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Atheist Wants Creationism Teacher Fired
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Posted on 03/22/2011 1:39:26 PM PDT by wizard1358

A Chicago-area atheist is on a crusade to have a high school science teacher fired for teaching creationism in his classroom.

“It has nothing to be dissatisfied,” atheist activist Rob Sherman told the Chicago Tribune. “I’m protecting conquered territory and assisting parents who want the teacher fired by articulating their concerns.”

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1 posted on 03/22/2011 1:39:28 PM PDT by wizard1358
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To: wizard1358

More tolerance on display. I am gonna guess that the atheist in this case is most likely lying outright or stretching the facts to fit his agenda.


2 posted on 03/22/2011 1:42:23 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: wizard1358

“I’m protecting conquered territory and assisting parents who want the teacher fired by articulating their concerns

On who’s authority?


3 posted on 03/22/2011 1:43:15 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: wizard1358

Ok, fair enough.

It this loon gonna back firing any idiot that backs “progressive” economics?

Heck, creationism has a lot more going for it than Obamanomics.

And...methinks one cannot disprove creationism. (Nope, I don’t believe in it...I just don’t think it can be disproved.)

But, one can easily disprove progressive economics.


4 posted on 03/22/2011 1:43:54 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Da Coyote

A lot of atheists are angry at a God that supposedly isn’t there, but which refuses to pay them the convenient favor of ceasing to exist.


5 posted on 03/22/2011 1:48:26 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: pnh102
I bet that this teacher was guilty of teaching Christianity ,if it was Islam he was teaching,nothing wouuld have been said. The Chicago area is being overran by Muslims.
6 posted on 03/22/2011 1:54:17 PM PDT by omegadawn (qualified)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
I like it.

What's the story behind your tagline?

7 posted on 03/22/2011 1:55:02 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: wizard1358
“It has nothing to be dissatisfied,” atheist activist Rob Sherman told the Chicago Tribune. “I’m protecting conquered territory and assisting parents who want the teacher fired by articulating their concerns.”

Mr. Sherman is certainly evidence for the theory of de-evolution.

8 posted on 03/22/2011 1:58:07 PM PDT by mlocher (Is it time to cash in before I am taxed out?)
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To: wizard1358

i had a history teacher that started the school year... baltimore city public 1978... by reading genesis... no big woop... and my algebra teacher prayed for us before every exam...

atheists just can’t comprehend that there miserable lives are their fault for not embracing God’s love.

teeman


9 posted on 03/22/2011 1:59:39 PM PDT by teeman8r (armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: wizard1358

I have always been impressed by people who KNOW God doesn’t exist. It must be amazing to have that much faith in your own knowledge.

I don’t even have that much faith whether or not the sun will come up in the morning, or whether or not I will live through the night. But I KNOW in whom I have believed, and am persuaded.....


10 posted on 03/22/2011 2:03:21 PM PDT by wbarmy (I chose to be a sheepdog once I saw what happens to the sheep.)
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To: Tar Oil

Did you mean “evolution”?


12 posted on 03/22/2011 2:19:10 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Tar Oil

I may agree with that, as long as they take out the big-bang theory and all other beginning of life theories that have no roots in anything real.


13 posted on 03/22/2011 2:26:57 PM PDT by No_More_Harkin
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To: teeman8r

Where miserable lives?

THERE miserable lives.

Their miserable lives?


14 posted on 03/22/2011 2:26:57 PM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Tar Oil

There is much science in the Bible. References to Dinosaurs in Job etc.......... The Bible is scientifically correct and has not been contradicted. Evolution has.


15 posted on 03/22/2011 2:28:35 PM PDT by Bruinator (God is Great.... Beer is good.... Muzzies are.........?)
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To: Dutchboy88
Did you mean “evolution”?

Could be geology.

16 posted on 03/22/2011 2:33:03 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: wizard1358
I’m protecting conquered territory

Wow, this "teacher" has the temerity to actually ADMIT what the game is all about? God-hating statist forces have conquered the schools, and can't allow a "divine foot in the door" (Richard Lewontin, New York Review of Books, "Billions and Billions of Demons"). Stunning.

