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EDITORIAL: Light-bulb rights showdown--States defy federal claim to meddle in fixture choice
The Washington Times ^ | April 1, 2011 | Editorial

Posted on 04/01/2011 4:53:52 PM PDT by jazusamo

State lawmakers are fed up with the federal government micromanaging their lives. The South Carolina Senate is scheduled to strike back Tuesday with a bill that asserts the 10th Amendment right of the state to tell Washington to take a hike when it comes to the sale of incandescent light bulbs manufactured within state borders.

Ever since then-President George W. Bush signed into law the Energy Independence and Security Act of 2007, the clock has been ticking on Thomas Edison’s venerable incandescent. Unless Congress acts before Jan. 1, 2012, federal bureaucrats will begin their campaign to foist the mostly Chinese-made, compact fluorescent bulbs on a public that has shown no interest in buying them on the free market.

Palmetto State lawmakers aren’t interested in waiting for the feds to see the light. The “South Carolina Incandescent Light Bulb Freedom Act” declares any fixture that bears the stamp “Made in South Carolina” is a product of intrastate commerce and thus “is not subject to federal law or federal regulation.” State Rep. William E. Sandifer III, chairman of the South Carolina House Labor, Commerce and Industry Committee, told The Washington Times that the measure he co-sponsored has a very good chance of becoming law. “I believe that it is improper for the federal government to tell us as citizens what light bulbs we can use to light our own private homes or businesses,” he explained. “I think the feds have overstepped our 10th Amendment constitutional rights as they’ve so often done under the Commerce Clause.”

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; cfl; incandescentbulbs; statesrights
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Good for South Carolina.
1 posted on 04/01/2011 4:53:58 PM PDT by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo
State lawmakers are fed up with the federal government micromanaging their lives.

There is a resolution to this frustration that states tote.

What is there in an individuals life each day that one could point out that government doesn't have some sort of control over?

2 posted on 04/01/2011 5:02:00 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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Please bump the Freepathon and donate or become a monthly donor!

3 posted on 04/01/2011 5:04:28 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo
The states created the central government and should dismantle it, beginning with refusing to send any money to the damable fools of DC and refusing Obamacare and all other communist democrat plans of destruction. What a waste of taxpayers money is the whole federal government.
4 posted on 04/01/2011 5:11:57 PM PDT by kindred (Come Lord Jesus, rule and reign over all thine enemies.)
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To: jazusamo

One point that the CFL Marxist overlook is that millions of
ornamental and antique light fixtures would look stupid
and become worthless with CFL bulbs.


5 posted on 04/01/2011 5:15:55 PM PDT by AlexW
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To: steelyourfaith; ForGod'sSake

Ping.


6 posted on 04/01/2011 5:17:25 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: AlexW

Correct. It’s ridiculous for the feds to mandate what bulb can be used by us peons. There’s a place for both and people should make the choice for themselves.


7 posted on 04/01/2011 5:19:26 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Army Air Corps; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; Whenifhow; SolitaryMan; mmanager; ...
Thanx for the ping AAC !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 04/01/2011 5:19:45 PM PDT by steelyourfaith ("Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty." -- Wendell Phillips)
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To: jazusamo; devolve; ntnychik; PhilDragoo; dixiechick2000; MeekOneGOP
Stay outta my 'glow'


9 posted on 04/01/2011 5:28:21 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: potlatch

Big BUMP! :-)


10 posted on 04/01/2011 5:31:36 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Uhhhh. Are there any lightbulbs actually made in South Carolina?


11 posted on 04/01/2011 5:31:46 PM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Repudiate the national debt)
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To: jazusamo

WHY did GWB sign this POS legisation? I realized he wanted to be “liked” by evironmentalists who hated him, but he could have veoted it and sent it back to committee WITHOUT the light bulb ban. Then again, his “advisors” were morons.


12 posted on 04/01/2011 5:32:28 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: jazusamo

Oooh, maybe we can buy them from there.


13 posted on 04/01/2011 5:33:52 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: boop

I have no idea but he sure screwed up, this is a real fiasco.


14 posted on 04/01/2011 5:35:19 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Lol, thank you FRiend.


