Skip to comments.Michael Barone: No More Tea? Tea partiers still have to argue their case.
Posted on 04/01/2011 11:52:39 AM PDT by neverdem
No More Tea?
Tea partiers still have to argue their case.
Has the wind gone out of the sails of the small-government movement? Is the Tea Party going through a hangover?
You can find some evidence for these propositions. In Washington, Democrats such as former party chairman Howard Dean gleefully anticipate a government shutdown, and Sen. Charles Schumer thinks he can drive a wedge between Speaker John Boehner and “extremist” tea partiers.
In state capitals, some new Republican governors are getting hostile receptions to their plans for cutting spending and curtailing the power of public-employee unions.
In Ohio, Gov. John Kasich has only 30 percent approval, according to a Quinnipiac poll. Pennsylvania’s Tom Corbett, easily elected last November, has negative ratings as well.
And in the state that has made more headlines than any other this year, Wisconsin, Gov. Scott Walker is facing some headwinds. He did get the Republican legislature to pass limits on the bargaining powers of state-employee unions. And union dues aren’t going to be deducted from public employees’ next paychecks.
But the Democratic state senators’ tactic of leaving the state and the often violent protests at the state capitol have mobilized public-employee unions and their supporters.
A Polling Company poll conducted for Independent Women’s Voice showed 53 percent of voters with unfavorable feelings toward Walker and only 46 percent favorable. By a similar margin, voters sided with the public-employee unions over the governor in the recent controversy.
It should be noted that this poll has a small sample and a larger share of voters in union households (38 percent) than in the 2008 and 2010 Wisconsin exit polls (26 percent). And on issues of this kind, question wording can make a big difference in responses.
Next Tuesday, voters will have their say in an election for state supreme court. Incumbent Republican David Prosser is being challenged by Democrat JoAnne Kloppenberg, who is giving strong hints that she’ll uphold a dubious ruling by a lower court that the legislature acted illegally in limiting public-employee unions’ powers. A Prosser defeat would give Democrats a 4–3 edge on the court.
Off-year elections tend to have low turnout, and the public-employee unions are working hard to get their voters out. It’s unclear whether tea partiers and others whose enthusiasm and energy transformed Wisconsin from a 56–42 percent Obama state in 2008 to a 52–46 percent Walker state in 2010 will be similarly energized.
In addition, both parties have threatened to recall at least some of the other side’s state senators. Recall petitions are being circulated and require relatively few signatures.
The IWV poll says that voters would oppose recalling Democratic state senators by 60 percent to 38 percent but oppose recalling Republicans by only 52 percent to 43 percent.
There’s an assumption by many Republicans, seemingly shared by Walker, that voters settled these issues definitively in the November elections. But the IWV poll suggests that voters are not necessarily well informed and have been swayed by those who frame the issue as collective bargaining “rights.”
Respondents become more favorable to Walker’s position when informed that public employees are paid 45 percent more than private-sector union members and that union dues have been automatically deducted and go to support candidates that workers may not favor.
In New Jersey, a more Democratic state than Wisconsin, Gov. Chris Christie has won majority support in his struggles with public-employee unions by making his case repeatedly, with facts and figures, and with a forcefulness that has made his town-hall appearances YouTube hits.
Christie and Virginia governor Bob McDonnell, both elected in 2009, have won public acceptance of major spending cuts by making the alternatives and the facts clear.
Republicans in Wisconsin and other states, and Republican leaders in Washington, need to do the same. Given their druthers, voters oppose tax increases and spending cuts. But they’re responsive to the message that in these hard economic times, it’s not possible to have all good things.
They have seen that vast spending increases haven’t generated jobs, and they understand that tax increases can choke a sputtering economic recovery. Given the facts, they understand that public-employee unions inflate spending, reduce accountability, and operate as a mechanism for the involuntary transfer of taxpayer money to one political party.
The press won’t make that case. Republicans and tea partiers need to do it themselves.
— Michael Barone is senior political analyst for the Washington Examiner. © 2011 The Washington Examiner.
If we really need to make the case that 10% GDP deficits and >100% GDP debt is untenable then we are doomed anyway.
Big government better hope the “small government” tea party has the energy and votes to topple big government before the total, useless weight of big government brings about its own collapse. The tea party way is better.
BINGO! Taking on Public Unions brings out union members, of course. They have something to lose, regular citizens have something to gain - hopefully when recall elections and regular elections come around, regular citizens will be at the polls voting their pocketbook. Now is not the time to fold.
I ripped barone when this was posted yesterday... let me just say, “piss off barone”.
These articles are silly. Tea partiers have jobs and families and neither the time nor energy like the Madison mob who rally for weeks on end or the pundits who comment about it.
So the fundamental difference is this: Conservatives must dig into their own pockets to fund their activism, while leftists already got their hands in there first. It's a deck stacked against us and it won't get any better until we both defund the beast AND use up their reserves. It would seem at the Federal level we lack the power to do either. Hence, the results are spotty as the article indicates.
To be sure, the differences in leadership are determinative. Scott Walker did not position his offensive correctly, where he should have stood for parity between state workers and the private sector. It would have actually been a more effective sale. He spent a lot of political capital without making the sale or getting very much.
The argument is self evident.
