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NRA: The Untold Story of Gun Confiscation After Katrina
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Posted on 04/05/2011 10:42:27 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA

I know this video is several years old, but people need to know that the govt is ready and willing to take your rights away.

This abomination can never happen again.

(Excerpt) Read more at youtube.com ...


TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: banglist; katrina; nra

1 posted on 04/05/2011 10:42:29 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA
They government would do it in a heartbeat. Simply proclaim a disaster and say it's for the publics safety. It would be hard to do on a macro scale though, not enough storm troopers...

Mike

2 posted on 04/05/2011 10:46:12 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: MichaelP

I have been trying to imagine if something on the scale of Japan happened here if they were forcibly disarming people after Katrina.


3 posted on 04/05/2011 10:54:04 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Obama has fired more cruise missiles than any other Nobel peace prize winner.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
I suppose it would depend on who was in the White House, though it was Bush during Katrina...

Mike

4 posted on 04/05/2011 10:57:20 AM PDT by MichaelP (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools ~HS)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Just remember that the main thing they will need is a list of what guns each person has.

This is why they keep on hammering on the ‘gun-show loophole LIE’ – they call the legislation to implement this type of control “baby steps” and “a good start”.

This is partially to absolve themselves when this measure fails to do anything, but it also telegraphs that they have further steps in mind.

Apropos of nothing, but here’s a link to an interesting blog entry from Cheaper than Dirt on Long-term Gun Storage:

http://cheaperthandirtcom.blogspot.com/2009/09/long-term-gun-storage.html

I don’t know about anyone else, but it’s rather bit disconcerting that a commercial source is openly talking about this.

Not that we all have not been doing so ourselves.


5 posted on 04/05/2011 11:01:19 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: Red in Blue PA
The police "might not be" the enemy but they are not your friends either...
6 posted on 04/05/2011 11:17:00 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour (With The Resistance...)
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To: JohnRLott

ping


7 posted on 04/05/2011 11:17:52 AM PDT by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - It's only uncivil when someone on the right does it.- Laz)
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To: MichaelP
They government would do it in a heartbeat.

One of these days some learned individual needs to do a treatise on who "the government" really is.

8 posted on 04/05/2011 11:22:53 AM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: RobinOfKingston

We, the people are the government. The question is, “Are we ever going to stand up and take control again?”


9 posted on 04/05/2011 11:25:44 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: MichaelP
it would depend on who was in the White House

Not at all. It was the police chief and Mayor Nagan that made the decision to take guns away from law abiding citizens. Not the White House's.

That's why even local elections are so important. A leftist anywhere at any level can and will destroy the Constitution at any given opportunity.

10 posted on 04/05/2011 11:26:53 AM PDT by Domandred (Fdisk, format, and reinstall the entire .gov system.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

There’s a book about it — GREAT AMERICAN GUN GRAB. Cops were taking away guns from law-abiding citizens trying to protect their homes. Then going back and robbing the houses when people left. Thugs running amok. “State of emergency” declared by the city suspending Constitutional rights.

Kind of like the “Free speech is a good idea... but this is a war.” Emergency = basis to take away all our rights.


11 posted on 04/05/2011 11:27:21 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Red in Blue PA
Heed the words of George Santayana:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

The lesson we all should have learned from Katrina is not to trust the government with our personal security.
In addition to other steps, we all need to have an “Insurance Policy” of extra firearms hidden away in case of need.

12 posted on 04/05/2011 11:31:51 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: Red in Blue PA

>I have been trying to imagine if something on the scale of Japan happened here if they were forcibly disarming people after Katrina.<

I presume you are referring to looting. The Amish who could still stand up would immediately start looting even if their home was demolished. They view looting as “earning money” because everything is for sale in their world. That’s a fact not a supposition.


13 posted on 04/05/2011 11:35:03 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: BerserkPatriot

Anyone who surrenders their weapons to someone saying they have authority to confiscate them or registers them ANYWHERE deserves to die on their knees.


14 posted on 04/05/2011 11:39:43 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Trust me, I know someone that works for them and this person sounds like Michael Moore at times.

This person is a tried and true leftist and they can’t be the only ones.

If that’s not a scary thought for you, nothing is.

15 posted on 04/05/2011 11:39:48 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: GYL2

Ping... and thanks for posting this.


16 posted on 04/05/2011 11:45:20 AM PDT by gruffwolf
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To: B4Ranch

As others have speculated, the most likely scenario is that the gun grabbers will push the issue as far as they can go and then change over to an ‘Emergency Powers’ regime to complete the task of disarming their enemies.