15 posted on 04/01/2011 5:36:45 PM PDT by potlatch ( ~*coincidences usually aren't *~)
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To: boop

The vast bulk of the political class of both parties would seem to be almost completely divorced from real life, let alone the concept of limited government.


16 posted on 04/01/2011 5:47:22 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jazusamo

Toilets. We have to get commodes on the list in SC.


17 posted on 04/01/2011 5:50:29 PM PDT by arfingcat
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To: jazusamo

And washing machines and dishwashers. I forgot washing machines and dishwashers.


18 posted on 04/01/2011 5:51:17 PM PDT by arfingcat
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To: Persevero

“Oooh, maybe we can buy them from there.”

Well, this sounds like a good idea, but... a company sets up shop in SC (pretty capital-intensive, BTW); then, the feds will set up border agents to check cars for illegal lightbulbs. A tax will be set up for enforcement on everyone (on the assumption that you are purchasing illegal lightbulbs). Far fetched?


19 posted on 04/01/2011 6:00:57 PM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Then the “feds” will need to be arrested and jailed.


20 posted on 04/01/2011 6:09:58 PM PDT by lrslattery
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To: jazusamo; All
I was on another thread here about this same subject, and had a very acrimonious discussion with another person on the issue of these CFL bulbs.

I don't have an issue with the lights themselves. If people want to use them, that is their business if they want to pay the money and a manufacturer thinks they can make money by producing them. What I take issue with is government bureaucrats taking my money via confiscatory taxes, TELLING me how to spend the money they leave me, then passing legislation to DRIVE up the cost of energy so we are FORCED to spend more money to drive our cars, heat our homes and turn on our lights, whether they be incandescent or CFL. These bastards think they are doing us a big favor because they think they know best, and are trying to twist our arms to accept their utopian crap. They think if energy costs go up high enough, their plans to harness unicorn flatulence or whatever will become economically viable.

Well I don't care to take part in their damned experiments. If my town wants to purchase LED based traffic and street lights because it saves the town money and is a guaranteed return on investment, then power to them. If people want these CFL lights in the marketplace as an alternative to make their homes more energy efficient, then I think is is fine and would never say boo to anyone so inclined. Actually, my issue is not even residential lighting. Making citizens purchase stuff we don't want and don't need is NOT going to solve any kind of energy shortage. It is the equivalent of selling carbon credits or putting a magnetic sticker on the back of a car. It is Jimmy Carter wearing sweaters and telling us to turn our thermostats down.

So to make my point that forcing all of us to use these things, have to pay MORE money to buy them (even though most of us have found they don't last nearly as long as the government says they do) Here an the original unaltered graph from Livermore Labs/DOE which I think is a very, very good graphical representation (reflecting the situation in 2009):

As shown below, I cut out a part of that graph and marked it up. Of the four major sectors, residential is the second smallest using just 4.65% of generated electrical power as shown by the graph. Government statistics say lighting consumes 12% of 4.65% of electricity flowing into a house. In the inset (enlarged) part shows the 4.65% pipeline with the red stripe on it showing the lighting share, and the green stripe showing what it would be if we assume 10% efficiency compared to CFL for incandescent bulbs. (The orange pipe leading into the box signifies the RESIDENTAL SECTOR of the energy grid and is representative of energy generated from all sources)

I didn't get this image from some anti-enviroweenie website. I made it myself after analyzing the data on the graph and government data such as estimates of how much lighting uses. And it illustrates the point I make, backed up with the government's own data, that forcing us to do this via statist legislation is basically ANOTHER camel nose in the figurative tent...BECAUSE THEY CAN.

If the market really wanted these lightbulbs, they would have made it on their own without government legislation. But, in my opinion, buying into this without a fight just exacerbates this statist mess we are in covering everything from legislation against transfats and salt in the diet to the amount of water we can flush down our toilet. Liberals think this is great because it is their pet thing that they have bought hook, line and sinker, running around screaming that we are running out of energy. Surrendering to this just invites the government to intrude into EVERY facet of our life.

