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Attendee at Trump Meeting: “It Couldn’t Have Gone Any Better” (re: Obama & natural born Citizen's)
www.thepostemail.com ^ | 4/8/2011 | Sharon Rondeau

Posted on 04/08/2011 1:17:39 PM PDT by rxsid

"Attendee at Trump Meeting: “It Couldn’t Have Gone Any Better”

A citizen reporter for The Post & Email.. said that the source reported that “It couldn’t have gone any better.”

Reporter: Trump gave them > 30 minutes. WorldNetDaily had been patched in somehow and apparently had been privy to what was going on. Also, there were a lot of media outside ..

Reporter: Rep. Carl Seel, Jeff, & Kelly, who represented a tea party group. ..Trump didn’t seem to know about the “natural born Citizen” issue at all. He gave Jeff homework by saying, “I want to know everything about ‘natural born Citizen,’ and I want to know about these reports from Kenya when members of the Kenyan Parliament had talked about Obama having been born there.”

Reporter: .. He has made a pledge that he will to to Arizona in the summer. He fully supports the Arizona eligibility bill..I was told that the primary topics of the meeting were the Arizona eligibility bill and Obama’s eligibility.

There was no follow-up meeting scheduled. When they came out of the meeting, Rep. Carl Seel spoke to the press. However, Jeff was assured that some “good stuff” was shared with the press. As they were leaving, Theresa Cao said something to Jeff, who was trying to figure out who she was. He asked her, “Are you Theresa Cao?” and she said, “Yes, I am.”

The Post & Email: Did you say that Arizona Governor Jan Brewer was invited but was unable to go?

Reporter: .. We were informed and believe that Gov. Brewer was unable to attend.

Trump was engaged, asked questions and asked people to get information for him. He clearly showed that he wants to know more..."

(Excerpt) Read more at thepostemail.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; birthertrump; donaldtrump; lawofnations; naturalborncitizen; obama; thedonald; trump; trump2012
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To: rxsid

I’ve got to look. Most of my stuff is not on my ‘puter. I will be looking for the stuff soon. ;-) All archived away.


51 posted on 04/08/2011 3:09:51 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid
Hawaii Name Act valid until 1967
52 posted on 04/08/2011 3:10:13 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: GunningForTheBuddha

My concern is his going 3rd party and splitting the anti-Obama vote. That would be disastrous. These shots at Barry Soetoro are great fun, however.


53 posted on 04/08/2011 3:10:32 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: justiceseeker93
"Sounds like Trump is heading in the right direction.

Agreed, but a few others seemed to have been in the past but then backed off.

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Your right. Rep (now Gov) Deal comes to mind.

However, Trump is FAR more public and chest deep into this issue now than Deal ever was. Trump doesn't seem like the kind who is easily pushed around by the state run media. In fact, so far, the more they've challenged him, the more he's dug his (boot) heels in!

54 posted on 04/08/2011 3:11:15 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: 9YearLurker

Trump has said he won’t run as a third party candidate.


55 posted on 04/08/2011 3:12:30 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

“Obama is toast.”
__________________

From your post to God’s ears.


56 posted on 04/08/2011 3:15:39 PM PDT by Graneros ("The difference between genius and stupidity is; genius has its limits." — Albert Einstein)
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To: rxsid

Any chance the meeting was attended by any Freepers or at least suspected FR lurkers.


57 posted on 04/08/2011 3:19:19 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: rxsid

Donald Trump, Freeper. I love it!


58 posted on 04/08/2011 3:19:36 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: rxsid

Seems like Trump is taking it to the next level by asking questions about a natural born Citizen! The Donald isn’t going to rest until he gets all the answers to all his questions.


59 posted on 04/08/2011 3:19:36 PM PDT by azishot (Everyone is entitled to my opinion.)
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To: Red Steel; rxsid
here it is.. Photobucket
60 posted on 04/08/2011 3:20:32 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: bushpilot1
Send them your Vattel research thread..

I'll be curious to know if Trump believes his own children are ineligible for the presidency.

61 posted on 04/08/2011 3:22:02 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: Red Steel

Amazing post!


