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Why libs are lovin' the birthers: Is The Donald a secret agent for the Dems? (Clarence spins it)
The Chicago Tribune ^ | March 30, 2011 | Clarence Page

Posted on 03/29/2011 7:05:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Donald Trump has joined the "birthers," the odd movement that questions President Barack Obama's Hawaii birth certificate. That's a good way for the celebrity billionaire to appear as though he's making a serious run for the Republican presidential nomination, which he says he is considering. It also makes him sound like a secret agent for the Democrats.

That oddly credible possibility has been raised by frustrated conservatives like radio talk-show host John Gibson, who sounded furious earlier this week at the way birthers make Republicans look like the crazy party.

That unfortunate image only hurts the party's chances with the sensible independent swing voters it needs to win general elections. Now Trump is bringing even more attention to the birthers. Surely, Gibson speculated, tongue only partly in cheek, Trump sounds like some sort of RINO, a Republican-in-name-only who's secretly trying to help Obama.

Robert Schlesinger, opinion editor at U.S. News and World Report, similarly asked in a blog whether Trump is "really an Obama sleeper agent."

Indeed, if Obama is not directly supporting Trump, he has good reason to root secretly for the birther movement, whose backing Trump seeks....

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; democrats; donaldtrump; naturalborncitizen; obama; pawlenty; secretagent; trump
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Or is Clarence an Obot trying to cover for Barry's biggest weakness? Guess we'll see how it plays out...
1 posted on 03/29/2011 7:05:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oh? So we’re the crazies?


2 posted on 03/29/2011 7:07:22 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The issue of Natural Born Citizen was brought against John McCain long before Barrack was nominated to the DNC as a Presidential Candidate.

In fact, in order to place McCain on the ballot, the United States Senate went so far as to craft the Senate Resolution 511 proclaiming John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.

There is a cloud over Barrack's birth, to be sure.  But the fact that still remains is his birth was of a divided nationality British and American.  One is wholly one thing or another but not completely two things at the same time.

Senate Resolution 511

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

 Now, let us take this simple and explore its hidden meaning.

 Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

They apparently have read the Constitution and have zeroed in on one clause that no law or legislative body has the right to amend.

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

 The term ‘natural born citizen’ is not defined, however other rulings by the Supreme Court, Congress, and other writings from such as John Bingham, do define what a ‘natural born citizen’ is. For sake of space I will only quote the following.

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z…

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they claimed to have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

 It sounds nice, but means nothing? Some fluff but again means nothing.

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

 Whom are they referring to, that was born ‘outside’ the United States and who deemed them eligible?

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

So the Senate gave by law, what nature failed to do. Would that not be a ‘naturalized’ citizenship?

So the Senate deemed that two (2) American or US Citizen parents was an essential to the definition of a ‘natural born citizen’ that was not defined in the Constitution. So how did they deem that the issue was being born outside the jurisdiction of the United States if they had no definition or requirements of what ‘constituted’ a ‘natural born citizen?’ It seems like they know the definition, but are hoping the American public doesn’t. There is but one defintion that a ‘natural born citizen’ has to have citizen parents and being born in country and that is Vattel’s Law of Nations.

As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the body’s approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.

Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.

“Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.”

The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their ‘Gentlemen’s Agreement’, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim “Oh, what a good boy am I.”

Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.

More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCain’s eligibility based on  being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is ‘born in country’. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.

Where is there a definition as to a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattel’s Law of Nations.

Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States. 

Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by the United States Constitution?


3 posted on 03/29/2011 7:07:47 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Expecting a President to have a valid birth certificate is so extreme.

You need a birth certificate to get a drivers license or a passport, but not to be President.

Everybody knows that.

4 posted on 03/29/2011 7:11:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("...crush the bourgeoisie... between the millstones of taxation and inflation." --Vladimir Lenin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The rational people are the ones who would let any old Barack become president, while the crazies are the ones who want the most powerful man in the world to stop hiding his background...


5 posted on 03/29/2011 7:13:27 PM PDT by WPaCon (Obama: pansy progressive, mad Mohammedan, or totalitarian tyrant? Or all three?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That unfortunate image only hurts the party's chances with the sensible independent swing voters it needs to win general elections.