I don't disparage people for choosing CFL's as a stand to take. I believe I have the data (shown graphically here) to indicate that using CFL's in houses isn't going to save us from anything. It is just a piece of do-gooder legislation that only does just that...makes guilty people feel good. I readily admit that one can make an argument for commercial/industrial building codes and so on, and I might buy into it and agree, the same as I agree with towns purchasing led-based traffic lights. However, building codes are so top heavy with bureaucracy now that I would fight against mandating these in commercial use on those grounds alone.

By my home is my home. And we have gone far too long allowing the government to dictate what we can and cannot do on our own quarter acre of land, small as it is. I am sick to death of it.

21 posted on 04/01/2011 6:40:43 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: jazusamo

Time for a little eco-terrorism of our own. Go to a town hall meeting and drop a few of these CFL’s and make sure to call 911 and a HAZMAT response team. Also make sure that the HAZMAT response team checks everybody for mercury vapor inhalation. Now do it at the City Counsel meet, next the County Commissioners meeting. Heck, find the next “eco-day” meeting and drop a few dozen. After a while the politicians may get the idea that CFL’s are more dangerous than incandescent bulbs.


22 posted on 04/01/2011 6:43:13 PM PDT by Traveler59 ( Truth is a journey, not a destination.)
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To: boop
G.W. Bush seemimgly cared about nothing but invading Irag.

I have little respect for the man.

Why didn't he push to clean up voter fraud,stop illegal immigration,stop government growth and interference,promote oil refineries and drilling,etc.etc.etc.

G.W. Bush was no Constitutional conservative nor did he do much for the Republican party.He was too accomadating to the socialists and as for "Islam is a religion of peace",bah!

Nor have I ever worshipped at the altar of Rove.

Bushes are Democrat Lite.

23 posted on 04/01/2011 6:44:53 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: rlmorel
Heck the local Valero(Venezualan?) gas station has probably 30 large high-wattage mercury vapor lights under its canopy;it is literally bright as day 24/7.They use as much electric for lighting as a couple dozen homes.The city uses huge amounts of lighting and the casinos even more!

But force the the homeowner to have a toilet that won't flush and a light that isn't bright enough to tell if it did ,and we will save the nation!

24 posted on 04/01/2011 6:50:53 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: hoosierham

LOL! You just said in one sentence in your second paragraph what I took a whole lengthy post to say!


25 posted on 04/01/2011 6:52:26 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: Traveler59

I am not even concerned about the mercury, the slowness to reach peak illumination or the confusion one must go through to find a light that has an attractive luminance.

It is the statist intrusion I find most disturbing!


26 posted on 04/01/2011 6:54:04 PM PDT by rlmorel (Capitalism is the Goose that lays The Golden Egg.)
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To: rlmorel

Bookmark bump.


27 posted on 04/01/2011 6:59:51 PM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: jazusamo; l8pilot; 2A Patriot; 2nd amendment mama; 4everontheRight; 77Jimmy; ...
Let's tell the Feds to stuff it!

South Carolina
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28 posted on 04/01/2011 7:04:15 PM PDT by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: rlmorel

Low pressure sodium vapor lights are the UGLIEST thing created by man. How would you like your house illuminated by these buzzing orange freaks of nature? I’ve read where 7/11s put these atrocities on the side of their buildings to scare away the thugs. If an armed robber is driven away by these POS lights, why would a normal person like them in their house?


29 posted on 04/01/2011 7:21:28 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: rlmorel

You said it all. I don’t want the government telling me what bulb, toilet, soap, washing machine, etc. to use. I pay for it and I should be able to make my own choices. Period.


30 posted on 04/01/2011 7:29:52 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: RKBA Democrat
South Carolina has only one, small manufacturer of incandescent bulbs, but the hope is that others will set up shop here, too, if the law passes.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110328/ap_on_re_us/us_light_bulbs_states

31 posted on 04/01/2011 7:30:41 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: hoosierham

Frankly, this was the last straw for me with GWB. I appreciate Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS, and I like having no attacks on the US for 8 years,but this dude was like Nixon. Trying his damndest to be “liked” by the Left by giving them exactly what they wanted. Nixon left office disgraced and hated by everybody. Bush left office being hated by everybody. Reagan left office with a 69% approval rating. Not only was he liked by the republican base, but even the leftists respected him.


32 posted on 04/01/2011 7:32:05 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: jazusamo
Good for South Carolina.