Registration is their Holy Grail, but just having federal control of all gun sales would have them sitting pretty.

They would love to just be able to order us all to “Turn them in” but they know that’s not in the cards.

So, once they’ve got their ownership database, if need be, they can use some sort of emergency to begin grabbing them, with the hope on their part that enough people don’t have them squirreled away to make it difficult for them after the fact.


17 posted on 04/05/2011 11:51:10 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: TigerClaws
Cops were taking away guns from law-abiding citizens trying to protect their homes.

They are not your friend. They will follow whomever signs theur paycheck.

18 posted on 04/05/2011 12:04:41 PM PDT by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
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To: MichaelP
Yes Bush was in the White House but the order came from Ray Nagin . Sadly some feds & volunteer cops went along with it .

Since that time however things have gotten better, with the Supreme Court ruling that the 2nd amendment does indeed mean you may own a firearm for self defense, as well as various states passing laws making it a crime for cops to try to do a gun seizure stunt as was done in New Orleans after Katrina.

And some states have even amended the state constitution to include the right to bear arms,and more & more people are aware of these facts .

19 posted on 04/05/2011 12:04:47 PM PDT by Nebr FAL owner (.308 reach out & thump someone .50 cal.Browning Machine gun reach out & crush someone)
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To: Sarajevo

Truer words were never spoken!!!


20 posted on 04/05/2011 12:13:01 PM PDT by spitter
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To: Red in Blue PA

So the NRA is FINALLY going to press this disgrace??? I lost all respect for Jindal when he didn’t make this a top priority item after his election.


21 posted on 04/05/2011 12:55:51 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Red in Blue PA

Apparently some of the bro’ cops who stole Cadillacs after the hurricane wanted new shooters to go with their new rides!!! This was the PERFECT time for actual American citizens to rise up and shoot a few of the thug “police” attempting to steal their weapons. We must not allow this sort of contempt for our rights just because someone wears a badge.


22 posted on 04/05/2011 1:00:15 PM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Oldpuppymax

“This was the PERFECT time for actual American citizens to rise up and shoot a few of the thug “police” attempting to steal their weapons.”

Sorry but there is no perfect time to start shooting cops, unless of coarse you have a serious death wish or a gang that is better armed and organized than the cops. You may get one or two of them but I guarantee they will hunt you down and kill you. New Orleans cops may be thugs and lawless but they are the best organized and equipped gang out there and just like any other gang they will come after anybody that goes after one of their members. They also have the added advantage of not having to worry about being arrested after filling you full of .40 inch holes.

There needs to be more accountability for when cops do lawless things like they did after Katrina and certainly for the Mayor Chocolate for ordering the seizure of guns from citizens. But as bad as the current cops are they are pussy cats compared to what’s happening in Mexico where law and order have broken down and drug cartels rule the land.


23 posted on 04/05/2011 1:41:02 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: BerserkPatriot

>>As others have speculated, the most likely scenario is that the gun grabbers will push the issue as far as they can go and then change over to an ‘Emergency Powers’ regime to complete the task of disarming their enemies.

Registration is their Holy Grail, but just having federal control of all gun sales would have them sitting pretty.<<

That is exactly why I have been preaching for the last decade about how important it is to know where your Mayor, Chief of Police, a few senior FBI, DEA, BATFE agents live. You need their home address. If they ever order violence against us or demand we surrender our 2nd Amendment RIGHTS then stick a bullet through their front door or the kitchen window and I’ll guarantee you that their dinner conversation that evening will be very exhilarating.

A single .22 bullet into their residence will provoke a one sided conversation the likes of which I am sure they have never experienced in their lives.

Don’t go after the dog on the street wearing the badge and gun. Go after his executive level boss who made the decision that citizens aren’t worthy of rights.


24 posted on 04/05/2011 2:25:29 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are .)
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To: trapped_in_LA

So how do we the people attain more accountability for when cops do lawless things, like shooting innocent unarmed people in the head or back? How do we the people hold them accountable when they shoot our pets, throw paraplegics out of their wheelchairs on the floor, or just plain beat the crap out of people when they get po’d? They may look like pussycats to you now, but in time they will look more and more like the riffraff in Mexico.


25 posted on 04/05/2011 2:37:49 PM PDT by spitter
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To: spitter

“They may look like pussycats to you now, but in time they will look more and more like the riffraff in Mexico.”