17 posted on 03/22/2011 2:34:11 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: wizard1358

Teaching creationism is fine so long as it is in the form of discussion. The teacher’s opinions should rarely ever factor into a lesson.

Of course, this atheist rat isn’t concerned about the actual education, just the indoctrination of more snot-nosed commies.


18 posted on 03/22/2011 2:37:15 PM PDT by Soothesayer (smallpox is not a person)
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To: Tar Oil

So called “creationism” is about “Creation” and the “so called science, “evolution” is a theory. It is a lie to teach a theory as a fact, true science is not a lie, it is based on facts.

Back in 1953 (I began my freshman year) they introduced in freshman Geology as saying: “Evolution” was in harmony with the Bible in the order of creation! A sneaky way to get it taught as a fact, not theory!

Baby, we have come a long way! (The wrong way, just look at the facts).

Martin Luther said a few hundred years ago: “Public schools will become the gates of hell if the Bible is not taught.”

Dr. Benjamin Rush, one of the youngest signers of the Declaration of Independance,the first treasurer of the United States, wrote the first Chemistry book in America said: “The Bible should be taught in our public schools, for the good of the students and the nation.”

Just look back at the founders of Yale,Harvard,Princton, etc. and the purpose of founding those great Universities.

I have learned to love:
“Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which were seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:1-3)
“But without faith it is impossible to please Him(God): for he that cometh to God must believe that He(God)is, and that He(God)is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him(God).” (Hebrews 11:6)


19 posted on 03/22/2011 2:38:58 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: wizard1358
The people in hell want iced tea too.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

20 posted on 03/22/2011 2:39:03 PM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: wizard1358

Liberals will think nothing of screwing with your livelihood and ability to feed your family because they disagree with you, or you stood in the way of their agenda.

or killing you.

This is why Stalin, Mao, Hitler, etc etc killed millions


21 posted on 03/22/2011 2:40:06 PM PDT by Mr. K (Job #1 DEFUND THE LEFT then Palin/Bachman 2012 -Unbeatable Ticket~!)
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To: wizard1358

Conquered territory? Wow, really, Mr. Sherman? Are you a Vatican assassin warlock with tiger blood and Adonis DNA, too?


22 posted on 03/22/2011 2:43:28 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: backwoods-engineer

Kinda reminds me of Islam and how it protects land conquered for Allah. If the land is lost in a battle or war then Muslims must fight doubly hard to get it back.

Just think of this teacher teaching creationism as land lost by the atheists who have to fight tooth and nail to get it back.


23 posted on 03/22/2011 2:47:27 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: LetMarch
So called “creationism” is about “Creation” and the “so called science, “evolution” is a theory. It is a lie to teach a theory as a fact, true science is not a lie, it is based on facts.

The scientific reasoning that explains how an machine weighing hundred of tons can go hurtling through the air thousands of feet off the ground is known as the theory of flight. Shall we stop teaching that since, by your definition, it is a lie to teach a theory as fact?

24 posted on 03/22/2011 2:48:15 PM PDT by K-Stater
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To: LetMarch
Dr. Benjamin Rush, one of the youngest signers of the Declaration of Independance,the first treasurer of the United States, wrote the first Chemistry book in America said: “The Bible should be taught in our public schools, for the good of the students and the nation.”
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I absolutely agree with you that education must not be separated from the scriptures. It is a philosophy that I applied to every minute of my children's homeschool day.

However....One of the fundamental principles of Christianity is free will and the freedom to choose. ( Do you remember the painting of Christ knocking at the door. There is no handle on the outside of the door. It is the person, himself, who must open the door from the inside.)

So....The solution is to eliminate government owned and run schools and move to a completely private system of K-12 education . Parents must be free to choose the school that will best supports what is taught in the home.

Our earliest government schools offered to the students a generic and lukewarm Protestantism. It had to be generic and lukewarm in order to appease the many Christian sects of the time.

