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Gaddafi army 'not at breaking point'
BBC News ^ | 31 March 2011

Posted on 03/31/2011 8:05:19 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican

Libya leader Muammar Gaddafi's armed forces are not close to breaking point despite hundreds of allied air strikes, American military chiefs have said.

Adm Mike Mullen told a US Congress committee Col Gaddafi's troops still had 10 times the rebels' firepower.

At the same hearing, Defence Secretary Robert Gates reiterated the US would put no "boots on the ground" in Libya.

Rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces appear to have reached a stalemate in their fight for control of the country.

In recent days, rebels have been urging international forces to conduct more air strikes.

Adm Mullen told the House of Representatives armed forces committee that bad weather had stopped them from identifying targets over the past three or four days.

"[The weather] has more than anything else reduced the impact... reduced the effectiveness, and has allowed the regime forces to move back to the east," the AFP news agency quoted him as saying.

Despite the weather, he said the air strikes since the beginning of the operation had wiped out between 20% and 25% of Col Gaddafi's forces.

"We have actually fairly seriously degraded his military capabilities. That does not mean he's about to break, from a military standpoint, because that's not the case," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at bbc.co.uk ...


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KEYWORDS: army; breaking; gaddafi; islam; jihad; libya; marxist; point
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To: caww
Sorry if you thought I was referring to you when I referred to "crazy talk" and "lying".

I was referring to Gates...a generally honorable man though weak SecDef.

I'm guessing he wants nothing but OUT.

51 posted on 03/31/2011 10:09:24 PM PDT by Mariner (USS Tarawa, VQ3, USS Benjamin Stoddert, NAVCAMS WestPac, 7th Fleet, Navcommsta Puget Sound)
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To: FreeReign; All

So Qaddafi has set free the Libyan fighters returned to him from Iraq and told them to go back there and fight some more. Can you tell us more about your source for this interesting tidbit.


52 posted on 03/31/2011 10:09:32 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: MinorityRepublican

The wimp in the White House has established wimp rules of engagement, thus they are only allowed to kill the enemy if there is no collateral damage to even a mailbox.

Otherwise this would have been over in two days.


53 posted on 03/31/2011 10:13:36 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Mariner

I don’t trust any speaking for the Government...but in this case I sure hope Gates continues to take this stand. I will be really and truly p*ssed off if Bozo sends our guys there....let the freaking British and French finish this thing off...


54 posted on 03/31/2011 10:17:40 PM PDT by caww
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To: gleeaikin
So Qaddafi has set free the Libyan fighters returned to him from Iraq and told them to go back there and fight some more. Can you tell us more about your source for this interesting tidbit.

Wouldn't surprise me one bit. Gaddafi survived an Islamist revolt and assassination attempt in the 1995/1996 time frame. I'm sure his attitude - like that of every other Muslim government - is "better us than him". It's the same reason that Muslim governments generally release the prisoners we hand to them - unless those prisoners are guilty of attacking the regime. It's pretty clear to the Muslim masses why they would imprison someone plotting against the regime. Why would they hold someone trying to kill Americans - unless that Muslim government was just another American puppet? Note that the Iraq government has released Iraqi guerrillas who are known to have killed GI's.

I personally think it's stupid to hand these people over to Muslim governments. Why hand them over when we know they almost always have to release them in response to public pressure? It's never been a sin to kill the infidel during the process of waging a jihad. Local Muslim populations probably think Muslim governments should give returned jihadists medals and dancing girls.

55 posted on 03/31/2011 10:20:54 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: gleeaikin
Qaddafi and Al Qaeda associated LIFG prisoners agree to "a new code of jihad" stating that Jihad in Libya is bad but jihad in Afghanistan and Iraq is acceptable.

Libya Jihadi Code

Al Qaeda associated LIFG prisoners released by Qaddafi after agreeing to a new code of jihad.

The Unasked Question in Libya: Where Are the "Reformed" Members of LIFG?

Bonus link showing Qaddafi's support to the Muslim Brotherhood, outside of Libya.

The Muslim Brotherhood and Gaddafi Were Partners

56 posted on 03/31/2011 10:29:25 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Zhang Fei
I personally think it's stupid to hand these people over to Muslim governments.

I agree with that. Qaddafi and the LIFG is exibit A that proves that point.

57 posted on 03/31/2011 10:31:33 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Qaddafi and Al Qaeda associated LIFG prisoners agree to "a new code of jihad" stating that Jihad in Libya is bad but jihad in Afghanistan and Iraq is acceptable.

