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Trump sends investigators to Hawaii to look into Obama
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Posted on 04/07/2011 7:20:45 AM PDT by quesney

Washington (CNN) – Self-proclaimed birther Donald Trump is now so doubtful of President Obama's birthplace that he's sent a team of his own investigators to Hawaii in hopes of getting to the bottom of the issue.

That's according to Trump himself, who, in an interview with NBC, warned his investigators just might uncover "one of the greatest cons in the history of politics and beyond."

"I have people that have been studying it and they cannot believe what they're finding," Trump said an interview that aired Thursday Morning.

Asked if he has assigned people specifically to search in Hawaii, Trump said, "Absolutely."

The business mogul, who in a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll is tied for second place among potential presidential candidates, also suggested the president is involved in an ongoing cover-up over the matter.

"He spent $2 million in legal fees trying on to get away from this issue, and if it weren't an issue, why wouldn't he just solve it?" he said. "I wish he would because if he doesn't, it's one of the greatest scams in the history of politics and in the history, period. You are not allowed to be a president if you're not born in this country. Right now, I have real doubts."

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KEYWORDS: april2011; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; donaldtrump; hawaii; investigators; naturalborncitizen; obama; thedonald; trump; trump2012
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To: mojito

Think about the collateral damage this would have on the DNC , the Democrats and the MSM’s credibility, they are also in this for keep also, for the life of their party...


301 posted on 04/07/2011 2:31:36 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: NWFLConservative

We have a number of fine, very coservative, patriotic members of Freerepublic.com who happen to be black. It makes me wonder what they think when they see ebonic-type racial mocking on this forum.


302 posted on 04/07/2011 2:32:38 PM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: walterandrews
To start with fella, Bozo isn't going to come up with a genuine BC, he would have done so by now if he had one, and he certainly wouldn't have spent 2 million of his stolen dollars to fight court challenges if he had a $20 certificate he could have flashed, and he certainly wouldn't have put a forged COLB(which isn't proof even if it wasn't forged)on the internet if he had a long form to do so.

The fake COLB is the proof positive he doesn't have a long form to show, or doesn't want to show the long form, for whatever reason. He would not have put the fake up if he wasn't concerned about the issue, and if he is that concerned and had a real long form to show he would have shown it by now.

Making a loud noise about it is the best way to handle it. Keeping quiet about it is the cowards way to handle this mess.

303 posted on 04/07/2011 2:34:40 PM PDT by calex59
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To: quesney

The Donald is bluffing and acting as a distraction.
I’m not sure what his motive is but pretty certain he actually voted for Obama in 2008.


304 posted on 04/07/2011 2:37:53 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (Remember, Reflect, Renew: 2011, 10 years since 9/11. Never Forget.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Rumors have it that Axelrod has been seeking a way out of the Obama administration, if he hasn’t done so already.

Valerie Jarrett and FL Michelle Obama are racists who hate whites and made it uncomfortable for Rahm Emmanuel to function in his job, and no doubt for any whites still in the administration. How Jay Carney stands it is anyone’s guess.

So Emmanuel and Axelrod, both Jews, are no longer carrying water for Obama who is hell-bent on destroying Israel.

I suspect that both men are conduits for Trump, who is pro-Israel. The Clintons privately slam Jews and are not supporters of Israel. So are Emmanuel and Axelrod conduits for them?


305 posted on 04/07/2011 2:40:30 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SMARTY
" I believe that American voters, across the board, have been betrayed! The perpetrators of this fraud have been laughing in their sleeves at us for a very long time!! "

Don't let your heart be troubled, we hope within the next few months there will be calls from Congress for Obama to either resign or be removed from office.
306 posted on 04/07/2011 2:40:30 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: calex59

You nailed it. ‘Keeping quiet’ is the way of the GOP leadership. And what is their reward? They are ever more vilely and intensely vilified by Dems and the MSM.

Trump is loud. He makes noise and shows no fear. He’s got the Dems and the MSM wetting themselves. He’s changing minds and hearts as everyday Americans watch the knee pad media twist themselves into nonsensical knots in their attempt to deflect him. He’s bringing this home to the fraudster in the Oval Office, to very good effect. We need more of what he’s doing, not less.