The Tea Party is waiting to see what the results of last November are. Judging from the looks of things, they will be back in greater numbers.
Tea Party members gather when necessary. We actually work. We have kids, mortgage payments and lives. When called, we go where we need to be. The tea party is not dead. We’re trying to keep our houses!
Michael Barone is full of himself. A Beltway Republican.
Akin to George Will, Krauthammer school.
Michael Barone is full of himself. A Beltway Republican.
Akin to George Will, Krauthammer school.
Tea Partiers have to make their own political party. The GOP has proven not to be up to the job.
So what? Barone is probably the best political analyst in the country with respect to elections. The two are no slouches either. Just because I have disagreements with all of them isn't a reason to ignore them when they're correct.
You want to split our forces and let the rats win, PzLdr? We have to take over the GOP. Primary the RINOs like Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana where possible. Keep the Scott Browns. We won't do any better in MA where the GOP number less than 12% in voter registration. Primary Collins in 2012. If successful, go after Snowe in 2014. Maine got a Tea Party guy as governor, and the GOP took the legislature in 2010.
The rats moved to the center to take Congress in 2006, and they repeated that in 2008 to enlarge their majority by recruiting candidates who promised fiscal probity and prolife and pro RKBA where needed in each of those elections. Why do you think there was no significant gun grabbing bills in the last two Congesses. The got concealed carry in national parks in the last Congress! They went hard left, otherwise, in the last Congress and lost spectacularly, even when they couldn't get cap & tax and immigration reform.
In some places, the best that you can get is a RINO, IMHO. Philosophical purity in our candidates can only be expected in some parts of the country.
I'm thinking so. Liberals are just crazy to think that calling Tea Partiers names and hating on them are going to make them go away. They're only going to get more angry about the lack of real progress (not the insanity that liberals call progress).
Michael Barone, have you stopped beating your wife?
Nro is in the tank for rinos. And they hate the tea party and Sarah. Also John Fund, Byron York, Tucker, Fox allstars, write them all off we are on our own.
In 1856, the Whigs were split over slavery [and other issues], and the GOP was born. In 1860 [4 years]they organized themselves to the point that they elected a President of the United States, and did quite well in both Houses [without benefit of modern commo or the internet].
The philosophy of taking what we can get just doesn’t cut it with me anymore. The GOP has shown, since the tsunami of 2010, that they’re not going to do what has to be done in the areas of shrinking government, cutting spending in a MAJOR way, and opposing the Democrats in a forceful and meaningful manner. Collegiality be damned. The Tea Party handed them the House,increased their numbers in the Senate significantly, and the electorate got back bupkus on any meaningful reform. Did they defund the EPA, Dept. of Education,. Dept of Energy, BATF, OSHA, and roll back the increasing tons of regulations DC churns out? No. Gone after more Czars than the Romanovs produced in 300 years? No. Did they make more than cosmetic budget cuts? No. Hell, the last cut didn’t even cover the vig for the period it covered.
Democrats CAN’T be governed with. For them, politics is a zero sum game, and it’s all about power. They’re already expanding their voter bse with OUR money, money we no longer have. So, if the GOP won’t fight them, out spin them, force them out of the shadows and make them defend their side of the net, we need a party that will. And the GOP ain’t it. Just my opinion.
And yes, I’ll tolerate four more years of Il Douche if that’s what it takes. And considering the GOP circus involving picking a candidate [which probably won’t wrap ‘til next year, and will probably leave the candidate on the short end of the money raising stick], I’m not sanguine about the GOP’s prospects in 2012.
The MSM, as usual, has filled the airwaves with negativity regarding what the Republican Governors, and the Republicans in Congress have done. Then, after weeks of continual put downs, they do polls, and gloat that support is down for Republicans and the Tea Party.
It is high time for Tea Party members to pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor to rid this country of the kelptocracy that has grown like a cancer invading the instruments of power. We have no room left for toleration, half-measures, wishes, or wimpy action.
Time to draw the commie leftists and their perverts and zombies down and out. Challenge them at every turn, get in their faces, mob them! Dump them from your employment, flush them from your churches, banish them from public places, dig them out of our schools, deny them your services, boycott their stores, companies and products, etc.
Shame them for defecating on the rare and wonderful idea of America. They deserve no such place and no harbor as they seek to destroy our freedom, our families, our morale, and our way of life. Let them live in the squalor they so desperately want for all.
Boehner is crying again. Please give him a hanky.
Hoekstra: Tea Party Should Back Off on Criticizing Boehner
Thursday, April 7, 2011 06:35 PM
By: David A. Patten
Conservatives are urging their grass-roots colleagues to mute their criticisms of House Speaker John Boehner and the GOP leadership, and to get behind their efforts to address out-of-control spending in Washington.
In an exclusive interview with Newsmax on Thursday, former GOP Rep. Pete Hoekstra said the tea-party faithful need to give Boehner a little bit of breathing room.
Democrats and Republicans are preparing to burn the midnight oil Thursday if needed, in order to work out a deal on a continuing resolution that would fund the government and avoid a shutdown.
As Hoekstras comments suggest, many commentators now believe the continual sniping at GOP leaders from within the grass-roots movement is no longer helping conservatives attain their overall objectives.