If this is true, then by their line of reasoning, the socialists should be more than happy to maximize their advantage by discussing the issue 24/7. They should be flooding the airwaves only talking about BO/BS never producing a birth certificate. They can also throw in BO/BS fraudulently using Social Security numbers to ensure the RATs victory next November.
6 posted on 03/29/2011 7:14:24 PM PDT by Defend Liberty
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The DU folks bought the Trump Birth certificate fake hook line and sinker. This is great entertainment. Thank you Donald .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=433x639847
appears instead to be a hospital “certificate of birth,” meaning the piece of paper the hospital gave to his family saying he was born. Such a document typically has the signature of the hospital administrator and the attending physician.

Trump lawyer and advisor Michael Cohen didn’t respond to Haberman’s question about the document.

Trump’s mother, it should be noted, was born in Scotland, which is not part of the United States. His plane is registered in the Bahamas, also a foreign country. This fact pattern — along with the wave of new questions surrounding what he claims is a birth certificate — raises serious doubts about his eligibility to serve as President of the United States.


7 posted on 03/29/2011 7:14:24 PM PDT by ncfool (The new USSA - United Socialst States of AmeriKa. Welcome to Obummers world or Obamaville USSA.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wouldn’t vote for Trump for dogcatcher but I have to give him credit. He is the only person of influence and some fame to take on the issue.

Well conservatives have but they are of course just dismissed by the media.

Actually Trump might make a good dog catcher.


8 posted on 03/29/2011 7:15:36 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Clarence is an Obot in panic mode. Trump has broken down the left’s Berlin Wall around Barak Hussein Obama’s origins.

I so despise these Democrats posing as journalists.


9 posted on 03/29/2011 7:15:36 PM PDT by wistful
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hillary wants to run and this is how she gets O out of the way:)


10 posted on 03/29/2011 7:16:08 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: Vendome
As an American citizen, I have a right to see his credentials that qualify him to be president. Obama's unwillingness to produce them is an effrontery to the law, the Constitution and the citizens of this country. What, is Obama saying that he is above the law? Is he better than the law? His not producing the proper documents is the equivalent of a local politician, after being pulled over by the police for weaving in his lane, saying "Do you know who I am?" We are all citizens, and we Americans take exception to that.
11 posted on 03/29/2011 7:17:51 PM PDT by fhayek
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To: ncfool
Trump's real Birth Certificate.
12 posted on 03/29/2011 7:17:56 PM PDT by wistful
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Q: Did he travel to Pakistan in 1981, at age 20?
A : Yes, by his own admission.

Q: What passport did he travel under?
A: There are only three possibilities.
1) He traveled with a U.S. ... Passport,
2) He traveled with a British passport, or
3) He traveled with an Indonesia passport.

Q: Is it possible that Obama traveled with a U.S. Passport in 1981?
A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. .. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.

Conclusion: When Obama went to Pakistan in 1981 he was traveling either with a British passport or an Indonesian passport.

If he were traveling with a British passport that would provide proof that he was born in Kenya on August 4, 1961, not in Hawaii as he claims. And if he were traveling with an Indonesian passport that would tend to prove that he relinquished whatever previous citizenship he held, British or American, prior to being adopted by his Indonesian step-father in 1967.


13 posted on 03/29/2011 7:18:37 PM PDT by crz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well Trump is a member of Clan McCleod. If I see him with a big sword he may be the one.


14 posted on 03/29/2011 7:18:46 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: ncfool

Holy crap. After having read that link, they (DU) really are that clueless and YEARS behind on this issue.

They are in for a shocker.


15 posted on 03/29/2011 7:19:22 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: fhayek

Ya damn right! And I like your economic theories better Mubarak Obama’s.


16 posted on 03/29/2011 7:19:46 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: wistful

More likely Trump is working for the Clintons to push Zero out of the way.

The ‘experts’ yesterday from the LSM said that Trump had only shown a Certificate of Live Birth and that wasn’t enough.

So he Trumps them today with the real deal he had all along.