Well....We **know** what Christ does with the lukewarm. He spits them out of His mouth!

Fundamentally, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a religiously, culturally, and politically neutral education. It is axiomatic. Therefore...When government owns and run schools it will **establish** the religious worldview of the most politically powerful and undermine the worldview of the politically weak. And....The taxpayer is under the threat of police force to pay for establishment of the government's NON-neutral religious, cultural, and political worldview.

ALL government schools were, are now, and always will be, a First Amendment and freedom of conscience abomination.

25 posted on 03/22/2011 2:52:29 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wizard1358

Mr. atheist activist Rob Sherman. So, you know there is no God. So there is no good or evil. We are a comic, cosmic accident and we will soon die. So why do you care about what is taught in a class room?

Of course, Mr. Atheist, you are wrong and that is why the truth upsets you so!


26 posted on 03/22/2011 2:57:10 PM PDT by Rodm
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To: LetMarch
One more thing:

Atheistic Marxism and Islam are our nation's most immediate threat.

The best defense against godless Marxism and Islam is to have a population of citizens who are completely prepared to philosophically and spiritually defend their **specific** Judeo Christian beliefs. That depth of religious education and spiritual development can never happen in a government school that ( at best) would offered up a sprinkle of prayer and scripture in the morning or feed its students a generic and lukewarm pap of Christianity.

ONLY in private schools could a child receive the **depth** of education he needs to stare down both godless Marxism and Islam.

27 posted on 03/22/2011 2:57:50 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wintertime
ONLY in private schools could a child receive the **depth** of education he needs to stare down both godless Marxism and Islam.

I didn't go to a private school, but I think I'll manage.

28 posted on 03/22/2011 3:00:41 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: K-Stater; LetMarch

Letmarch, you are correct, don’t mind the superscilious non-argument.

“The scientific reasoning that explains how an machine weighing hundred of tons”

It’s also observable, a requirement for ALL true (not theory) science. Evolution isn’t science, even remotely. And what you’re talking about are actually scientific LAWS, not theories. Scientific laws are theories that have been tested over and over and have, as of yet, proven irrefutable, with the qualifier that they can be disproven at any time (also a foundational principle of science). Evolution has ZERO observable evidence. Natural selection, sure, but that’s not evolution. Changing from one species to another species NEVER has ever happened. It’s not possible. Even domesticated animals are the same species, by definition of species, as wildy different their traits may be. Our scientific nomenclature has altered over and over to give credence to what we wish do currently define as “species” meaning through DNA rather than other traits, but species are those organisms that will naturally breed and produce nonsterile offspring.

And yes, it IS a LIE to teach theory as fact. It is only a theory, and that’s the only way that science can ever improve, is by not accepting “concensus” and “settled science” just because someone says so. Or people would still believe in alchemy, homunculi and succubi.


29 posted on 03/22/2011 3:04:19 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: tacticalogic
I didn't go to a private school, but I think I'll manage.
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Then you received this instruction some place. It certainly wasn't in a government school....and you were among the lucky few.

The statistic are well know now. More than 85% of children from firm and active evangelical homes will leave their faith within 2 years of graduating from high school. More than 95% of homeschoolers will remain active in their faith.

30 posted on 03/22/2011 3:04:25 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: wizard1358
A Chicago-area atheist is on a crusade

How exactly can or would an atheist be on a "crusade"? Does the reporter even know the meaning of that word?

