Skip to comments.Germans Pull Forces Out of NATO as Libyan Coalition Falls Apart
Posted on 03/22/2011 6:53:59 PM PDT by 11th_VA
Deep divisions between allied forces currently bombing Libya worsened today as the German military announced it was pulling forces out of NATO over continued disagreement on who will lead the campaign.
A German military spokesman said it was recalling two frigates and AWACS surveillance plane crews from the Mediterranean, after fears they would be drawn into the conflict if NATO takes over control from the U.S.
The infighting comes as a heated meeting of NATO ambassadors yesterday failed to resolve whether the 28-nation alliance should run the operation to enforce a U.N.-mandated no-fly zone, diplomats said.
Yesterday a war of words erupted between the U.S. and Britain after the U.K. government claimed Muammar Gaddafi is a legitimate target for assassination.
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I think this was supposed to raise Obambi’s approval rating. Epic Fail.
This is the worst fiasco since Iraq. What a joke. These people did nothing to US — nothing that is proven. Who do we think we are? The UN resolution means nothing!!! It is our Constitution and the War Powers Act that govern us. We need to GET OUT OF THE UN!!! We need to GET OUT OF THESE ARAB COUNTRIES!!. No Blood — No money. If they screw with us we turn them to GLASS!!
I can think of others more dangerous to our Republic... but I will leave it at that!
“I want this in the Off-Road package.”
Indeed. But see if the dealer will throw in a one year’s supply of ammo for free.
He can't even handle the leadership role he already has!
wow, if their was EVER an argument against affirmative action in college admissions Obama is it!
It’s not The Libyan Coalition. It’s The Obama Coalition.
And the Germans have been our allies since they surrendered at Pearl Harbor. No good!
Why? To salvage 0dumb0's skinny incompetent kenyan negro ass and put our military at risk?
And why should we spend billions of dollars that we don't have anyway, to bomb Gaddafi & Libya? Let the muzzies kill each other off. And let the Arab League or whatever they're called to handle & pay for it themselves.
The Germans aren't stupid. They know what an idiot Barry Hussein Obongo is and they aren't going to waste time, money and lives on Obongo's theatrical attempt to pose as sagacious manly "leader" of the West by attacking Libya. Germany and Europe now realize that Obongo has no intention of winning this "war" and securing Europe's access to Libyan oil.
This "war" is for diminishing the US Armed Forces' material (missles, bombs, funds etc.) and for humiliating NATO and ripping apart the alliance -- particularly with the British and Germany.
He’s got the Midas touch.
Everything he touches turns into a rusty muffler.
If you really think it'll help...
Love shack ba-aaa-byyyy!
and yet the Germans are right here, we have no business here in a war which is illegal because he did not get congress to vote on this and no a letter from a vacation does not cut it
weird hey how the world is going to crap since the messiah came to power, but but but I thought all is well and we are loved.
The sad part is that there are those out there who still today think obama is good and then there are those who have no clue which the left buses to the voting booth
because they see this as a waste of time and can;’t understand why the hell what we’re doing there waging war from a man who was on vacation in Brazil in Rio with his family and mother in law and her friend on our dime
Maybe they see the bigger picture of Soros , Petrobas and a deal struck with oil with our tax money
I’m just waiting for the loon left to state this was all a diversion
the headline is somewhat misleading. it makes it seems like the Germans left NATO entirely and have withdrawmn from the alliance a la the French. They just moved a couple boats and a plane out of the area to avoid being requisitioned. Germany is still very much in NATO.
And I do have to say that imo some of the criticism of Obama on this is overdone. So far there’s been 0 US casualties, it’s barely cost anything, and it’s only been going on for 4 days. W’s war in Iraq resulted in over 4,000 dead, over 30,000 wounded, and close to a trillion dollars and most conservatives and Republicans had no problem with it and cheered it on at every step. Obama has a way to go to reach that.
Lets see what happens. If Qadaffi is gone in a few days or even weeks and there aren’t any US casualties this will seen as a huge success.
It’s still too early to tell.
Bush Sr. said “this will not stand”.....and we drove the Iraqi military out of Kuwait.
Obama says “this will not stand” ......and NATO falls apart.
Bush had what....26 coalition members?
Obieboy has, I think 6....now down to 5?
Two Pictures of Leadership
Guess Barack was right when he said this thing would be over in a couple days.
Time to send in the B-52s.
Why? To salvage 0dumb0’s skinny incompetent kenyan negro ass and put our military at risk?
And why should we spend billions of dollars that we don’t have anyway, to bomb Gaddafi & Libya? Let the muzzies kill each other off. And let the Arab League or whatever they’re called to handle & pay for it themselves.
That’s right. 0bama has already stirred up the Muslim hornet’s nest.....on purpose.
Here we go. People better get used to this, because this is what happens when America abrogates their Leadership.
The world is going to miss the United States.
I'll bet the scorned Winston Churchill bust is laughing its plaster off.
Seemed that Ike did it pretty well, but he learned how to multi-task while doing that pesky little chore in Europe before he was elected.
Everyone is racist. It's a normal and natural self defense mechanism.
Birds of a feather flock together.
Merkel “disses” the Kenyan. LOL! Good for her.
Or, did you outsource this fiasco to the morons on your so-called “staff” before you went on vacation to South America?
“The choice is between being human and being a Muslim”
Bullseye! You are correct, sir!
My God, is it really as bad as this article makes it sound?
This is (or should be) a European problem. Ghadaffi is right on their border and this just shows how mature the Europeans have become.
We got lots of help from them in Iraq and Afghanistan, didn’t we? And their GDP is larger than USA’s.