Compared to the daily beheadings that are going on in Mexico they are pussycats. That being said I think that there needs to be some kind of independent organization that reviews cop shootings at the State level and has the power of arrest and prosecution of cops that do these types of things. It is obvious that the “internal affairs” departments in all police organizations should be relabeled as “internal coverups for bad cops” department since they all rubber stamp any and all cop killings as “justified”. Also the local prosecutors are loath to actually bring up charges and aggressively prosecute them so you would need to set up a separate system that only dealt with cops, judges and prosecutors that is also accountable to the people. Good luck getting something like that implemented though.

The only other thing that you can do is sue in Federal court. Not as satisfying as seeing the cops do the perp walk but at least you’re alive which beats being dead by a long shot.


26 posted on 04/05/2011 2:50:08 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

“Compared to the daily beheadings that are going on in Mexico they are pussycats”
My point is that they are very close, to being just as ruthless as their Mexican counterparts if not there already. Right now, every thing is in their favor, but with the event of a Katrina like situation occuring but on a much larger scale they will turn just as ugly as their Mexican partners in crime. They are killing for sport now IMHO. So what do we the people do? Just Asking??


27 posted on 04/05/2011 3:07:07 PM PDT by spitter
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To: spitter

“They are killing for sport now IMHO. So what do we the people do? Just Asking??”

There are MAYBE one or two cops that MIGHT be killing for sport. Most of them are not, they are simply a product of their training which is “officer safety is job one”. They are trained to be quick on the trigger with no hesitation, kind of like the army trains soldiers for battle. This is all because of the war on drugs which has been used as an excuse to militarize our police, that plus unions and a pervasive “us against them” attitude where cops view ordinary citizens as “them” and lump us in with the criminals makes cops very deadly if you make them nervous.

Cops right now are kind of like women, you can’t live with them but you can’t live without them ;). They are a pain in the butt but they are also necessary for civilized society. I think that you have a perception problem if you think that they are anywhere near like the Mexican drug cartels and would suggest that you get out a smell the flowers or something to try to get some perspective on things. The real problem is that there is no accountability for the actions of cops and until that changes there will be no real change in what is going on.

Nazi Germany would have been a good example of when it would make sense to start shooting back, if you were a Jew it would not make much difference and you would only be choosing the time and method of your demise. I don’t see that we are anywhere close to that kind of situation because as I said before if you shoot a cop you ARE going to die (or if you’re lucky you’ll just spend the rest of your life in prison).


28 posted on 04/05/2011 3:32:44 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: B4Ranch
We, the people are the government. The question is, “Are we ever going to stand up and take control again?”

[...] accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. - Declaration of Independence

I don't know.

29 posted on 04/05/2011 3:40:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

“Are we ever going to stand up and take control again?”

The only way to “take control” is to win in the political arena. If you don’t like what’s going on then get out and run for office, hell even dog catcher (if they have and election for that) can help influence public policy. The days that a rebel fraction could win against a modern state are long since past (the Civil War proved that one so let’s move on). A popular non-violent uprising similar to what happened in Russia might work but I’m not sure that you’ll be any better off (just look at Russia today).

Face it, the majority have spoken, this is what they want, if you can’t convince them to change in a peaceful manner then forget it and move to some place that you like better. If there is no place better then just continue to agitate for change in the political sphere, it can be done, it just takes a bit more work than these odd phantasies that people have of reliving the American Revolution in modern times.


30 posted on 04/05/2011 4:00:13 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

“Sorry but there is no perfect time to start shooting cops, unless of coarse you have a serious death wish or a gang that is better armed and organized than the cops.”

Which is what happened during Katrina. The sheriffs of two counties kept the thug cops out of their counties.

It’s a very good idea to elect a constitutional sheriff in your county. Then form up an armed volunteer auxiliary deputy force for “emergencies.”

We elected one of these constitutional sheriffs in my county. An elected sheriff accountable to the people via the ballot box is the only proper peace officer for a free people.


31 posted on 04/05/2011 5:15:06 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: trapped_in_LA

This is all because of the war on drugs which has been used as an excuse to militarize our police, that plus unions and a pervasive “us against them” attitude where cops view ordinary citizens as “them” and lump us in with the criminals makes cops very deadly if you make them nervous.

Exactly, like the cops in Mexico?! Look, whether it’s one or 21 killed, cops killing innocent unarmed citizens as they have done numerous times should not be tolerated, period. And as long as these atrocities are allowed to continue it will get progressively worse. How many were killed at WACO? Ruby Ridge? How many were involed in the murder of Gordon Kahl? Where do you think these directives come from? Every time I see the video of Katrina I get angry
and I think you should too! The way I see it is some folks like you are willing to accept it and some like me are not willing to.

