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Will Koran Burning Be Banned In The United States?
The American Thinker ^ | April 05, 2011 | Allan Wall

Posted on 04/05/2011 4:50:37 AM PDT by Scanian

As an American in the United States of America, you are allowed to do many things.

You can burn the flag. You can burn the Bible. You can produce obscene art and sometimes even get government money to finance it.

You can make movies and TV shows that ridicule Christianity, traditional morality, and that take the Lord's name in vain.

If anybody objects to this, you can just accuse him of trying to impose his values on others. Then start talking about the Salem Witch Trials and the Spanish Inquisition.

Yes, you can do all those things, and more.

But can you burn a Koran?

Yes, but maybe not for long.

Terry Jones, pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, in Gainesville, Florida, became the target of world condemnation last year when he announced he would burn a copy of the Koran in protest.

President Obama didn't want him to do it. Neither did General David Petraeus, commander of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

Actress/Activist Angelina Jolie spoke out against it. I'm still waiting for Angelina to speak out against anti-Christianity in Hollywood.

As a result of his plan to burn a Koran in the U.S.A., Terry Jones received death threats. His website was shut down. The mortgage on his church's property was called in and -- what a coincidence -- the church's property insurance was cancelled. The city of Gainesville threatened to charge the church for protection. And who knows what else happened behind the scenes? All this happened to a private group which wanted to burn a privately-owned book on private property.

What if the powers that be decide your private activity is objectionable ?

In the end, Jones decided not to burn the Koran.

That was seven months ago. But now, he and his group have finally...

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To: org.whodat
"Actually that is what the decision says. You can burn all the crosses you wish, but you cannot burn them on public are other peoples property."

I would have to say that the Supreme Court made the right decision in that instance. There are many things you cannot do on public property or have to apply for a permit to do. Certainly no one would disagree about burning a cross on someone else's property without their consent.
51 posted on 04/05/2011 5:59:38 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Godebert
Over my dead body

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

52 posted on 04/05/2011 6:01:23 AM PDT by expatguy (Support "An American Expat in Southeast Asia" - DONATE)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
What Pastor Jones did by burning the Koran, made our troops less safe. That’s just a plain fact.

If the act of one lone firestarter can jeopardize the safety of all of our troops in Afghanistan, then what is the purpose of our remaining in that hell hole? Other than to prop up an Islamic government that executes converts to Christiany and bans the possession of Bibles and is instituting the same sharia laws that the Taliban enforced before we got there, what in God's name are we trying to accomplish there? Is it worth the life of one more soldier?

53 posted on 04/05/2011 6:02:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Travis McGee

BLOAT

Now, more than ever....


54 posted on 04/05/2011 6:02:11 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Godebert
I think that burning to koran is a waste. I have used a case of them as bedding in my pig pen. They like rolling all over them and they soak up a large quantity of pig urine, Also keep one in the kitchen to lay fired bacon on to absorb the greese, and what is a bathroom without a koran in case you run out of tp.
55 posted on 04/05/2011 6:05:28 AM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: papertyger

Was just adding a few more boxes to the stack last night and wondered “now just when did I buy all THIS?”


56 posted on 04/05/2011 6:05:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: pennboricua

Let’s just say I am a lot less willing to do it when someone else’s child is doing the dying for me.


57 posted on 04/05/2011 6:10:23 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"If the act of one lone firestarter can jeopardize the safety of all of our troops in Afghanistan, then what is the purpose of our remaining in that hell hole?"

I suppose that is a separate question that has to be answered. I think the real question is, are these backward thinking people able to be self governed and enjoy freedom and liberty? It's just a plain fact that some civilizations are not yet evolved enough to understand freedom. I do have my doubts. However, we still need to be there because as far as we know, the leaders of Al Quada are still alive and need to be wiped out or they will be a constant threat to our security. If somewhere along the way, these backward people arrive at some form of modern government, that would be icing on the cake.

