Skip to comments.Ominous Signals on Libya: A Response to Andrew Sullivan
Posted on 03/26/2011 9:45:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo
Ominous Signals on Libya: A Response to Andrew Sullivan
Posted By David Horowitz On March 26, 2011 @ 12:04 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage
Andrew Sullivan takes exception to my observations that we are on a fools errand in Libya and a dangerous one. The other day I took issue with neo-conservatives who had learned nothing from failed attempts to create Western-style democracies in Muslim cultures. I had pointed to recent experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza (let alone Turkey) and warned that our military invasion of Libya could lead to the creation of an al-Qaeda aligned totalitarian state. Here is how the Atlantics Andrew Sullivan characterized these thoughts:
It looks as if David Horowitz has left the neocons and become an anti-Islam nationalist; . he looks at the eruption in the Middle East and wants the dictators back.
Nice spin Andrew.
First, I am not against people whose religion is Islam. Im just a pragmatic realist who notes that in fifteen hundred years Islamic cultures have a very poor track record in creating democracies and that the emerging Islamic movements in the Arab Middle East are without exception totalitarian, jihadist and also Jew-hating, women-hating and gay-hating.
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Send andrew over to iran to negotiate. Should be interesting.
Israel didn’t send in troops to protect Mubarak and it’s not likely to send in troops to protect Gadaffi.
Let unsaid, is that Andrew Sullivan is as queer as a three dollar bill.. and is a Normal-phobe..
When all of these little spats are over ,Muslims (radical Muslims of the Al Quaeda sort) will be in charge of the Middle East .
Their first trial will come when they openly attack Israel and get cooked by the radiation from the Nuclear bombs. Muslims don’t really care how many die, they can always breed more.
Anyone who believes that there will be a Thriving Democracy in any of these countries is not a fool, but a damned fool.
Christians had better leave while the leaving is good. Church’s here should be taking up collections and seeking sponsors to get their people the hell out of there.
Typical David Horowitz, more information in half a page than most manage in 5 pages. I find it interesting that Samantha Power is back in the “in” crowd with the 0bama White House. I also find it interesting that Soros, when one of his shills is CinC, can find a way to invade a sovereign nation.
Power was right about Rwanda; 5 officers from the San Antonio Police could have stopped that. Every genocide/massacre isn’t Rwanda, though. Unless 0bama is your guy.
Where is the islamic UN and their R2P?
They have all the programs and parrot all the western words for Islam and yet nothing for the Christians of the Mideast, Africa and the Balkans.
The US and the West needs to be out of this farcical organization.
This was how we imposed lasting change in Germany and Japan. The lack of these elements in Iraq and Afghanistan are why they will revert to traditional modes of government when our troops leave. Bush's lack of leadership and historical knowledge combined with traditional State Department backstabbing are why our trillion-dollar investment in those two countries will result in two countries that are only marginally less hostile to us than they were when we initially invaded. This is why GWB is a less capable executive than his father, who presided over two wars - Just Cause and Desert Storm - at minimal cost in men and money (and even managed to get $60b from Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Japan to cover Desert Storm expenses). GWB got minimal support from allies after devastating attacks on American soil, and managed to spend $1.2T in two wars that are ongoing a decade after he started the first one.
And for Horowitz to call himself a Realist is absurdity.
This isnt about Libya. It goes well beyond the borders of that nation. Obama has taken power from the US and used it to help consolidate the path of Islam for its c a l i p h a t e.
Obama has taken America into a snare.
I think the definition of a neocon is someone who thinks that if we just remove an existing dictatorship, Western-style democratic rule will automatically ensue. This goes against our experience in Japan and Germany. Armed resistance came to an end after we killed millions of their military men and civilians* (via strategic bombing). American generals ruled those countries for years. They dictated what Japanese and German schools could put in their textbooks. They rewrote the countries' laws. They broke up existing conglomerates. A lot of coercive colonial-style diktats (i.e. STFU and do what you're told) were laid down in Japan and Germany that we never did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
It's pretty unbelievable that neo-con Republicans are blundering into yet another morass. It's as if we were doing a re-run of the 1979 Iranian revolution. Only now, instead of doing their own fighting, the Khomeinists have Western air forces helping them topple the Shah.
* The civilians screamed defiance when interviewed, but fell into line like sheep after their respective regimes surrendered. Why? The unpleasant truth is that the millions of civilian dead over a period of years from blast and shrapnel wounds had a cumulatively demoralizing effect. At war's end, Axis civilians had had enough.
There was no time emergency that required Obomber to bomb before he sought Congressional permission.
We don't have to go back 1500 years. All we have to do is look at two Muslim countries in which we have invested $1.2T and put hundreds of thousands of GI's in-country. Iraq and Afghanistan.
"The doctrine under which Hillary Clinton persuaded Obama to invade a sovereign country and thereby to disregard his Secretary of Defense (an actual pragmatist on Obamas ship of state) is called Responsibility to Protect. It is the invention of NSC adviser Samantha Power and her patron George Soros. Soros describes the doctrine like this:
If governments abuse the authority entrusted to them and citizens have no opportunity to correct such abuses, outside interference is justified. By specifying that sovereignty is based on the people, the international community can penetrate nation-states borders to protect the rights of citizens.
So Hillary, Samantha Power and Susan Rice, with Soros blessing, invade Libya while Obama votes present.
So next we 'protect' the Palestinians in Gaza from big bad Israel and invade Israel. Check. Next it's on to those right wingers here in our own country. Check. . . Well, we need to protect D.C. don't we?
As Savage said, quoting Isaiah 3:1-15: "A babe is their master and women rule over them. ..."
This is absolutely the beginning of WW III - no doubt about it. Before this is over either Israel we be gone or some other countries will be gone.
You are correct. We should have elected either John McCain or Al Gore.
So Obama, the whole Marxist-Muslim schtick has been planned all along? Got it. . . We're on to you. . . November 6, 2012. . .
That the alternatives were John McCain and Al Gore is a sad commentary on either the electoral system or the electorate. Then again, this is the country that picked Clinton over the elder Bush and then Dole. I'm gonna to have to say that the electorate ain't what it used to be. Democracies get the leaders they deserve. I'm hoping that we never elect someone like Juan Peron or Salvador Allende (although Obama comes pretty darned close).
Remember also regarding WWII: Of our population then of 160 million, and fully 16 million served in uniform, many by conscription.
IOW we got the resources to make SURE the job got done.
Now, we try to use machines, instead of people, and we ARE not getting the job done. And of course we feel so guilty to harm a hair on the head of the innocent civilians.
We are still supposedly looking for bin Laden in Afghanistan nearly ten years later.
The minute the troop levels drop too low, Iraq, Afghanistan and Libya will revert to their islamic dictatorship of some kind, and they won’t like the US, at all.
Every dollar and every life from America will have been wasted.
If we aren’t going to do the job, why stir up these hornets nests regarding us?
Why not just stand aside and let muslims focus on killing muslims?
Especially so in Libya, as it is not clearly known that rebel forces are on our side at all. In fact they may be more our enemies than Gadaffy.