62 posted on 04/08/2011 3:25:14 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Gena Bukin

This is the problem with some the freeper obots..some of their wives were not citizens at the birth of some of their children or they have adopted foreign children.

Have not read if Trump’s wives were US citizens at the birth of his children.

We shall see..what route he takes if they were not citizens.

Jefferson told us..”they will come here and distort our laws”


63 posted on 04/08/2011 3:32:14 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: The Shrew

If he fails the Article II test I think the case can be made that any E.O. issued, law signed, or appointments made are illegal as the Kenyan himself.


64 posted on 04/08/2011 3:41:53 PM PDT by GunningForTheBuddha (Paul/Ventura 2012 - Cuz Maybe Batsh#t Crazy IS the Answer)
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To: Red Steel

He’s also bragged about cheating Kadhafi in a real estate deal.


65 posted on 04/08/2011 3:42:38 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Gena Bukin

If they are not, he would know that his grand children would likely be eligible for presidential office.


66 posted on 04/08/2011 3:43:15 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: GunningForTheBuddha

Romney will be the Rep candidate. He cannot beat 0 the way things are today.


67 posted on 04/08/2011 3:43:21 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$
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To: 9YearLurker

He bragged that he got a goooood deal that seemed like a steal over Daffy Kadaffi.


68 posted on 04/08/2011 3:44:58 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid
Looks like, if this recent meeting with Trump ratchet's up the eligibility discussions, Dr. Taitz may just have (one of) the last laugh:

History of a bill

Posted on | April 8, 2011 | No Comments A few months ago I visited AZ and gave a 3 hour presentation on presidential eligibility. State representative Judy Burges (pictured below ) attended this lecture. Later Judy proposed an eligibility bill, aimed at demanding Obama’s vital records and proving his eligibility. Originally, under pressure of Obama operative Kirstin Cinema bill failed in a committee. I flew to Az again and met with Judy Burges, Representative Rick Gray and Director of legislative affairs for governor Brewer, Michael Hunter. Luckily Mr. Hunter knew who I was, as the first thing he stated, as he entered the room, was “I saw you on TV”. A new striker bill was discussed. I had an opportunity to actually add some provisions in the bill, to make it tighter. One of such provisions, was standing for citizens to challenge eligibility of the presidential candidate. Ms. Burges was able to include this bill as a striker bill, submitted by yet another representative, Carl Seel. Local tea party leaders Jeff Lichter and Kelly Townsend (second picture, sorry couldn’t make it larger) organized heavy lobbying to push the bill through the committees. After daily phone updates, conversations with representatives, lobbying and shaming, the bill passed the committees and the committee of the whole. Today Carl Seel is meeting with Donald Trump to talk about the issue and possibly there will be a press conference on the issue. Most of the work was done behind the scenes. Great thanks and words of appreciation go to people involved: Representative Judy Burges, Mr. Burges, Representative Seel, Jeff Lichter, Kelly Townsend. No matter, what happens in the future, this is history in the making. As an immigrant, who was born in a communist dictatorship, I feel extremely proud and honored to be part of American history

Orly


http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/?p=20400

True, she may not be the most competent attorney out there, but there's no denying...there's no quit in her!

69 posted on 04/08/2011 3:45:36 PM PDT by rxsid (HOW CAN A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN'S STATUS BE "GOVERNED" BY GREAT BRITAIN? - Leo Donofrio (2009))
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To: rxsid

_________________

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The facts re; BC fraud, Obama not natural born citizen:

http://www.theobamafile.com/SearchResults.htm?cx=partner-pub-5800558700131855%3Axe3q1mlexqs&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=fake+birth+certificate&sa=Search#1115

http://www.theobamafile.com/SearchResults.htm?cx=partner-pub-5800558700131855%3Axe3q1mlexqs&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=natural+born+citizen&sa=Search#1115

How to reach Trump:

http://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump

http://twitter.com/#!/realDonaldTrump

http://shouldtrumprun.com/
http://shouldtrumprun.com/your-voices/
http://shouldtrumprun.com/contact-us/

Herman Cain

info@hermancain.com

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70 posted on 04/08/2011 3:47:13 PM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: Red Steel

The great thing about Gadhafi is that you can’t misspell his name!