Actually, this isn't the LIFG's code of jihad - it's the Muslim world's code of jihad. This is why Muslim governments keep releasing the jihadists we hand over to them - unless those jihadists are also guilty of plotting against their home governments, in which case hellish tortures await them.

58 posted on 03/31/2011 10:38:07 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: FreeReign

Qaddafi killed 189 of our citizens at Lockerbie. Qaddafi killed our servicemen in Germany. Qaddafi has released all of the Al Qaeda associated LIFG fighters from his prisons over the last two year and Qaddafi has told them to head back to Iraq and Afghanistan to wage jihad.

My position, regardless of what ever the hell Obama is doing, is that we should remove the terrorist Qaddafi and that we should remove all Al Qaeda that we find.

Anything short of that is appeasement.

Do you actually disagree?


The AQ “rebels” are now fighting against Qadaffi. I think he’s is a tyrant, but that doesn’t mean I support “rebels” that we have no idea about, let alone funding them and giving them air support.

You may have missed it, FRiend, but NATO today warned these “rebels” that unless they stop killing civilians, they will be Obombed as well.

How does it feel to be an Obomba supporter, FRiend?


59 posted on 03/31/2011 10:39:29 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: All
In Libya, we should be targeting Qaddafi and any Al Qaeda that shows up. Anything short of that is appeasement in my view.

Does the UN and Obama have the nads to do that?

Of course not.

Does the American public have the will to do that?

Doesn't look like.

I think at some point down the road, we will pay this.

JMHO.

gtg

60 posted on 03/31/2011 10:39:58 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: Carling
The AQ “rebels” are now fighting against Qadaffi. I think he’s is a tyrant, but that doesn’t mean I support “rebels” that we have no idea about, let alone funding them and giving them air support. You may have missed it, FRiend, but NATO today warned these “rebels” that unless they stop killing civilians, they will be Obombed as well. How does it feel to be an Obomba supporter, FRiend

Actually, Obama's and the UN's inaction most likely will result in a rebel controlled E. Libya and a Qaddafi controlled W. Libya. Both sides will remain. That's certainly what we have right now. That seems awfully close to your position.

As I've pointed out now numerous times, I want both Qaddafi and Al Qaeda removed from Libya. That is NOT Obuma's position... and it isn't yours.

Enjoy your support of Obama and the UN.

61 posted on 03/31/2011 10:50:35 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign
Does the American public have the will to do that?

Will only comes into the picture if the American public thinks the rebels are the good guys and deserve our help. My impression is that their beer goggles are clearing up, and what appeared to be a young and pretty brunette from a distance is turning out to be a worn-out Helen Thomas look-alike.

62 posted on 03/31/2011 10:52:36 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always)
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To: FreeReign
Enjoy your support of Obama and the UN.

Huh? I'm against this intervention, at least in terms of how your guy Obomba rushed to war without knowing who or what he was funding.

You may want to read your posts in this thread again, FRiend. Your only ally seems to be some kook comparing this to Vietnam.

63 posted on 03/31/2011 10:54:16 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: Carling
least in terms of how your guy Obomba rushed to war without knowing who or what he was funding.

Okay, Obama is not my guy, which either makes you stupid or a liar.

64 posted on 03/31/2011 10:58:00 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

You accused me of supporting Obomba and the UN. Need help on reading your own posts, FRiend?


65 posted on 03/31/2011 10:59:43 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: Carling
You accused me of supporting Obomba and the UN. Need help on reading your own posts, FRiend?

Your post #59...read it. You accused me of being an Obama supporter. That makes it ironic FRiend that you say I need help reading my own posts.

66 posted on 03/31/2011 11:03:56 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

Your post, to me, said that you approved of Obomba’s actions regarding Libya. If I was wrong, I do apologize!


67 posted on 03/31/2011 11:11:11 PM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: Carling
Your post, to me, said that you approved of Obomba’s actions regarding Libya. If I was wrong, I do apologize!

You would have to show me such a post.

I have posted numerous times that I believe Obama doesn't want to remove Qaddafi and he doesn't want to address any possible Al Qaeda involvement with the rebels. Those two things are the opposite of what I want.

Perhaps it's late and you misread.

Anyway, gtg.

68 posted on 03/31/2011 11:19:20 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: MinorityRepublican
Tis late in the post but what the heck. This is all BULLSHIT. Gates and Mullins know full well the composite mix of al Qaeda and other really radical oriented Muslim groups that reside, yea...primarily in the eastern area of the country. These two guys have been hog tied by Hillary, Rice, and Powers and a number of other super far left clowns that want to play pretty with the UN and some European powers.
I call it...
SOME CALL IT TREASON.
69 posted on 03/31/2011 11:46:20 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: April Lexington
Americans need to take precautions against the payback.