If not, leave a strongman in charge who will be friendly to the U.S. One we can influence to enact reforms to slowly bring these people into modernity. Leftist may not like to hear that, but sometimes reality gets in the way of utopia. We can't all be sitting around singing "I like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony" while drinking our cokes...
58 posted on 04/05/2011 6:12:30 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
What Pastor Jones did by burning the Koran, made our troops less safe. That’s just a plain fact.

How do you know this? Aren't they already in a full fire zone? Are they less competent because a koran was burned? Are the enemies more capable? Angrier? More intent on killing?

I'm not so sure. It makes for good PR for Petraeus say it in so far as it makes 0bama happy, but I'm not so sure it's factually correct. I have my doubts.

And if it is true, such as people we are training turning on us and killing our troops, such as the two troops that were killed, then it seems that this traitorous behavior was inherent in the situation and was waiting for any convenient trigger. The pastor was just a handy dupe.

The people responsible for putting our troops into that situation are responsible for that, not the pastor.

59 posted on 04/05/2011 6:13:44 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: BobL

Let’s just imagine that Chamberlain had continued as wartime PM instead of Churchill. Because we have a bunch ofChamberlain types running things in the West now.


60 posted on 04/05/2011 6:15:00 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: org.whodat

Absolutely...what part of the First Amendment don’t those maroons understand?


61 posted on 04/05/2011 6:16:14 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Scanian
the church's property insurance was cancelled.

Not difficult to believe.

Would you want to cover his risk?

62 posted on 04/05/2011 6:21:33 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Joe Boucher
What is wrong with quoting Voltaire here?
63 posted on 04/05/2011 6:23:03 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AppyPappy

You should be glad that there are those that disagree with, and their children are indeed dying for your right.


64 posted on 04/05/2011 6:23:28 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: sickoflibs
the SCOTUS declared that burning a cross is NOT protected free speech but burning a flag is.

The rationale, a not unreasonable one, is that cross-burning is not just the burning of the cross, it is historically and practically a threat of extreme violence. It was the threat which was ruled unprotected, not the burning of the two pieces of wood.

The burning of a flag carries no such history of a threat of violence, except possibly to those doing the burning. :)

65 posted on 04/05/2011 6:26:04 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: pennboricua

Once again, you are not listening to what I am saying. Watch carefully:

IT SHOULD BE LEGAL
IT SHOULD BE LEGAL
IT SHOULD BE LEGAL
IT SHOULD BE LEGAL

Ask the nurse to read that to you until you begin to comprehend.

However, someone could be killed because you did it. If you want to tell some Marine’s mom “Hey, your kid may die because I want to burn a Koran but too bad. What I want to do is more important than YOUR worthless child”. The leftist American media will be more than happy to beam your Koran burning over to Afghanistan so it can inflame the savages to attack our military. But so what? They are expendable, right?


66 posted on 04/05/2011 6:30:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Joe Boucher
Quoting Voltaire now?

I don't know whether or not that quote is from Voltaire but I do know that I was raised with it as the example regarding our Constitutional rights.

I've used it frequently here on FR. What problem do you have with it?

67 posted on 04/05/2011 6:33:16 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Scanian

Burning a copy of Mein Kampf might inflame Germans. treat it with respect or they’ll invade Poland.


68 posted on 04/05/2011 6:41:09 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Travis McGee
I dare any one of the sanctimonious Freepers who have accused Pastor Jones of being an idiot to make the same charge against this woman. Let us pray this video goes viral and it starts a new trend.
69 posted on 04/05/2011 6:48:10 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pennboricua

Great idea! Nice barbeque, beer, and a big pile of korans burning in bacon grease. I like it!!


70 posted on 04/05/2011 6:49:09 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Obama; a skid mark on the undershorts of American history.)
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
However, we still need to be there because as far as we know, the leaders of Al Quada are still alive and need to be wiped out or they will be a constant threat to our security.

They are everywhere. They are in Libya and we are giving them air cover. They are in Egypt and they are preparing to go to war with Israel. They are in Pakistan. They are in Iran. They are in Bahrain. They are everywhere. Should we send our troops everywhere?