71 posted on 04/08/2011 3:52:31 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: bushpilot1
Have not read if Trump’s wives were US citizens at the birth of his children.

Ivana became a citizen in 1988. Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric Trump were born several years prior. Melania Trump became a citizen in July of 2006, Baron was born the previous March. Only Tiffany (daughter of Marla Maples) would meet the Vattel definition of natural born.

I mention this because if Trump publicly embraces the Vattel argument, he'll surely get asked if he honestly believes the children he groomed to follow in his footsteps are not Natural Born Citizens. He'll need to have an answer.

72 posted on 04/08/2011 3:54:17 PM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: rxsid; LucyT
rxsid: Excellent!!! This update gives a clear picture about what Trump does and does not know. It also evidences his willingness to get up to speed quickly and gain a COMPREHENSIVE understanding of all the issues involved.

LucyT---See UPDATE from rxsid at post #33

From his post:

1) The discussion trend allowed me to ask Mr. Trump right after he was speaking about the Kenyan grandmother, whether he knew about the Kenyan Assemblyman, (James Orengo) who stated on their Assembly floor so that it is documented that Obama was a son of their soil. He apparently did not know of that and asked me to send him the documentation. Anyone who has it readily available is welcome to send it to me so that I can forward it.

2) Even more importantly, I also had the opportunity when we were discussing whether a real long form birth certificate actually exists to do two things. I mentioned Tim Adams, the Hawaiian election clerk and recent affadavit and ALSO asked whether he, Trump, was going to take the issue beyond the birth certificate and place of birth to the question of NATURAL BORN CITIZENSHIP. He asked me to explain precisely what that was and I then got to recite the precise clause from Article II, Section I and explain what the founders meant by it; and where they got the concept from, that being Vattel. He said that he liked the way I was explaining it and gave me another “homework” assignment to send him more information about it.

3) Also, at some point in the discussion, the false social security number belonging to someone from Connecticut born in 1890 came up and so they are aware of that situation to some extent – maybe not all the way to the FOIA actions and suits filed vs. the Social Security Administration by Orly Taitz. Time did not allow getting into the issue to that full extent.

ANYONE WHO WANTS TO HELP ME WITH THESE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENTS, PLEASE DO, I WELCOME IT.

4) [Not raised in the discussion, but to be discussed with Trump at a future time] the Pelosi Dual Nomination Forms constituting Election Fraud

73 posted on 04/08/2011 3:58:48 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Gena Bukin

Something for you to read..NBC is not limited to Vattel it goes back to the early republics.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2512143/posts


74 posted on 04/08/2011 4:06:32 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: 9YearLurker

75 posted on 04/08/2011 4:07:16 PM PDT by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Red Steel

Hillary/Bill and Obama are both stooges of the same cabal. The cabal told the Clintons they were give their chance but now it was Obama chosen to take the USA to the new world order that was promised by Bush1.


76 posted on 04/08/2011 4:15:20 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Red Steel

Hillary/Bill and Obama are both stooges of the same cabal. The cabal told the Clintons they were give their chance but now it was Obama chosen to take the USA to the new world order that was promised by Bush1.


77 posted on 04/08/2011 4:15:34 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Red Steel

Hillary/Bill and Obama are both stooges of the same cabal. The cabal told the Clintons they were give their chance but now it was Obama chosen to take the USA to the new world order that was promised by Bush1.


78 posted on 04/08/2011 4:16:01 PM PDT by noinfringers2
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To: Brown Deer

Ha! I think you’ve got it covered.


79 posted on 04/08/2011 4:17:49 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Gena Bukin

Wonder how he’s gonna break that news to the kids...


80 posted on 04/08/2011 4:18:08 PM PDT by RockinRight ([insert tagline here])
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To: Red Steel

Why didn’t the FEC do anything about it? Or the “irregularities” noted in regards to contributions? Or is it a case of they just turn it over to the Justice Department (and we know where that will go)?

What do they do besides draw salaries and benefits?


81 posted on 04/08/2011 4:19:13 PM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Red Steel

Music to my ears.


82 posted on 04/08/2011 4:33:36 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: rxsid

African Info about Obama Kenyan-Born

I have more information for Mr. Trump!!