Now the LSM won’t ask Obama or hold him to the same standard as Trump?


17 posted on 03/29/2011 7:20:52 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"sensible independent swing voters"

Isn't that sort of an oxymoron?

18 posted on 03/29/2011 7:20:59 PM PDT by Celtic Cross (Some minds are like cement; thoroughly mixed up and permanently set...)
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To: ncfool

Yeah, Trump is going to hammer them when he walks down to the NYC register of deeds with the View ladies and obtains his real birth certificate, while asking Obama to do the same in Hawaii.

What I think the libs like Page don’t realize is that people don’t like the fact Barry doesn’t subscribe to American pride and exceptionalism. The whole birther thing didn’t fit the narrative three years ago because no one knew Obama. Now that we’ve seen him in action, people can easily understand that this guy governs from the perspective of a guy who grew up a muslim in Indonesia.

The birther thing isn’t going to go away.


19 posted on 03/29/2011 7:21:24 PM PDT by SteveAustin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Intelligent voters want to know. Why can’t the rest of America see that Barry is a fraud?


20 posted on 03/29/2011 7:23:00 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Cold Heart

The great thing about that is that the black voters would stay away in droves. Can you say “President” Palin?


21 posted on 03/29/2011 7:24:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: fhayek

The funniest line I ever heard was when I was a Sheriff Explorer and Officer I was riding with pulled over some guy and asked for his registration and I.D.

They guy says “Do you know who I am?”

And the officer replies “Well, you appear to be an amnesia victim. If you’ll hand me your I.D. we can all be certain who you really are”.

I tried so hard not to laugh and when we got back in the car to run his license and registration I broke out laughing.


22 posted on 03/29/2011 7:25:13 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: SteveAustin

Here’s his official long form BC:

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/TrumpCertificate.pdf


23 posted on 03/29/2011 7:26:59 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Have to disagree. Charles Rangel, re-elected. Marion Barry, re-elected. The guy from New Orleans with 100K USD in his freezer, re-elected.

And the cornerstone of racial preference: OJ walks.


24 posted on 03/29/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (He hate me.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Why libs are lovin' the birthers

LMAO

Liberals are just waking up to this.

25 posted on 03/29/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: crz

“A: No. It is not possible. Pakistan was on the U.S. .. State Department’s “no travel” list in 1981.”

I bet you do not have a source for that “fact.”


26 posted on 03/29/2011 7:28:54 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Cold Heart

Good luck. She was part of his admin and is just as guilty as he is. Guilt by association.


27 posted on 03/29/2011 7:32:24 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: trumandogz

Posted on 31...


28 posted on 03/29/2011 7:33:30 PM PDT by crz
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To: Avery Iota Kracker

Those were black politicians. If Hillary eased Barry out of the way, don’t you think many blacks would be furious?


29 posted on 03/29/2011 7:33:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: trumandogz

Trumandogz came back out from under his rock I see. have you seen james777 lately? he seems to have vanished.


30 posted on 03/29/2011 7:36:24 PM PDT by Lachisula
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To: Vendome

You know what I love best about all of these guys? They will extrapolate any theory about anybody except for one. Why doesn’t Obama just show his birth certificate. They just can’t seem to get their head around that one.


31 posted on 03/29/2011 7:38:22 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: crz

Again, horsesh*t! There was no such travel ban. I’ve posted the evidence of that numerous times here at FR. Please look it up. Stop perpetuating this rumor.

It was very easy for Americans to travel to Pakistan in 1981. Pakistan was issuing 30-day visas at the airports upon arrival.


32 posted on 03/29/2011 7:41:11 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The more this Pres__ent screws up the more people are going to hate him and birther suspicion will only reinforce their distrust. It will be the vitriolic attack on birthers that will backfire on the Bolshies, since, the One is already seen as a liability by people who haven’t drunk the cool-aid.


33 posted on 03/29/2011 7:43:04 PM PDT by depressed in 06 (Hope and change is share the poverty.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

No they got their game down.

I am sick at home today so I start flipping between the news channels. I land on MSNBC and what a bunch of loons. They actually think they are funny and possess a superior intellect.