307 posted on 04/07/2011 2:41:55 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: La Enchiladita

He donated the max to McCain, and very publicly and strongly endorsed him. It’s even noted on HuffPo that Trump voted for McCain.


308 posted on 04/07/2011 2:43:58 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: MRobert

Many folks have posted here on FR that they put birth notices in their local papers for grandchildren born overseas; did you ever see that happen in your newspaper?


309 posted on 04/07/2011 2:45:58 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: calex59

I don’t think so. If I were him at this point, I’d hold onto that birth certificate until there is optimal benefit in revealing it. That point hasn’t come yet. That point will come when some conservative, fueled by the loudmouths out there screaming about the birth certificate, gets goaded into trumpeting their birth certificate in a debate with Obama. This is not an October surprise that we want, folks.


310 posted on 04/07/2011 2:51:12 PM PDT by walterandrews
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To: Fantasywriter
Fantasywritier, the reason I always challange birther claims posted without any substantiating evidence is because birthers have a tendency to believe things that someone else has just made up out of whole cloth, and then repeat them. Hence the easiest way to debunk most birther claims is to simply ask for proof. When you can't produce proof, your claim is debunked. Period.

By responding to me the way you did above, you revealed to me that you were just repeating a rumor and had obviously had not seen any actual evidence that Obama's grandmother said he was born in Kenya. You just saw it repeated on various blogs, "all over the internet," as you say, and that caused you to believe it. You seem to be under the mistaken impression that just because some factoid is being cited "all over the internet," then it must be true, or at the least, has a high degree of probability of being true.

What you fail to grasp is the ease with which it is to make up and spread false rumors on the internet. That's why it is really stupid to believe anything, or even assign it some non-zero probability of being true, just because you see it "all over the internet," as you like to say.

Many things, especailly things related to Birthism, have been proven false despite the fact that they were "all over the internet." You want some examples? How about the birther myth that there was a US travel ban to Pakistan when Obama visited the country. There's the myth that Maya Seotoro, Obama's Indonesian-born half sister, has a Hawaiian COLB. There's the myth that some Hawaiian state agencies did not, until recently, accept COLB's a proof of birth in the state. There's the myth that McCain had to show his birth certificate to a Senate Committee. There's the myth that McCain was born in Colon, Panama. I could go on all day listing blatently false birther rumers that birthers have continued to repeat on blogs, long after they were disproven, in some cases even until this day.

So tell me, Fantasywriter, given the history of birther blogs making up rumors up out of whole cloth, and then other blogs and birthers repeating those rumors ad nausium, why do fail to demand evidence before believing? Given the birther history of false rumors, it's a pretty good bet that if there's a birther claim being repeated all over the 'net, but no evidence has ever been presented to back it up, it's false.

Now as to the specific myth in question: Obama's grandma allegedly saying he was born in Kenya, I know the source of that myth. I looked into it over two and a half years ago. The reason I asked you to substantaite it is because, in addition to the fact that basic logic said the burden of proof was on you, I wanted to assess whether you were just repeating a rumor you had heard, or whether you had actually looked into on your own. Now that I know the answer to that question, I will provide you with proof that it is indeed a myth.

The original source of the myth is a telephone conversation that some guy who calls himself "Bishop" McCrae had with Obama Jr.'s STEP grandmother, that is, one of the other wives of Obama Sr.'s father. The good "bishop" ubruptly cuts the tape off at a point in order to make it seem like the lady is saying her step-grandson was born in Kenya. However, if you listen to the unedited tape, it becomes obvious that is not what she is saying, and in point of fact she says he was born in Hawaii. I am not relying on any leftist blogs as my source. I only rely on the actual unedited tape of the conversation.

Here you can listed to the "bishop's" edited tape in which it sounds like she's saying she was at Obama Jr's birth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGWcD5OHm08&feature=related

And here's the full tape:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY6bPYKLjNw

Go ahead and listen to both for yourself. I am confident that if you do so with an open mind, you will agree with me that the good lady never says Obama was born in Kenya.

