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Ominous Signals on Libya: A Response to Andrew Sullivan
Front Page Mag ^ | Mar 26, 2011 | David Horowitz

Posted on 03/26/2011 9:45:40 AM PDT by KeyLargo

Ominous Signals on Libya: A Response to Andrew Sullivan

Posted By David Horowitz On March 26, 2011 @ 12:04 am In Daily Mailer,FrontPage

Andrew Sullivan takes exception to my observations that we are on a fool’s errand in Libya and a dangerous one. The other day I took issue with neo-conservatives who had learned nothing from failed attempts to create Western-style democracies in Muslim cultures. I had pointed to recent experiences in Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon and Gaza (let alone Turkey) and warned that our military invasion of Libya could lead to the creation of an al-Qaeda aligned totalitarian state. Here is how the Atlantic’s Andrew Sullivan characterized these thoughts:

“It looks as if David Horowitz has left the neocons and become an anti-Islam nationalist; …. he looks at the eruption in the Middle East and wants the dictators back.”

Nice spin Andrew.

First, I am not against people whose religion is Islam. I’m just a pragmatic realist who notes that in fifteen hundred years Islamic cultures have a very poor track record in creating democracies and that the emerging Islamic movements in the Arab Middle East are without exception totalitarian, jihadist and also Jew-hating, women-hating and gay-hating.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: horowitz; interventionists; islam; libya; neocons; obama; soros; sullivan; war
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To: ratsreek
"Soros hates Jews"

Remember back when the NeoCons commonly referred to James Baker as an Arabist. But after he co-chaired the Iraq Study Group he was called Jew hater.

51 posted on 03/27/2011 6:25:52 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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To: ratsreek
The difference is that during the reconstruction of Western Europe and Japan, they were purchasing American goods for the reconstruction and development of their economic stability thereafter. Therefore, much of that money returned to the U.S.. The boost in the American economy extended well beyond the years of the Marshall plan which ended in 1952. The U.S. post-WWII boom was fired by European demand for goods. That has not been nor will it be the case in the ME

Buying some of our goods does not constitute payment* (or gratitude), especially if we had to extend huge loans on easy payment terms (the Marshall Plan) for them to do it, and we were the sole source for the machine tools they had to buy in order to rebuild (or not buy and become agrarian societies). Europeans imposed stiff tariffs on US goods during the reconstruction period, and we went along with it. Even today, there are all kinds of non-tariff barriers on American imports, which is why US manufacturers had to set up factories in Europe to sell to Europeans. The upshot can be seen in the EU-US trade balance - we've run a trade deficit averaging $80B with the EU for the past decade.

* If doing business with a creditor is considered repayment, maybe I should suggest to my local bartender that my continued patronage constitutes payment for my yard-long bar tab.

52 posted on 03/27/2011 11:25:28 AM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: Zhang Fei

I didn’t say it was repayment. I’m saying we benefited financially by the Marshall Plan to a much greater extent than we would have had we not created such a huge market for our goods. By granting and loaning money to Western Europe for reconstruction, we created a huge market for American goods that we would not otherwise have had, at least not until many, many years later. I’m not saying all that profit went into the public coffers as repayment, but billions upon billions sloshed around the American economy that we otherwise would not have collected. Income is income. Much of it ended up from whence it came, which was the pockets of the American public instead of in the public treasury. In my opinion, that’s a GOOD thing.

As those countries rebuilt, they developed banking and currency systems for investemnt. Those domestic investments generated greater demand for American goods, and most of the income to America was generated through European domestic investment, not simply as a rebate of our loans and grants. That demand and income to America generated millions of jobs through investment in industry which generated even more demand for goods for our domestic market. We got our money back exponentially, it just got paid to the U.S. market instead of directly back to the government.

Now, if you think the reconstruction of Europe and Japan did NOT fuel the American economy to a degree not seen since the Industrial Revolution, then we should just end our dialogue.


53 posted on 03/27/2011 2:42:54 PM PDT by ratsreek
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To: screaminsunshine
>>> However it is compatible with Theocratic Communism. <<<

I don't think our theocratic communist friends Putin and Medvedev would hold that view. Russians have suffered great harm from radical Islam....and some of their biggest problems are Muslim's in the Balkans and some of the former Soviet Republics in SE Russia; Uzbekistan - Kazakhstan - etc.

The fact is Islam is incompatible with Western civilization - Period. It must undergo drastic reform or be stamped out.

54 posted on 03/27/2011 8:12:50 PM PDT by HardStarboard (I'm sure George and Dick had quiet smiles while watching the election results!)
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