We have no legitimate mission in Afghanistan. I don't support the mission because there is no mission. We are merely treading water and enabling the Afghanistan government to grow more and more militantly Islamic.

71 posted on 04/05/2011 7:01:44 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: paulycy
"How do you know this? Aren't they already in a full fire zone? Are they less competent because a koran was burned? Are the enemies more capable? Angrier? More intent on killing?"

Okay, not all of what you said makes sense to me. For one, I don't even know what a full fire zone is. A free fire zone is a term used for fire control measures. If an area is designated as a free fire zone, that means anyone in that zone who is not wearing your uniform or the uniform of your ally is considered an enemy and may be fired upon. As far as I know, there are no free fire zones in Afghanistan (i.e. shoot first, ask questions later).

As far as the competency of our troops in Afghanistan, I'm not even sure how you pulled that out of anything I said. And by the article I cite below:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/asia/02afghanistan.html

You will clearly see that the populace and the enemy are angrier and more intent on killing. Seeing as how they've killed 12 people including four of our nepalese allies. It is as a direct result of protests spured on by mullahs telling them to protest because they are angry at the koran burnings. These are indisputable facts that can't be denied. Not sure why you are even questioning them. The Koran burning made our troops less safe.

Now, whether that is cause for us to question why we're even there is a separate point altogether. One worthy of debate. I say that we still need to be there because the leaders of Al Queada who perpetrated 9/11 are still alive as far as we know. They need to pay for their crimes and the organization needs to be wiped out over there. If not, then they will be back here and maybe this time it will be a nuclear 9/11.
72 posted on 04/05/2011 7:02:09 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Scanian

Make it illegal to own/sell/give away for free outside of a Mosque, a koran in the US.


73 posted on 04/05/2011 7:02:28 AM PDT by sniper63 (Did you plug the hole in the border yet daddy........)
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To: Bluebird Singing

Correct. Everyone is so quick to place the blame at Pastor Jones’s feet.

But what about the MSM? Don’t they have a role in all of this? Of course they do.

Instead of banning freedom of speech (Jones), why not outlaw freedom of the press (MSM)? That way the media will not be allowed to report the Koran burnings, and our troops will be safe to defend our freedoms.

Oh wait.


74 posted on 04/05/2011 7:04:12 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: bk1000; hal ogen; Scanian

I just googled the words “free Koran” and it looks like several links where they are giving them away.


75 posted on 04/05/2011 7:08:04 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: Scanian
Will it be a misdemeanor? A fine? Jail time? Or maybe they'll make burning a koran a capital offense and it can be Americans just doing the job muslims would happily do. Satan smiles.
76 posted on 04/05/2011 7:08:49 AM PDT by GBA (Those who die with the most liberty...Win! Ever Vigilance: For the children.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"We have no legitimate mission in Afghanistan."

For the reasons I stated earlier, I believe we do. As for the other places you mentioned, each situation is different. Al Queada is in America also and we're certainly not going to send our military into New York City to root out an Al Queada cell. The Libyan rebels by and large are regular people from what I have so far read who just want to be free. Can they be co-opted by Al Queada or the Muslim Brotherhood? Absolutely. That's why we need to be working (i.e. CIA) to ensure that they do not co-opt this rebellion.

Not sure if you know this or not. During WWII, many of the French resistance were communists. However, that didn't stop us from working with them. Supplying them weapons and intelligence. At the end of the war, we ensured they weren't the ones calling the shots to rebuild France. We have a chance to get rid of a true despot and turn an enemy into a friendly. We should take it IMO.
77 posted on 04/05/2011 7:09:29 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: paulycy

Nothing pal,
Just kidding him, or her.


78 posted on 04/05/2011 7:11:40 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
For the reasons I stated earlier, I believe we do.

Explain why Americans need to die to uphold a Sharia law government that is doomed to ultimate failure in Afghanistan in 2011.

Explain it to me as if I am the parent of a soldier who was just killed there. What American value did he die for?