311 posted on 04/07/2011 2:55:10 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Pride in the USA

Yes, he will! The Donald is nothing if not a hoopla magnet. Love him or hate him, the man does know how to engage in verbal warfare. He and Chris Christie are cut from the same mold in that regard, and the GOP pols need to be taking notes. We’re all sick to death of the namby-pamby girly men who care more about whether or not the MSM will say mean things about them than they are about the survival of this country.


312 posted on 04/07/2011 2:55:10 PM PDT by lonevoice (Where the Welfare State is on the march, the Police State is not far behind)
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To: American Constitutionalist

Thanks. I saw this a few days ago. Interesting how this report was completely ignored by the MSM.


313 posted on 04/07/2011 2:55:54 PM PDT by Rational Thought
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To: Yaelle
" Believe me, if he is found out, he will pull a bill Clinton and start saying “I found this out in the papers just like you did”

Come on now, think about it Yaelle, Obama can't even claim this either, how can he claim even this after spending over $ 2 million to keep his records and past hidden ? it would not work.
314 posted on 04/07/2011 2:57:19 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: curiosity

It’s one of two things: (1) you don’t even read my posts, or (2) you read them but are unable to comprehend what I’m saying. Your reply reveals one of those two things. If you can’t (or won’t) even read what I write, or for whatever reason you are incapable of understanding plain English, then communication is impossible.


315 posted on 04/07/2011 3:00:23 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

****No matter what he finds, the 0bama regime will prosecute him for finding it. Invasion of privacy, accessing of classified records...****

That didn’t work for Nixon’s tapes!!


316 posted on 04/07/2011 3:05:17 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Is it 2012 yet?)
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To: Yaelle
" Kagan and wise Latina leaving The supreme court forever.... One can dream..."

Don't cry for me Argentina.

Wise Latina, Wise Latina, Wise Latina
317 posted on 04/07/2011 3:06:02 PM PDT by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: wendy1946

If he does get booted, it will call into question every single piece of paper he has signed. All the legislation, SCOTUS appointments, etc. ALL of it. This could be truly HUGE.

I would love nothing more than to see his sorry ass removed from the White House post haste.


318 posted on 04/07/2011 3:14:23 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: crz
Dream on Obot

Can your reading comprehension be so poor?

319 posted on 04/07/2011 3:19:46 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: sodpoodle

I’ve heard Republicans are held to a different standard.


320 posted on 04/07/2011 3:24:26 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: NWFLConservative

“He needs to stay away from parks after dark, lest the Zero put Hillary on the case and The Donald gets himself “Fostered”

Neat line, but maybe Zero needs to be the one to look out since he’s been subtly dumping on the Hildebeast lately.


321 posted on 04/07/2011 3:35:32 PM PDT by secondamendmentkid
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To: walterandrews
Sorry, that point passed long ago. He also keeps all of his other documents sealed, school records etc, is he waiting for the proper time to show those also?

I am sorry but you are totally wrong in your thinking, IMO. If fact you come off as a coward, what with wanting to "keep it quiet" and all.

322 posted on 04/07/2011 3:36:34 PM PDT by calex59
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To: Portcall24

Have trials which match the War Crimes trials after WWII. Accept no plea agreements. This could be the biggest conspiracy in the history of this Country.


I love the irony in that scenario of “O” spending the rest of his life in Gitmo.


323 posted on 04/07/2011 3:42:11 PM PDT by MWestMom (Tread carefully, truth lies here.)
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To: walterandrews
Frankly, I’m really sick and tired of Obama supporters on here calling me “noobie” or “Alinsky supporter” or other nonsense for suggesting that we focus on electing conservatives.

Ditto. I'm really sick and tired of having cranky posters reply to me with rude and offensive remarks, and it isn't even an election year. I'll probably be gone before the primary season, since their kind drives out the other kind.

My theory is they're sensitive and feeling guilty that they're sitting at their keyboards chirping into an echo chamber, rather than, as you mention, focusing on electing conservatives. That entails some work, rather than simply emitting opinions through the fingertips. We're all conservative, we all know what we believe, but what are we DOING about it?