Cops don’t prevent crime, they do follow ups and make out reports after the fact and don’t even like to do much of that any more either. The way I see it is they are the parasites! I don’t think there is a garden big enough anywhere to cause me to think differently of them or what their agenda is all about. But I’m just a woman, who thinks that it is past time to put a stop to their criminal behaviours against the good citizens who pay their damn wages.


32 posted on 04/05/2011 5:24:24 PM PDT by spitter
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To: spitter

“Every time I see the video of Katrina I get angry
and I think you should too! The way I see it is some folks like you are willing to accept it and some like me are not willing to.”

Yep I get angry but there is NO excuse for violence. Look at what happened after Katrina, the Chocolate Mayor was re-elected by the people that had this happen to them. That tells me that the majority of people agreed with what was done and fully supported it. If your rights have been violated then sue the pants off of them in Federal court. And above all MOVE, get the heck out of New Orleans (or any major city) if you can. If you can’t afford to, well not much you can do but vote against them and keep your head down. Life isn’t fair and most times the bad guy wins, that sucks but that’s the way it is.

Seriously though, think about it. Human nature doesn’t change so you can change out the current a$$h###s for new ones but you still have a bunch of a$$h###s in charge as there is an unlimited supply of them. Cops are needed to keep the barbarians at the gate from over-running society. They need more accountability and we should be pushing for that not obsessing about Waco or Ruby Ridge which just makes you sound crazy and allows those in power to dismiss you out of hand.


33 posted on 04/05/2011 7:18:59 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: sergeantdave

“Which is what happened during Katrina. The sheriffs of two counties kept the thug cops out of their counties.”

Good for you. It always amazes me how willing people are to put up with the corruption that infests most major cities. They can see it, they are victims of it but they turn right around and vote those same people in time after time. New Orleans, Chicago, New York, the list goes on and on. You would think that the voters would rise up and throw out the corrupt bastards but they never do. They just keep pulling the lever with the (D) and then go collect their welfare check.


34 posted on 04/05/2011 7:27:17 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA
If you don’t like what’s going on then get out and run for office,

I'll admit I've been tempted to, though I am somewhat reluctant because a) I have little to no experience in management and b) I have a fairly low BS {read "playing 'politics'"} tolerance; on the plus-side I do have a plan for if I were Governor.

35 posted on 04/05/2011 8:29:09 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: trapped_in_LA

“officer safety is job one”

Is the problem. I can think of many scenarios where the safety of others might preclude my doing the best thing for myself. I pray this may not ever occur, but it is still drilled into me, and I hope I would not fail it.


36 posted on 04/05/2011 9:24:01 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: OneWingedShark

“on the plus-side I do have a plan for if I were Governor.”

Don’t we all, ah if I were King then things would get set right! I probably would make a total mess of it, but I don’t have the personality for public office either. I’ve known a few people that have run for public office and winning has nothing to do with personality. It’s all about money and getting out the vote, if you’re an insider your party (repub or dem) can provide an amazing amount of resources, the most important being “boots on the ground” that get those voters to either send in the ballot or get to the voting booth. Without that you’re fighting an uphill battle that only money or celebrity can overcome.

It pays to got to the party functions and make contacts because if they like you they can get you that leg up that you’ll need.


37 posted on 04/05/2011 9:49:54 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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To: trapped_in_LA

“Yep I get angry but there is no excuse for violence.”

I respect your opinion but I strongly disagree with it. You must have had a very sheltered life. The truth is violence is sometimes necessary and to varying degrees. I don’t like it but I’m not affraid of it either.

As for me sounding crazy to those in power obsessing about WACO and Ruby Ridge and dismissing me, you think it more favorable to ignore it and gain their favor? I think not!! Not that you could anyway. I’d rather sound crazy to murdering b@sturds and take a stand for what is right than live my life with my head down in shame. I agree with you though that human nature does not change and that we will always have riffraff among us, but tolerating and ignoring their actions is not a solution. The bad guy does not always win!

As for moving out to the country, I did that a long time ago.


38 posted on 04/06/2011 3:50:34 AM PDT by spitter
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To: trapped_in_LA

” a gang that is better armed and organized than the cops.”

You hit the target with this statement. That is why patriots need to get to work and create a “gang” that’s better armed and organized than cops.

The “gang” that patriots need is an elected constitutional sheriff. If you look at our founding, patriots organized “committees of safety” (sheriffs and deputies) to take on the Tory thugs. We need to do the same.


39 posted on 04/06/2011 4:54:02 AM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: trapped_in_LA
Yep I get angry but there is NO excuse for violence.