79 posted on 04/05/2011 7:13:45 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: AppyPappy
I don’t think it should be illegal. If you want to do it, that’s cool but my child isn’t over in Afghanistan with those lunatics either.

Your logic does not compute. Would your child be less dead if one of those bloodthirsty savages kill him without the Koran-burning thoughts in his mind? Will your child be less likely to die if Koran burning stops? Of course not. You imply the lack of Koran burning will equal lack of Muslim savagery.

80 posted on 04/05/2011 7:14:49 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Responsibility2nd

Without banning freedom of the press, our press managed to diminish the rally on Washington on August 28, 2010. The “President” wasn’t even aware of their presence in Washington that day. See?


81 posted on 04/05/2011 7:15:37 AM PDT by Bluebird Singing
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
What Pastor Jones did by burning the Koran, made our troops less safe. That’s just a plain fact.

That's just plain BS.

82 posted on 04/05/2011 7:15:54 AM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
What Pastor Jones did by burning the Koran, made our troops less safe.

By that token, anyone who says anything bad about Islam here at FR, makes our troops less safe.

83 posted on 04/05/2011 7:18:52 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Scanian
So if I have this flag in my possession it will become illegal? That I challenge the enemies of my home? That I spit on their faith in disgust? That I refuse to capitulate? And the US Government will arrest me for my patriotism?
84 posted on 04/05/2011 7:19:05 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("These people are either at your neck or at your knees" A quote by Winston Churchill)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the link Trav...that was GREAT!! Sent it on to my pals and hope it goes viral!!


85 posted on 04/05/2011 7:21:22 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Obama; a skid mark on the undershorts of American history.)
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To: P-Marlowe
"Explain why Americans need to die to uphold a Sharia law government that is doomed to ultimate failure in Afghanistan in 2011.

Explain it to me as if I am the parent of a soldier who was just killed there. What American value did he die for?"


As a retired Marine who is a multiple combat veteran I don't appreciate the self righteousness of your response to me. I'm not advocating something that I haven't already done. And volunteered to do at that. Just like our fine young people in the current military. Believe me, if it were at all possible to take this old jarhead back, I'd gladly volunteer to go to Afghanistan. As for your question, I did already answer it to you in post 58. I will repost it here:

"However, we still need to be there because as far as we know, the leaders of Al Quada are still alive and need to be wiped out or they will be a constant threat to our security."

I posted it also to another poster in post 72 which I will re-post here:

"Now, whether that is cause for us to question why we're even there is a separate point altogether. One worthy of debate. I say that we still need to be there because the leaders of Al Queada who perpetrated 9/11 are still alive as far as we know. They need to pay for their crimes and the organization needs to be wiped out over there. If not, then they will be back here and maybe this time it will be a nuclear 9/11."

Now, you may not like the reasons I give. But I did give my reasoning and not duck it. We can debate my reasoning if you wish. But lets drop the sanctimony of asking some Mom what American value her son died for. That's a tactic leftist use and it's B.S.
86 posted on 04/05/2011 7:23:20 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: DManA
The more our governments try to use this to trash the first amendment the more people will think they need to burn korans to make a point - not to muslims, but to our own government.

Very good! And right on the mark.

87 posted on 04/05/2011 7:23:54 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse (Obama; a skid mark on the undershorts of American history.)
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To: Scanian
Whether one agrees or disagrees, it's not like they haven't given it some thought: Ten Reasons to JUDGE, then BURN the KORAN … again
88 posted on 04/05/2011 7:25:41 AM PDT by GBA (Those who die with the most liberty...Win! Ever Vigilance: For the children.)
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To: dfwgator; Sir Gawain

Read my post 72 where I explain why our troops are less safe because of the Koran burnings. I didn’t say I advocate outlawing the practice. I just say that Pastor Jones is a jackass for doing it. However, the Constitution is there for jackasses as well as right minded people. My cynical view is that he did this because he’s like the attention whores from that stupid church in Kansas that protests military funerals with “God Hates Fags” signs.