For just one example, if 0bama runs for reelection, Dem voters won't need to vote in their primaries. Those of us in open primary states ought to be focusing on closing the primaries, lest our candidate be selected by those who want us to lose in 2012.

324 posted on 04/07/2011 3:42:53 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: SatinDoll

I wouldn’t want to speculate on the ethical consistency of these people. I merely suspect that when Axelrod switched to 0bama he brought gifts. Also, it wouldn’t surprise me if he left not on principle but because Clinton offended him somehow.
We’ll probably never know.


325 posted on 04/07/2011 3:52:42 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: walterandrews
If I were him at this point, I’d hold onto that birth certificate until there is optimal benefit in revealing it. That point hasn’t come yet.

Can't agree with you there. After letting an American soldier be locked up for wanting to see it, 0bama can NEVER have an optimal benefit in revealing it.

My best guess, it (a Hawaiian record) just doesn't exist.

326 posted on 04/07/2011 3:58:23 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Soros was at one time a big supporter and financial donor to Hilary. Her poll numbers had a huge negative number (and still do), so he switched to supporting Obama, particularly as Obama could draw nearly 100% of the black vote - an enormous number.

Axelrod went where the chance of a successful election was better, and so did Rahm Emmanuel. That Obama was a puppet became apparent later, as were his actual religious beliefs, his racism towards whites, and his enmity towards Israel.

In other words, the liberal Jews who supported Obama were played.

Soros only cares about creating world chaos and birthing a New World Order and Global financial construct: he’s a megalomaniac.


327 posted on 04/07/2011 4:01:08 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Fantasywriter

You nailed it about curiosity. Don’t even bother to respond — it is a waste of time.


328 posted on 04/07/2011 4:08:33 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: SatinDoll

Thank you. I have to agree—there’s a spark not connecting somewhere.

I’m reminded of my first indepth discussion of the death penalty with a full on moonbat. I would write something like, ‘This has nothing to do with the Law of Moses’. A couple of emails later she would respond, ‘I see you’re basing your entire argument on the Mosaic Law’.

The disconnect was literally that great. I’ve never encountered anything like that with a conservative. Only far leftists seem so completely unable to grasp the meaning of words that run counter to their beliefs.

Fwiw.


329 posted on 04/07/2011 4:23:09 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: All

Don’t know if anyone has seen this before, and I sincerely apologize if this is blog pimping, (I don’t know this blogger) but I wanted to share this with you all so please forgive my faux pas. It is fairly recent and by apparently a Hawaiian resident.

These Nordyke twins where born a day after Obama in the same hospital. Look at their CERTIFICATES OF LIVE BIRTH. There is a ton of information left off of Obama’s “document.”

http://wisewhiteowl.blogspot.com/2011/01/o-ne-really-has-to-wonder-why-obama.html

Also, been touched on before, and I could be wrong, but during that time, “African” would not have been the correct anthropological term to describe Obama’s father.


330 posted on 04/07/2011 4:23:43 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: quesney

Trump the Chump.


331 posted on 04/07/2011 4:41:14 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: freespirited

The one and only loan officer in her Honolulu bank.

Moonlighted at the probate court.

Was such an operator and manipulator that folks called her “Toots.”

I can see her engineering the whole Obama fraud from day one. Newspaper ads to announce a Hawaiian birth (Gotta get him US citizenship! It was helpful to have even then). Using her bank and court positions to enable identity theft and faked SS numbers. Fixing “foreign student” financial aid at Oxy and Columbia too?

Quite a character, Granma Dunham. And quite a pinko too. Just like the rest of their family and social circle.


332 posted on 04/07/2011 4:46:28 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

Can your writing be so ignorant?


333 posted on 04/07/2011 4:46:57 PM PDT by crz
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To: crz

Begone, oaf.