Americans need to distance themselves from Obama

70 posted on 04/01/2011 1:49:32 AM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: JRandomFreeper

‘and I’ve had too many checks from customers bounce the last couple of years.”

I hear ya there. Rumor has it that his health plan sucks though.


71 posted on 04/01/2011 4:06:37 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Just why doesn’t nobama release the al queda detainees in GITMO to go fight in Libya on our allies’ (the al queda Rebels’) side against Gadhafi? Wouldn’t that solve his GITMO “problem”?


72 posted on 04/01/2011 4:32:35 AM PDT by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: lurk

“Should take us less than 10000 days to clear it all up.”
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Right!!! Then we can establish heaven on Earth, “DEMOCRACY”...I wonder why the founders never mentioned democracy...was there something about that word they didn’t like? UUmmmm.....those Libyan rebels probably woundn’t know a democrat from a camel, maybe we’ll just let them set up whatever they like, maybe a head choppin’, rip roarin’ Sharia monstrosity or some such. Whatever they do I’m certain it will be MUCH better than Gadaffy Duck, yeah, that’s the ticket.


73 posted on 04/01/2011 5:04:35 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: MinorityRepublican

Not at “breaking pont”?. Hell, Qadaffi’s forces are advancing and winning big time!


74 posted on 04/01/2011 5:06:02 AM PDT by MindBender26 (While the MSM slept.... we have become relevant media in Ameirca.)
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To: MinorityRepublican; Marine_Uncle; FreeReign; Carling; Zhang Fei
Here is a "no dah" quote from an article I read this morning:

Several Cyrenaican cities have deep connections to the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG), an Islamist terrorist group opposed to Qaddafi that formally joined al-Qaeda in 2007. Libyans comprised the second largest group of foreign suicide bombers used by al-Qaeda in Iraq, the majority of whom were from Cyrenaica. U.S. Admiral James Stavridis, NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe who is overseeing operations in Libya, recently said there were “flickers” of an al-Qaeda and even a Hezbollah presence among the rebels

link here:

http://www.understandingwar.org/otherwork/isw-brief-status-current-operations-libya

75 posted on 04/01/2011 5:15:23 AM PDT by GILTN1stborn ( All 4 sharing the truth & wealth of great information found here)
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To: DenverInfidel

Every soldier I’ve talked to loves Gates. You only have to speak to the man to see the love and care he has for American troops. During the Bush admistration he got the usual “Bush’s stooge” insults from the left and I’m afraid many of the attacks on him now are part of the script that now that he’s not working for our guy we need to start jumping on him.


76 posted on 04/01/2011 5:25:14 AM PDT by chargers fan
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To: RC2
Top ranking officers in his army best consider what’s going to happen to them when their leader goes. Their lives won’t be worth a plug nickel.

They DO understand what would happen to them if they lose. That's why they're going to fight like hell to exterminate the rebels and drive them into Egypt.

77 posted on 04/01/2011 5:35:05 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

And back to Afganastan where they can resume killing our Armed Forces men and women. my question is, will their cheerleaders on this forum still be allowed to cheer them on?


78 posted on 04/01/2011 5:39:33 AM PDT by sport
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To: Republican Wildcat

IMHO, if the British and the French wanted Colonel Daffy out so badly, they should had sent ground troops to seize Tripoli while the rebels still had momentum. Now if it looks like the regime will be able to remain in power, how is it going to benefit the West if Libya becomes a pariah state once again? Only this time with nothing to fear since it would had survived a direct attack from the West already.


79 posted on 04/01/2011 5:42:55 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: maine-iac7

Even IF (God Willing) we get rid of him, we are left cleaning up his mess. He has no clue what he’s doing! Those “rebels” are pre-historic animals/they’ll never be civilized. These are tribes that walk through a desert, hide in caves..climb mountains sleep in them. Ride camels for God’s sake. Watch and see....they’ve had 10 years to create this diversion. The threats are still very here and it’s coming soon. because this govt cant agree on anything.
i’ll bet you that at least 80percent of us dont know these Arab names..Mousa Kousa (or whatveer the hell!) These cities? OMG!! Tsunamis, Earthquakes. Radiation Contamination, Tornados. He’s the AntiChrist!!(maybe?)


80 posted on 04/01/2011 6:16:37 AM PDT by ltlady123
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To: MinorityRepublican

should not be there, should not have done the bombing, the media has covered up the whole affair, Obama goes on vacation and then wages war , NATO has no legal right to be there and this has been a Mickey Mouse show.

