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CALIFORNIA: Bill aims to add state to popular-vote movement
San Francisco Chronicle ^
| 4/4/11
| Carla Marinucci, Chronicle Political Writer
Posted on 04/04/2011 7:43:16 AM PDT by SmithL
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:43:18 AM PDT
by
SmithL
To: SmithL
This is actually a very big deal. Liberals see this as a way to gain absolute power by disenfranchising everyone who doesn’t live in a handful of major cities.
It’s a direct attack on our constitutional republic and should not be ignored.
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT
by
Yet_Again
To: SmithL
Useful idiots. They come in red AND blue flavors.
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:48:22 AM PDT
by
wbill
To: SmithL
That's just peachy! California, New York, and Texas will become the electors of the President and the other 47 will become "flyover" country. Popular vote is "pure democracy" and the death of the Republic.
Regards,
GtG
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:49:27 AM PDT
by
Gandalf_The_Gray
(I live in my own little world, I like it 'cuz they know me here.)
To: SmithL
Current tally.
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:49:57 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
To: Gandalf_The_Gray
The Republic would then indeed become a Democracy, and then devolve into a dictatorship. Not a crytal ball, just an appreciation for history.
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:53:27 AM PDT
by
Pecos
(Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
To: FReepers
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:54:43 AM PDT
by
DJ MacWoW
(America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
To: SmithL
This will save lots of money. If this passes everywhere, then politicians need to campaign in only a dozen cities and perhaps seven counties.
And look at how many city precincts get 99+ turnout, all for democrats.
The rest of us can go about our business without having to vote- the decisions will be made by big-city political organizations!
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:56:24 AM PDT
by
DBrow
To: Yet_Again
Yes, but so far it’s only being done in deep blue states like CA and MA. If only blue states do it (and it is unlikely red states would do it exactly for the reasons you point out), then it means a Democrat cannot get elected President unless he wins the popular vote, and any GOP candidate who wins the popular vote will necessarily have an electoral landslide.
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posted on
04/04/2011 7:57:54 AM PDT
by
Thane_Banquo
(Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
To: SmithL
If they want a true representation of voter intent, copy the states of Maine and Nebraska.....the presidential candidate that carries each congressional district receives one electoral vote per district.
Of course, this would never be allowed in California, because the Republicans would capture half of the state’s electoral votes. The heavily populated coastal counties (and congressional districts) are blue; the inland areas are mostly red.
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:00:33 AM PDT
by
july4thfreedomfoundation
(A Jimmy Carter got us a Ronald Reagan......A Barack Obama will get us a Sarah Palin)
To: cripplecreek
Wow! Eject the Red and Orange states from the Union!
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:03:08 AM PDT
by
DCBryan1
(FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
To: july4thfreedomfoundation
What does Maine and Nebraska due with the two electoral votes they get from their Senators?
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:05:15 AM PDT
by
HenpeckedCon
(What pi$$es me off the most is that POS commie will get a State Funeral!)
To: DCBryan1
Fortunately its dead here in Michigan since the GOP takeover.
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:05:22 AM PDT
by
cripplecreek
(Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
To: Thane_Banquo
It could backfire on the Dems.
And I’m hoping it does!
Because, as it stands, GOP candidates will campaign HARD in GOP-leaning states (none of which have enacted this law), AND blue states since raw numbers will help them.
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:24:25 AM PDT
by
RockinRight
(C'mon people - enough with the FR circular firing squad.)
To: SmithL
NEVER. THis must never happen. The Constitution/ Founding Fathers hashed over this long and hard, for very good reasons. Their Compromise should stand. In fact, how can the Constitution be voted on, for and against?
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:24:40 AM PDT
by
bboop
(Stealth Tutor)
To: bboop
If it does, this union is dead.
LLS
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:26:32 AM PDT
by
LibLieSlayer
(WOLVERINES!!!)
To: RockinRight
It would also be difficult for the Democratic candidate to spend money and time campaigning in suburbs and red-leaning swing districts, since the Dem would have to win the popular vote by deeply mining the blue urban areas that he otherwise wouldn’t have to worry about.
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:27:53 AM PDT
by
Thane_Banquo
(Mitt Romney: He's from Harvard, and he's here to help.)
To: SmithL
The article doesn't include the fact the NPV movement is Unconstitutional. It requires a compact between the states. Article 1 Section 10 of the Constitution states "No state shall, without consent of Congress, enter into any agreement or compact with another state".
Amendment XII specifies Electors are to vote for President: "The person having the greatest number of votes for President, shall be President, if such a number be a majority of the whole number of Electors appointed"
The NPV movement will be a fundamental change to the Constitution as it will repeal Amendment XII. Any change in the Constitution can only occur per the Amendment processes in Amendment V of the Constitution. Either one of those processes requires input from the people via the states. The NPV movement is deliberately seeking to omit the people from the equation by not complying with Amendment V and therefore is also Unconstitutional for this reason in addition to Article 1 Section 10.
To: Yet_Again
They should call their plan what it is, Democracy, the worst posible form of government!
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:37:32 AM PDT
by
dalereed
To: SmithL
That’s just stoopid. It already works that way due to gerry mandering and if this passes they will have a lock on Dem’s forever.
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posted on
04/04/2011 8:39:33 AM PDT
by
Vendome
("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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