They are midway carnies who hit the jackpot and have to act as immature as possible to hold their ridiculously unsupportable positions.

They support their guy no matter what and use whatever obtuse construct they can to maintain whatever facade they are pushing today.


34 posted on 03/29/2011 7:44:17 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Odd movement???????

I find it odd that not a single prominent republican (including McCain) cannot fart without being challenged on eligibility issues, and yet 50 states have allowed an illegal alien sympathetic to terrorists on the democrat national ballot for president.

I find it odd that our top republican representative in the House is willing to take Obama’s word for it, after delivering that “HELL NO YOU CAN’T” speech to congress on Obamacare.

Every promise and principle Obama articulated during the election has been broken and violated, EXCEPT FOR HIS PLEDGE TO HOMOSEXUALS!!!

Obama Ignores judicial court orders, and then has the audacity to declare existing law unconstitutional as justification for not enforcing it!

EVERYONE IN THE MEDIA KNOWS this man is holding the office illegitimately, but when someone stands up and asks for verification of a sworn statement of status.... they are referred to as “ODD”????

Stop taking this crap America. We are NOT ODD for expecting our representatives to do their job... Which they clearly have FAILED TO DO!

Damn straight Obama is a bold faced liar! and every single representative and public official that allowed this to happen needs to be held accountable!

So what if we have a constitutional crisis? Who cares if the president gets “Embarrassed”?
The constitution is either enforceable, or IT IS NOT!
We need to FACE that crisis, or we will be choosing to face the END OF AMERICA by default... because our constitution won’t be worth SPIT!

And until someone PROVES he is legitimate, then we are by no means odd... his failure to prove and more importantly his REFUSAL to prove IS VINDICATION OF OUR CLAIMS!

The real movement here that is truly odd is the socialist one... and America apparently doesn’t even see it coming.

Hell... it’s here! but we are odd... go figure.


35 posted on 03/29/2011 7:50:54 PM PDT by Safrguns
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To: crz

Well stated, thanks.


36 posted on 03/29/2011 7:51:11 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I think the best evidence suggests that Obama was born in Hawaii. What he was up to before and during his College years is a much more interesting topic to me. But it doesn't seem self evident at all that attention to the topic helps Obama heading into 2012.

Like of the advice liberals give Republicans and conservatives, you have to consider the motives of the adviser.

37 posted on 03/29/2011 7:51:27 PM PDT by Minn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If the idiot RINOs read 1/8th the research Freepers have done over the past two and one half years, they’d be “birthers”, too.

They are all complicit...and the “talking heads”, as well.

I’m gonna be fresh outta forgiveness when the SHTF.


38 posted on 03/29/2011 7:52:35 PM PDT by Mortrey (Impeach President Soros)
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To: Minn

If he were shown to be born in the Lincoln bedroom on the 4th of July, the fact remains that his father was not, and never became a US citizen. He is therefore not a natural born citizen.


39 posted on 03/29/2011 7:55:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("You cannot invade the US There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass." Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Donald Trump

born June 14, 1946 in Queens, New York, NY (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Frederick Christ Trump, born October 11, 1905 in Queens, NY, died June 1999 in Queens, NY
Mary Ann MacLeod, born May 10, 1912 in SCOTLAND, died August 7, 2000 in Queens, NY. Arrived in US October 5, 1935. Married January 1936. Naturalized as a US Citizen March 10, 1942.

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Donald Trump is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN unlike Comrade Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama.

40 posted on 03/29/2011 7:58:01 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
... oddly credible...

--------------------------

Oddly credible?

How about realistically credible.

Repeal Obama!

Marxist Barry could care less about anything constitutional.

Clueless Obama-1sm

41 posted on 03/29/2011 7:59:00 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Defend Liberty
If this is true, then by their line of reasoning, the socialists should be more than happy to maximize their advantage by discussing the issue 24/7.

Um, they are. How many times in the past few weeks have you seen stories about Trump and birthers? Quite a lot.

Here's a tip: Trump is no conservative and he's bringing up this birther stuff to make conservatives look bad and to divert attention from Obama's failures and the proven ideas of conservatism. Obama has too many other weaknesses we need to concentrate on.