334 posted on 04/07/2011 4:52:31 PM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: edcoil
What will he uncover that the Governor of Hawaii could would not?
A cover-up by the Governor of Hawaii?
335 posted on 04/07/2011 5:10:03 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: samtheman

A good guess. One thing I don’t see commented on much is Abercrombie’s attitude and body language when he was asked about Barry’s BC, following Hippo Mouth’s ‘investigation’. Abercrombie didn’t deflect the questions with calm confidence. He acted more like he’d seen a ghost [the ghost of Dem Electoral odds going down in flames, if the truth came out?], and he was spooked. He wanted to be done with the topic before he even started—and he wanted it bad.

I’m confident Trump will get to the bottom of it. Interesting times lie ahead, I’d bet.


336 posted on 04/07/2011 5:16:44 PM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: American Constitutionalist

I didn’t say he would get far with it, only that he would try it!


337 posted on 04/07/2011 5:19:17 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: walterandrews; over3Owithabrain

I used to think what you two think, that it’s a risky issue not worth the risk. But the more I’ve read the more I’m convinced there is something real here. The BC is only the beginning. The school records. Why hide all those school records? Because they say Foreign Exchange Student?

There’s SOMETHING here. I don’t know what it is, but there’s SOMETHING, and it’s huge, and it’s serious.

Thank you, Donald, for pitbulling this issue. Don’t let it go.


338 posted on 04/07/2011 5:37:17 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: MrB

I don’t think he has nuts....


339 posted on 04/07/2011 5:42:43 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: SatinDoll

I can’t remember specific instances, but, yes, you could put anything you wanted in the newspaper without independent verification (showing an actual birth certificate). This would be true especially in cases in which the parents were stationed overseas or lived in another state, but the grandparents remained in the hometown.

The births reported by the hospital to the newspaper, however, were official. The births of children to unmarried women, however, were not released to the newspaper. I seem to remember a mini scandal because one unmarried mother wanted the birth reported.

I imagine individual newspapers set their own policies in regard to birth announcements, but this was the way it was done in the early 70’s at two newspapers.


340 posted on 04/07/2011 5:54:32 PM PDT by MRobert (MRobert)
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To: quesney

ping for later


341 posted on 04/07/2011 6:18:19 PM PDT by justkillingtime
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To: Spunky
It is coming from history. Apparently you have missed the threads on this. Here is one of them. Natural Born Citizen

Thanks, I'll check it out.

342 posted on 04/07/2011 8:42:37 PM PDT by Pure Country (“I’ve noticed that every person that is for abortion has already been born.” -Ronald Reagan)
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To: walterandrews; darkwing104


343 posted on 04/08/2011 5:13:46 AM PDT by glock rocks (Donald Trump is Ross Perot in drag)
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To: jetson; quesney

Aka CONSTITUTIONALISTS!!!


344 posted on 04/08/2011 8:21:34 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: walterandrews

“I agree. I think one of two things are true: either Obama doesn’t have a long-form birth certificate, or he does have it and he’s holding onto it for maximal political benefit.”

Mr. Adams, the Hi elections guy, says the BC does not exist and that it was a joke amoung elections officials at the time of the 2008 election.


345 posted on 04/08/2011 8:37:47 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: laweeks

“I’m so disgusted with our conservative voices for having ignored this issue as if they’ve been threatened with death or something.”
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Sometimes it is what it seems as if it is.


346 posted on 04/08/2011 7:02:27 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: McGruff

A lady friend told me that same thing once.


347 posted on 04/08/2011 7:04:00 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Scutter

“Certifitards? Foreign Birth Deniers?”
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Rectivisualists works for me, either that or just plain Damned Fools.


348 posted on 04/08/2011 7:42:11 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: Col Frank Slade

Absolutely, I am very uncertain about the situation and I am not going to start shouting Hallelujah at the idea of a Trump presidency but Trump definitely knows the answer to every question he is raising or he would not raise the question publicly. Any “investigation” going on now is just showmanship, the results were in long ago.


349 posted on 04/08/2011 8:11:33 PM PDT by RipSawyer (Trying to reason with a liberal is like teaching algebra to a tomcat.)
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To: tgusa
Slick Willy and Hillary were the FIRST to KNOW and have PROOF that Obabam wasn't born in this country!!!

I think Trump may be Hillary's stalking horse.

GO DONALD!!!!!

350 posted on 04/09/2011 4:05:29 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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