blame Obummer although they all laid Abu Graib(?) at Bush’s door.


46 posted on 03/20/2011 8:44:45 PM PDT by tiki
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To: devistate one four

The average age of the 58148 soldiers who were killed in Vietnam was 23.11 years, say 24. Where’d you get your 18 from? Put the beer down and fly right.


47 posted on 03/20/2011 9:52:57 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: B4Ranch

Couldn’t be “18”. The enlistment/draft age was “18”. Most Lieutenants would be at least 21-23, minimum, and we lost a lot of them. The higher the rank, the older the soldier.

Don’t believe everything you read about Vietnam because about 50% of it is wrong to start with.

Been there.


48 posted on 03/20/2011 10:24:54 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

THis article is so convoluted I’m not sure what war Boone is writing about.

“Persian New Year”? - That’s Iran, not Afghanistan.

You don’t throw grenades at someone you want to shoot. The grenade would kill you too.

Mullahs just don’t wander down the road in wartime. They’re not that stupid.

How do you tell a civilian from a Taliban relative unless the Talie is dressed in black? The Viet Cong used to dress just like everyone else. You could tell they were VC when you found them with communist weapons.

The Guardian - makes Tass and Pravda seem like amateurs.


49 posted on 03/20/2011 10:30:41 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: devistate one four

If you can find a copy Eric Maria Remarque who wrote
All quiet on the Western Front about the horror
of WW I. also wrote a companian piece called,
The Road Back. In AQWF the hero paul is killed
just as the war ends, but in TRB he survives the
war and has to go home, all the signs of PTSD are
in this companian story, how he copes and how his
comrades don’t, with the change from front line to
peace. Every example I saw after coming from Nam was
already chronicaled in this book.

Warriors today are not allowed trophies so they take
pictures, the enemy who tried to kill you is dead on
the ground and you are alive so that’s what you take,
so that later you can say, look Hill 3XX there is
smitty and bohunk, that was before smitty got it and
the hunk had his legs blown off after being caught
outside the guntub at Khe San...

A whole nother world.


50 posted on 03/20/2011 10:52:47 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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