31 posted on 03/22/2011 3:06:35 PM PDT by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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To: wizard1358
Rob Sherman is an atheist and 'social activist, who is also an entrepreneur. Apparently Rob Sherman loves to receive media attention by suing and/or complaining about what he considers 'injustices', such as a science teacher daring to teach Creationism in a public school. The teacher, Beau Schaefer, was violating state law by 'teaching' Creation. The Fox News story indicates that Mr. Schaefer has agreed to stop doing this terrible, illegal act in his classes. However, atheist warrior Rob Sherman isn't satisfied with that. No, sir. Mr. Shaefer must be tossed out of his teaching job, and right now! I'm sure if that happens, the atheist warrior, Sherman, will try to have Mr. Shaefer's teaching license revoked and, if possible, force the man to pay damages to his students before grovelling at Mr. Sherman's feet, asking to be forgiven. He won't be. More likely, Mr. Sherman would try to have the (now) ex-teacher's home foreclosed on and drive him out of the state. I'm sure Mr. Sherman, the warrior for 'social justice' would pillory Mr. Schaefer or worse, if he thought he could get away with doing so and in this county, today, maybe he could. After all, Schaefer had the temerity to violate state law and, gasp! teach Creationism! Horrors! Let's destroy his career. That'll show these Christians who's in charge around here. Such is the arrogance of today's atheists.
32 posted on 03/22/2011 3:08:15 PM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: No_More_Harkin

“big-bang theory and all other beginning of life theories that have no roots in anything real”

They’re not even close to being science. That’s the problem, they take more suspension of logic, and more “faith” than any creation history. They’re not only not observable, untestable, and illogical, it takes a lot of make believing to even consider them.

(I’ll have to refind the source) I have heard that group of biologists, statsticians, and chemists a few years ago got together and calculated (as best they could) the probability of an event like the ones evolutionists describe, how lightning zapped seawater, etc., etc. to make life begin. They approximated the likelihood to be about as probable as a tornado passing through a junkyard and assembling a fully functional/operating Boeing 747 (all the materials must just be there!).


33 posted on 03/22/2011 3:10:36 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: JDW11235
Or people would still believe in alchemy, homunculi and succubi.

Or creationism.

34 posted on 03/22/2011 3:11:28 PM PDT by K-Stater
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To: wintertime
Then you received this instruction some place. It certainly wasn't in a government school....and you were among the lucky few.

My education didn't stop when I left school, and the necessity of unyielding opposition to the philosophies of Marxism and Islam are readily apparent from history.

I arrived here by using reason to choose ideology, not by using ideology to choose reason. Maybe that makes me weird, but that's how it is.

35 posted on 03/22/2011 3:13:32 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: K-Stater

If only you were half as witty as you wish you were! Creationism isn’t science, it’s faith. Just like evolution. I’d just prefer to put faith in something that has evidence. Prayers are answered everyday, but we have no new life spontaneously erupting. Our discussion is over, have a good day!


36 posted on 03/22/2011 3:14:05 PM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: tacticalogic

So?...The government school was successful in teaching you to think godlessly.


37 posted on 03/22/2011 3:21:01 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: JDW11235
"And yes, it IS a LIE to teach theory as fact. It is only a theory, and that’s the only way that science can ever improve, is by not accepting “concensus” and “settled science” just because someone says so."

Evolution isn't even a 'theory'. It's a logical fallacy known as "affirming the consequent". It works like this. Evolution 'predicts' change. Change is observed, therefore evolution is 'true'.

That is, was and always will be a logical fallacy.

38 posted on 03/22/2011 3:23:24 PM PDT by GourmetDan (Eccl 10:2 - The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.)
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To: wintertime
So?...The government school was successful in teaching you to think godlessly.

It taught me to read. Reading taught me logic and reason. Logic and reason taught me how to tell a good argument from ideological flame bait.

39 posted on 03/22/2011 3:26:22 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: JDW11235
I’d just prefer to put faith in something that has evidence.

Of course you do.

40 posted on 03/22/2011 3:29:58 PM PDT by K-Stater
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To: wizard1358

there is the claim made that the ‘supreme court’ made teaching creationism ‘illegal’

is this true?

imo, a science teacher should provide all reasons for our existence, not just slime-based ones and not just primate-based ones.

What do you want to bet this school has a ‘gay studies’ course?


41 posted on 03/22/2011 3:40:12 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: wizard1358
“I’m protecting conquered territory and . . . ."

I wonder what his position is on open immigration, the border fence, English-only, Sharia courts, and multi-culturalism in general.