89 posted on 04/05/2011 7:26:47 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: P-Marlowe
Explain it to me as if I am the parent of a soldier who was just killed there. What American value did he die for?

Something Cindy Sheehan was spouting eight years ago.


90 posted on 04/05/2011 7:28:08 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: Joe Boucher

:0)


91 posted on 04/05/2011 7:28:35 AM PDT by paulycy (Islamo-Marxism is Evil.)
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To: Scanian

Here’s something I haven’t seen mentioned in this discussion:

Mohamed Atta intended to take a koran with him to be destroyed in the FIREball when the plane crashed into the WTC.

Although he checked a bag and had every intention of it going with him on the flight, it was delayed and remained behind. In that bag was a copy of the koran.

source: http://articles.latimes.com/2001/oct/06/news/mn-54147


92 posted on 04/05/2011 7:33:07 AM PDT by Carlucci (Don't care what religion my president is, as long as he worships -- THE CONSTITUTION!)
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To: Doe Eyes
"Something Cindy Sheehan was spouting eight years ago."

Thank you. My point exactly! This is a tactic of the left and it disturbs me sometimes that people here hate Obama so much that anything he does they reflexively want to criticize. If Bush were in office and we did a surge in Afghanistan people on here would be supporting it. I have faith in General Petraeus, not Obama that we will succeed in our goals in Afghanistan. Hopefully one day we will get Bin Laden and Zarawhiri in the Peshawar region of Pakistan.
93 posted on 04/05/2011 7:34:26 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Old Teufel Hunden
My cynical view is that he did this because he’s like the attention whores from that stupid church in Kansas that protests military funerals with “God Hates Fags” signs.

Stupid lawmakers, like Lindsey Graham, and General Petraeus, give him all the publicity he so desperately craves.

94 posted on 04/05/2011 7:34:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Scanian

Did I pick historically a wrong time to wake up every morning peeing a picture of Mohammad on a Koran?

Is that wrong?


95 posted on 04/05/2011 7:36:03 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Sir Gawain

You mean like playing the Rodney King beatings over and over by the media led to the riots in LA?


96 posted on 04/05/2011 7:38:05 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: dfwgator
"Stupid lawmakers, like Lindsey Graham, and General Petraeus, give him all the publicity he so desperately craves."

Can't argue with you about Graham. What he said about free speech is the most disturbing thing in this whole mess. Next to the display of ignorance by the Afghanis. However, I disagree about Petraeus. His concern is for the troops and his statements were made (I believe) after all the Afghanis were riled up, not before.
97 posted on 04/05/2011 7:38:25 AM PDT by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: Sherman Logan
RE :”The rationale, a not unreasonable one, is that cross-burning is not just the burning of the cross, it is historically and practically a threat of extreme violence. It was the threat which was ruled unprotected, not the burning of the two pieces of wood. The burning of a flag carries no such history of a threat of violence, except possibly to those doing the burning. :)

I don't buy it. It was a political ruling. If I burn a Koran or a flag who is to know what the ‘real’ meaning of my message is? What about a confederate flag?? I file this with ‘hate’ crimes.

I never understood how the Federal government can outlaw certain speech in the private employer workplace based on offended feelings either, short a more restrictive consistent definition of the first amendment that only protects political speech(a Scalia type definition).

Thanks for the contrary view, always makes it more interesting :)

98 posted on 04/05/2011 7:42:01 AM PDT by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: Scanian

Rather than burning it, tear out pages to carry around and drop one page in every public urinal that you encounter. Much more bang for your buck. This encourages others to get in on the program and the message gets spread quicker on the grass roots level.


99 posted on 04/05/2011 7:44:20 AM PDT by woollyone ("The trouble with socialism is you run out of other people's money to spend." Margaret Thatcher)
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To: pennboricua
July 4, 2011 should become a BURN A KORAN day as a way of celebrating our Right of Free Speech.

I think you may be onto something. What a choice for firing up the charcoal on the 4th.....nation-wide.
100 posted on 04/05/2011 7:44:53 AM PDT by domeika
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