Remember that while Obama was out playing golf, vacationing, visiting other continents it was Clinton crisscrossing the Atlantic helping set this up.
The honeymoon is over, Hussein.
I agree about the honeymoon being over. But 0bama doesn’t care. He’ll continue with his destruction and no one will be able to stop him.
We’re headed into The Perfect Storm.
My God, is it really as bad as this article makes it sound?
It’s only to get worse. We’re on Easy Street compared to what’s coming.
Obama didn't cobble together anything. Hillary drew this up on cocktail napkins then talked Mr. Do-nothing into it.
The lazy being led by the incompetent.
*Wont it be great when the Muslim Brotherhood takes over and we can have sharia law all over the Middle East.*
It’s gonna happen sooner or later anyway—why wait until they ALL have nukes?
Let ‘em unite, coordinate, invade someone and kick off WWIII for real, yo. Then nuke the bastids.
He could have actually been involved in the planning instead of giving the Ok from the golf course, while being briefed between holes.
OK, these guys probably hate the USA and would backstab us in a heartbeat via Sharia Law and all but Damn you gotta admire 'em. They weld an Anti-aircraft gun in the back of a compact pickup and look for something to shoot at!
Thank you very much for posting this again.
It bears repeating lest we forget.
Caddy: "Barack baby...you teed up on an addled duck egg"
I’m not saying it won’t be a disaster or turn into one. I’m just saying 4 days in is too soon to tell. What if Qadaffi is killed or deposed tomorrow? None of us know what will happen. Anything can happen. I remember how 4 days in to Afghanistan and Iraq the media was already declaring both to be failures and inevitable US defeats. How the operations were already botched.
I have no love for Obama and I’m perfectly willing to go after him on this. I just think we should at least wait and see what happens. If it goes bad there won’t any room for him to hide, there will plenty of time to go after him, and he’ll have plenty of time to fill out his 2013 bracket while watching Romney, Huckabee, Gingrich or Palin on ESPN.
I just don’t see the rush.
One thing I will go after him now for is that his is 100% unconstitutional and the GOP should go after him on that immediately. The House should call Gates, CLinton, Mullen, etc... up for testimony immediately. He’s launched an unconstitutional war and that should be taken care of. Go after on that, not on the results or consequences.
Libya is another community Obama can’t organize.
This is a military operation now. It appears to have shocked certain people that a nice, sterile "no-fly" zone could actually involve taking out the opposition, although no one who watched Iraq could possibly have been mistaken in the matter. It appears to be surprising people who should know better that military operations work best in a strict hierarchy with a single individual making the decisions at the top. They don't work well by committee.
Mr. B. Hussein 0bama is the President of the United States. What he needs to do is declare U.S. interests and pursue them. Not UN interests, not idiotic R2P internationalist theory, but what the people who are doing the shooting expect to accomplish. With any sort of leadership the forces in theater could crush Gaddafi in days. With no leadership, this happens.
Collective security is only as strong as the determination of its constituent members allows. Here it has failed. It has failed through incompetent leadership, through each of the "allies" if one can use that word, pursuing his own separate interests. It has failed because the arrogant, grinning fools besotted with "soft power" and diplomatic solutions now find themselves actually in charge of military activity instead of second-guessing and Viewing With Alarm, and they aren't up to the job.
This was supposed to be a slam-dunk, a chance for an effeminate, self-absorbed Caesar to ride the lead chariot in front of real soldiers in the triumphal parade. Given the preponderance of pure power it would take someone of fantastic incompetence to screw it up. Mailing it in from Rio, 0bama managed even that.
What 11th_VA is saying is what I'm reading here in Germany, too.
The bottom line looks to be that Italy and Norway won't do anything unless NATO has upper command of the operation, while some countries feel that NATO, because of it's action against muslims in Afghanistan, would be bad PR for the muslim rebels in Libya.
Reading between the lines, it looks like there is a push to bring Qatar and the UAE into the forefront, but the UAE is dragging its heels. Obama has said that the US is going to drop it's command role after the initial strikes to take down Libya AA capacity and no one seems to know who will fill the void.
The whole cluster...k can becomes apparent when you read that France calls the operation "Harmattan". the British call it "Ellamy" and the US call it "Odyssey Dawn".
I think that Germany is pulling ships from the Mediterranean because it now appears that NATO ships will be used to enforce a blockade of Libya. IOW mission creep.
Merkel has sufferred some very embarrasing scandals such as her heir apparent and defense minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg (AKA zu Googleberg) having been caught out as amateurishly plagiarizing his doctor thesis and a vicious round of fingerpointing between her government and automakers after the new introduction of E10 biofuel was shown to damage or not run in some older cars.
She has a very big state election coming up Sunday and just doesn't need the risk of another display of ineptitude right now.
These are just my thoughts on the matter.
Well in all honesty it IS hard to land in a sandstorm..
Why wouldn't Obama want to lead this coalition? As a senator, he gained so much experience!
FactCheck: Campaign prevented committee meetings, not rules Obama said that he did not convene any policy hearings as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committees Subcommittee on European Affairs because the issues of Afghanistan, the issues of Iraq, critical issues like that dont go through my subcommittee because theyre done as a committee as a whole.
FACT CHECK: An Obama adviser acknowledged in March that Obamas presidential candidacy prevented him from calling hearings, saying to ABC News: The record is what it is. He didnt become chairman of that subcommittee until January of 2007. The fact is that he made his announcement for president of the US in February of 2007. So, he had other things on his mind.
Source: FactCheck.org on 2008 first presidential debate-Boston Globe Sep 26, 2008
At least he's consistent--he has other things on his mind now, too.
Source: 2007 Democratic primary debate on This Week Aug 19, 2007