42 posted on 03/22/2011 3:41:36 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: K-Stater; LetMarch
The scientific reasoning that explains how an machine weighing hundred of tons can go hurtling through the air thousands of feet off the ground is known as the theory of flight. Shall we stop teaching that since, by your definition, it is a lie to teach a theory as fact?

Your reasoning is faulty. There are always two parts to a theory, the theory itself and the proof of the theory. As an example the theory of gravity is proved by the simple expedient of dropping something and watching it fall, when this happens the theory of gravity becomes fact. When the first aircraft, not the Wright flyer but the many non-powered gliders before that, actually used it's wings to create lift and soared through the air, it proved the theory of flight and it became a fact, one that is proved every day of our lives. Neither evolution or creationism have been proved, they are both theories and one is as valid to be taught in a class as another. Evolution has many liars claims in an attempt to prove it but so far they are all failures. Creationism has also not been proved.

Both theories have their champions that claim they are facts, evolutionists lie about this all the time as if stating it is a proven fact actually makes it so. Creationist also claim that their theory is a fact, but claiming it does not make it so.

One major difference between the two theories is that the fossil record actually disproves evolution(as defined by Darwin)where as there is nothing that disproves Creationism.

No further discussion of this subject is desired.

43 posted on 03/22/2011 3:46:32 PM PDT by calex59
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To: JDW11235

Ignore K-Stater; he is a known troll.


44 posted on 03/22/2011 3:47:49 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: GourmetDan

“And yes, it IS a LIE to teach theory as fact. It is only a theory, and that’s the only way that science can ever improve, is by not accepting “concensus” and “settled science” just because someone says so.”

Like Global warming? (just another example of hypocracy from the left)


45 posted on 03/22/2011 3:50:45 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: K-Stater; JDW11235

Hey K-Stater....

JDW put you on the money. There is nothing about evolution that adheres to the scientific method.

How many fruit flies do they have to radiate to find out that what they end up with are fruit flies, damaged fruit flies and dead fruit flies?

The theory of evolution, if true, would violate the following laws of nature:

Law of Biogenesis
Law of Cause and Effect
Law of the Conservation of Matter
1st Law of Thermodynamics
2nd Law of Thermodynamics

It also flies in the face of Information Theory. What is observed in Science Labs is that no new genetic information is added by mutation... and since natural selection can only select from traits that already exist, there is no known mechanism that would take a “magic cell” that made itself in a mud puddle and turn it into an amoeba, much less a human being.

The theory of evolution is a story that attempts to come up with a way to figure out how we got here without a creator.

Thats all it is.... a story. It belongs in philosophy class, not science class.


46 posted on 03/22/2011 3:54:50 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: backwoods-engineer

I believe I see Fibonacci numbers in your handle.....


47 posted on 03/22/2011 3:56:05 PM PDT by schaef21
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To: calex59
No further discussion of this subject is desired.

Darn. Because your post was very amusing; I'd hoped for more.

48 posted on 03/22/2011 3:57:36 PM PDT by K-Stater
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To: schaef21

You see more than I see then! I chose my handle because a) I am an engineer, and b) I grew up in the back woods, and hope to escape this godforsaken suburb one day and return.


49 posted on 03/22/2011 3:58:02 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: calex59

And your reasoning is not only wrong, it is in error. Just because we call it science does not make it science, and just because we call it a theory does not make it a theory.

Actually, the Holy Scriptures says: “Let God be true, and all men be liers.

You & I both will like: “O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called.” (1 Timothy 6:20)
Another is in Revelation 3:1b; “I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.”

And another: “Come now, and let us reason together saith the LORD,..... (Isaiah 1:18a)

Creation itself is proof that there is a designer, and His beautiful creation was perfect at the beginning, but it has not evolved,but degenerated year by year.

Also: “By the Word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.” (Psalm 33:6)

Yes, If I’m in error, I’ll choose: “The heavens declare the glory od God, and the firmament sheweth His handiwork.”(Psalm 19:1)

Sorry I did not see your final note, until I had made my final notes!


50 posted on 03/22/2011 4:22:46 PM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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