Really?

So they can take honest people's guns? The 2A doesn't matter?

How about if they went around forcefully duct taping people's mouths shut, stomping on the 1A too? No violence there either?

Just comply with whatever they ask.....err force. Great plan/s
40 posted on 04/06/2011 12:11:47 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (Obama has fired more cruise missiles than any other Nobel peace prize winner.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

“Really?”

Wake up and smell the decay. We long ago gave up our rights, cops can and have stormed into peoples homes (usually at 3 am), shot the dog and maybe grandma if she made a threatening move, on the slightest pretext. They can take your kids based on an anonymous tip from the neighbor they can seize any cash you may have and you’ll have to prove that it was earned honestly in order to get it back (and will not be reimbursed for lawyer fees). You can be kicked out of your house with just the clothes on your back based only on the word of your wife or SO. You can be arrested and thrown in prison for not paying child support debts. You can be arrested for praying too close to an abortion clinic or trying to talk one of the women going in out of murdering her child. You can be virtually strip searched and groped at the airport for the crime of wanting to fly.

I could go on but you get the idea, every one of these things happened with the enthusiastic support of most Americans. They have willingly given up their rights by voting for the idiots that made these laws and voted for the judges that upheld these laws as “constitutional”. This is what the majority wants and in a democracy the majority wins. Very few have taken up arms because of these violations of our “rights” and those few are currently either 6 ft under or rotting in prison.

Most people do not take up arms because they prefer live as somewhat free serfs rather than dead patriots as can be seen from the majority of people NOT going postal. It has always amazed me when I look at some of the outrageous things that have happened to people that they never grab a gun and started shooting. But that is the way of human nature, we will not fight back until either there is nothing to lose OR some leader(s) emerge that make a case for revolt and provide a reasonable probability of success. Even during the American Revolution very few people actually took up arms and that under pretty much ideal circumstances where we had the backing of France, decent leadership and an enemy separated by an ocean.

So what are the alternatives? Most reasonable people will just ignore it and move on with what life they can eek out of the circumstances they find themselves in. A few will agitate for political change and get involved in lobbying or some such thing.

Almost none will grab a gun and go shooting people unless they are mentally unstable (usually on prozac or some other drug that lowers your resistance to impulsive actions) or think that they have nothing left lose. Even in these cases the gunman usually doesn’t shoot the one responsible for whatever grievance they have but just anyone that happens to be around at the time they snap. I guarantee that most people will condemn the shooters actions which means that any sympathy the public might have had for your cause is gone. Further more they will then associate negative things with anyone else that is agitating politically for that cause so in the end you’ll lose even more rights.

Do you really think that shooting the New Orleans cops trying to seize guns after Katrina would have changed anything for the better? More than likely it would have lead to an even more severe crack down on rights and an escalation of violence by the cops who would then be even more likely to shoot first and ask questions later. Why? Because that’s human nature, when those in power have that power challenged they react with even more force in order to bring those under them into line.

So even though I believe that the 2nd amendment is an individual right I think there is a reason it was also tied to state militias. It was not supposed to be for some Rambo fighting the Man solo but to be used as a way for the States to keep the federal government in line. Unfortunately the Civil war and the complete federalization of State Militias (now National Guard units) means that there is no counter balance to federal power or to State power since those militias were volunteer organizations that could also rebel against State abuses (helps to have a ready made military organization if you want to revolt).

Any rational person can see that grabing a gun and shooting people isn’t going to change things (given the current circumstances) so yes, there is NO excuse for violence as it will just make things worse not better.

Are there circumstances where violence does make sense? Yes, but they are such extreme circumstances that it is highly unlikely that you’ll ever see them. A good example was the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto during WWII when they rose up against the Nazis and started fighting back. They had no chance, but they also had nothing to lose since they already knew they were dead anyway. Currently I don’t see anything short of O declaring himself King that would justify taking up arms against the government, and even then I’d have to think about it and wait to see which way the military went because if they backed O in that kind of thing then you’d have no chance and I’m not one for committing suicide.

If you want to change things the only way is to get involved in the political process. Get out and convince people to support your cause, whatever that might be. Organize or contribute to organizations that support your cause. In Louisiana after they saw the abuses by the chocolate mayor and his thugs, the citizens protested, called in and agitated until they changed state laws to prevent that from ever happening again. Now that’s change I can believe in! All across this nation we are winning back some of our rights (and losing some as well) through the political process, NOT through threats of violence.


41 posted on 04/06/2011 2:05:00 PM PDT by trapped_in_LA
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