42 posted on 03/29/2011 8:03:58 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“Expecting a President to have a valid birth certificate is so extreme.”

No, no, no, not ‘extreme’— ‘racist’. I read that on HuffPo today—that it’s racist to want to see Obama’s BC—so it must be true...right?

(Btw, the posters on the HuffPo Trump BC thread make even DUers look sane and rational. I kid you not.)


43 posted on 03/29/2011 8:08:37 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: yarddog

I’m Duncan McCleod. Same clan, different vintage...

There can be only one!


44 posted on 03/29/2011 8:09:23 PM PDT by MortMan (What disease did cured ham used to have?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They are terrified. I have to produce my BC. Why can’t he produce his BC. A simple question that will resonate with everyone.


45 posted on 03/29/2011 8:13:04 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Minn
I think the best evidence suggests that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Even if Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama had been birthed in the Lincoln Bedroom at the White House he is NOT a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN.

46 posted on 03/29/2011 8:13:09 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: crz

“Posted on 31...”

Why is it that you are unable to post a source for your assertion that there was a travel ban on US citizens traveling to Pakistan in 1981?

I wonder why?


47 posted on 03/29/2011 8:16:13 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Georgia Girl 2
Why doesn’t Obama just show his birth certificate. They just can’t seem to get their head around that one.

Whether you can "get your head around this" or not, there are 2 perfectly good reasons Obama doesn't release his birth certificate. The first is he is under no legal obligation to. No court has demanded it. But the primary reason is, the people demanding his BC are his political enemy, many of whom want his political scalp. If I were in his position, I would be disinclined to voluntarily provide evidence to my political opponents whose publicly stated purpose is my removal from office.

48 posted on 03/29/2011 8:16:36 PM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

RE: Trump

He also contributed to McCain, but this just shows lack of principles, IMHO:

TRUMP, DONALD JR
NEW YORK, NY 10069
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION/EXECUTIVE VI SCHUMER, CHARLES E (D)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF SCHUMER $1,000
primary 04/07/10
Trump, Donald J.
New York, NY 10022
Trump Organization/Real Estate Deve WEINER, ANTHONY D MR (D)
House (NY 09)
FRIENDS OF WEINER $2,000
primary 02/18/10
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/CEO SCHUMER, CHARLES E (D)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF SCHUMER $400
primary 12/11/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/CEO SCHUMER, CHARLES E (D)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF SCHUMER $1,600
general 12/11/09
Trump, Donald J.
New York, NY 10022 CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D)
President
HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT $-2,300
general 11/10/09
Trump, Donald J.
New York, NY 10022 CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D)
President
HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT $-1,700
general 11/09/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/REAL ESTATE DEVE CRIST, CHARLIE (NNE)
Senate - FL
CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE $2,400
primary 10/16/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/REAL ESTATE DEVE CRIST, CHARLIE (NNE)
Senate - FL
CHARLIE CRIST FOR US SENATE $2,400
general 10/16/09
Trump, Donald J.
New York, NY 10022
Trump Organization/Owner MALONEY, CAROLYN B (D)
House (NY 14)
MALONEY FOR CONGRESS $1,000
primary 08/18/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION/PRESIDENT NELSON, BILL (D)
Senate - FL
BILL NELSON FOR U S SENATE $2,000
primary 08/11/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/CEO SCHUMER, CHARLES E (D)
Senate - NY
FRIENDS OF SCHUMER $2,000
primary 05/20/09
TRUMP, DONALD J
NEW YORK, NY 10022
TRUMP ORGANIZATION/EXECUTIVE REID, HARRY (D)
Senate - NV
FRIENDS FOR HARRY REID $2,400
primary 03/26/09
Trump, Donald J. Jr.
New York, NY 10019 CLINTON, HILLARY RODHAM (D)
President
HILLARY CLINTON FOR PRESIDENT $-1,700
general


49 posted on 03/29/2011 8:18:02 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: dynachrome

Hillary Clinton on his list. No surprise there.


50 posted on 03/29/2011 8:21:15 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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