Now the media will again cover for their messiah while the masses talk about factor X , who will win and then hear the talking bumper sticker points from the left and then repeat them

This is what we get when we get a man voted in fairly or unfairly who had no experience, voted in due to his color, slogans like yes we can and hope and change.

If any left wing trolls are reading this then well done on being the dumbest voters in our history, yes we can ARF, idiots


81 posted on 04/01/2011 7:09:01 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: caww

except there is boots on the ground, they’re called forward observation officers and looking at the air strikes, directing etc.

This war is not right, we should not be there and neither does NATO.

Yet again the left wages a war without congressional approval, stay silent and wages a war on a country which has no direct immediate security threats on us


82 posted on 04/01/2011 7:11:33 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: caww

who are the dim wits not understand?
Because we do have boots on the ground and he is lying plus anyone who has served knows how this all works so again these dim wits are the ones who actually understand we do have boots on the ground and the dimwits are the ones who have no clue and think we do not


83 posted on 04/01/2011 7:13:33 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc
except there is boots on the ground, they’re called forward observation officers and looking at the air strikes, directing etc.

That's how it started in Vietnam, we sent in advisors, then advisors started getting killed, so we had to send in troops to protect the advisors, and then it just snowballed from there.

84 posted on 04/01/2011 7:14:10 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: lacrew

this is why it is important to elect someone who knows about the world and more importantly our military.

This has been Mickey mouse from the get go and that is on top of we should not be there anyway nor should NATO


85 posted on 04/01/2011 7:24:04 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: DBeers

NAIL ON HEAD

This man has been bust putting cross dressers, homosexuals etc into our military and not understand how they work or what they’re for.
COrps, =corpse for him.

Still the media have been doing their jobs and covering for their messiah including FOX


86 posted on 04/01/2011 7:28:16 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: dfwgator

correct but the problem with the left and this muppet in power is that they do not understand history.

What a shambles this all is and yet as long as the journalists see their 401k’s go up on the market then they will keep covering for the left .


87 posted on 04/01/2011 7:31:43 AM PDT by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: MinorityRepublican; mickie
I'll bet my life and sacred honor that Obomination and his Defense Secret-ary Gates are playing "good cop", "bad cop" in this little lying, pseudo-dramatic game of "boots on the ground".

Trying to make us believe they are issuing contrary policy statements these two must really think we're imbeciles.....kinda on a par with the administration's brilliant Mr. Peepers press secretary.

I don't trust either one of them as far as I can throw them.

How a principled Republican cabinet member could flip and work for Obama is beyond me....and how he has stuck with him like glue for all this time is telling....Gates is an opportunistic little weasel without a moral compass just like his boss.....which is bad news for our troops in the leadership picture.

I have a feeling Gates will soon crack from pressure emanating from his own internal moral dilemnas....he looks like hell already in his close-ups.

Leni

88 posted on 04/01/2011 9:40:03 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard
I can’t wait for the center-fuel tank explosions and other random, non-state-sponsored acts of terrorism to come. It’s going to be fantastic. I really missed the 90’s too.

No kidding. The evil of this administration makes the evil of the Klinton administration look like pikers.
89 posted on 04/01/2011 9:47:00 AM PDT by crosshairs (Say what you want about the South, but you never hear of anyone retiring and moving north.)
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To: caww

CIA operatives, and possibly Special Ops forces, wearing sandals do not count
as “boots on the ground”.


90 posted on 04/01/2011 10:45:17 AM PDT by HardStarboard (I'm sure George and Dick had quiet smiles while watching the election results!)
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To: GILTN1stborn

One more confirmation of where the LIFG enjoy total freedom over the years to operate from.


91 posted on 04/01/2011 11:54:44 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned....Duncan Hunter Sr. for POTUS.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks MinorityRepublican.
Rebels and pro-Gaddafi forces appear to have reached a stalemate in their fight for control of the country.

In recent days, rebels have been urging international forces to conduct more air strikes.
Let's see -- before Zero and his co-idiots jumped into this manure pile, the lawless jihadists were getting their asses handed to them, and were steadily crying out for air strikes and assassination. Sounds like they're right at the end of their rope again.

And that will not be the last time they're at the end of a rope.

Unless Gaddafy just has them all shot instead.


92 posted on 04/01/2011 6:18:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: HardStarboard

That’s right....and hopefully they will remain incognito until the job is done and come home safely.


93 posted on 04/01/2011 7:50:48 PM PDT by caww
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