Way too little, but hopefully it's the start of something larger.

33 posted on 04/01/2011 7:43:52 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: boop
but he could have veoted it and sent it back to committee WITHOUT the light bulb ban.

It doesn't have an outright ban. It "merely" establishes minimum efficiency levels.

And that's way beyond Congress' business, IMHO.

34 posted on 04/01/2011 7:45:43 PM PDT by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|http://pure-gas.org|Must be a day for changing taglines)
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To: jazusamo; 17th Miss Regt; 2001convSVT; 2ndDivisionVet; A_Former_Democrat; A_Tradition_Continues; ...
Thanks Army Air Corps! Maybe the States will be able to save us all from the scourge of mercury poisoning by the feral government.

SOUTH CAROLINA has entered the room; again!





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35 posted on 04/01/2011 7:47:24 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: The Antiyuppie

“Well, this sounds like a good idea, but...”

How about mail order?

I don’t think it’s illegal for us citizen types to purchase lightbulbs. Just illegal for manufacturers to sell them here. If it ends up legal in SC presumably we can buy them for our own use.


36 posted on 04/01/2011 7:53:39 PM PDT by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: jazusamo

What’s housing and jobs like over there?


37 posted on 04/01/2011 7:56:31 PM PDT by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: boop
If an armed robber is driven away by these POS lights, why would a normal person like them in their house?

Yes, after all we all want all the armed robbers we can get in the house.

38 posted on 04/01/2011 7:59:38 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: wastedyears

Not good. New construction is really down and existing values are tanking. Seattle is one of the worst in the country I believe.


39 posted on 04/01/2011 8:03:06 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: hoosierham
Heck the local Valero(Venezualan?) gas station...

Minor quibble to help avoid misinformation: Valero is based in San Antonio TEXAS; the T Boone dude owns a large chunk. Maybe you're thinking of CITGO???

40 posted on 04/01/2011 8:03:21 PM PDT by ForGod'sSake (You have only two choices: SUBMIT or RESIST with everything you've got!!!)
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To: hoosierham
"G.W. Bush was no Constitutional conservative nor did he do much for the Republican party."

I distinctly remember, during the 2000 campaign, when GW first said "compassionate conservative" and i thought, "uh oh." But the alternative was vastly worse...

41 posted on 04/01/2011 8:07:45 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: Flag_This
But the alternative was vastly worse...

And consider the alternatives the Democrats have offered.

In my view, you have to go back to 1968 to find somebody who wasn't corrupt or incompetent.

42 posted on 04/01/2011 8:23:14 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: okie01
"And consider the alternatives the Democrats have offered.
In my view, you have to go back to 1968 to find somebody who wasn't corrupt or incompetent."

I would have to go back to 1908, but William Jennings Bryan was no prize either.

43 posted on 04/01/2011 8:29:05 PM PDT by Flag_This (Real presidents don't bow.)
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To: jazusamo

Why don’t they just re-label incandescents as “Heat Lamps”?

I doubt the law would apply if they did.


44 posted on 04/01/2011 8:33:35 PM PDT by WackySam (To argue with a man who has renounced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.)
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To: stylecouncilor

Gee, I wish I lived there.


45 posted on 04/01/2011 8:37:00 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: jazusamo

46 posted on 04/01/2011 8:44:27 PM PDT by NYFreeper
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To: jazusamo
"INTRAstate commerce is not subject to federal regulation."

Well, we know how the federal fascists will take care of that lofty ideal....if a half-inch filament is shipped into a light bulb factory from another state, the transaction will be pounced on and immediately ruled "INTERstate commerce".

See my tag line.....

Leni

47 posted on 04/01/2011 9:02:16 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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To: MinuteGal

No doubt you’re right, the feds will say it’s interstate if the ink for the packaging is from another state.

Love that tag line :-)


48 posted on 04/01/2011 9:08:44 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

Well not a house.


49 posted on 04/01/2011 9:11:37 PM PDT by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: EGPWS
And when electricity becomes less used the Feds will attach maintenance fees
to everyone. This is only about the incremental theft of our money.
FUBO!
50 posted on 04/01/2011 9:17:51 PM PDT by MaxMax
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