Here are 6 African Newspaper articles calling Obama “Kenyan-Born”

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Notice the first article was from Sunday, June 27, “2004”

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Historical News Articles and FactCheck Agree: Obama is “Kenyan-born”
Posted on October 18th, 2009 by David-Crockett

Sunday, June 27, “2004”

Kenya Sunday Standard headline-”Kenyan-born” Obama all set for US Senate
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born04.htm

The Nigerian Observer-Americans will today go to the polls to elect their next President with Democratic Party candidate, Senator Barack Obama largely favoured to win. The “Kenyan-born” Senator will…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born01.htm

USAfrica — “Kenyan-born” OBAMA makes history…wins presidential nomination of U. S. Democratic party; eyes on White House…
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born09.gif

AllAfrica.com — ” Little wonder then why “Kenyan-born” Barack Obama, America’s first Black President…”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_exhibits/Born02.htm

GraphicGhana.com — “For Ghana, Obama’s visit will be a celebration of another milestone in African history as it hosts the first-ever “African-American President” on this presidential visit to the “continent of his birth”. The same article, with the same quote, appeared in ModernGhana.com.
http://www.theobamafile.com/.../...5-ContinentOfBirth.htm

The Ghana Times — “So far, the odds favour the once underdog in American politics, Obama, the “African-American Senator” from Illinois state. A Congressional Quarterly (CQ) politics monitored on BBC put the “Kenyan born” American ahead of his rivel, John McCain.”
http://www.theobamafile.com/_images/Born07.bmp


83 posted on 04/08/2011 4:35:50 PM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: Red Steel

bookmarking


84 posted on 04/08/2011 4:38:40 PM PDT by Lorica
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To: rxsid

Information Mr. Trump asked for 4/8/2011:

Kenyan official: Obama born here
In debate over constitution, minister urges African nation to emulate U.S. inclusion
Posted: April 11, 2010
6:22 pm Eastern

By Drew Zahn
© 2011 WorldNetDaily

Kenyan MP James Orengo

A Kenyan lawmaker told the nation’s parliament last month that Barack Obama was born in Africa and is therefore “not even a nativeAmerican.”

During debate over the draft of a new Kenyan constitution,James Orengo, the country’s minister of lands and a member of parliament for the Ugenya constituency, cited America’s election of a Kenyan-born president as an example of what can be accomplished when diverse peoples unite:

“If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation,”Orengo posited, “how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a nativeAmerican, become the president of America?”

Orengo held up the U.S. as a country no longer “living in the past,” since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to “ethnic consideration and objectives.”

Read more:Kenyan official: Obama born herehttp://www.wnd.com/?pageId=139481#ixzz1IyPr1XT2


85 posted on 04/08/2011 4:40:04 PM PDT by ebysan (ebysan)
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To: rxsid; bushpilot1
All they need is the link to real deal Kenyan Parliament minutes located as SCRIBD.COM. Minister of Lands, James Orengo that Obama was born in Kenya here.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29745224/RDRAFT25

And it looks like this again...


James Orengo admits Obama born in Kenya

86 posted on 04/08/2011 4:45:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel
I'll send but I'm sure someone will beat me to it. ;-)

As long as thing has gone on, and as much as you help lead the debate, I wouldn't take any chances. Send it all.

87 posted on 04/08/2011 4:47:23 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: CommieCutter

Will do... getting on it tonight. :-)


88 posted on 04/08/2011 4:52:34 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: bushpilot1

I posted it yesterday, and about 60 posts later got an O-bot rebuttal. LOL.

The liberals all over youtube like cockroaches trying to counter the birther/proofer agrument. It’s hilarious. Their arguments are old; you can tell they’re a few years behind on this issue.


89 posted on 04/08/2011 4:53:03 PM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: Red Steel

its not a good idea to send it..if I remember correctly there was a debate on the son of soil statement..it is located later in the pdf document...the statement was challenged..and..


90 posted on 04/08/2011 4:55:09 PM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I believe you're right on the mark with your observations.
91 posted on 04/08/2011 5:00:25 PM PDT by VideoDoctor
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To: blondee123

LOL


92 posted on 04/08/2011 5:05:58 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: bushpilot1

suitable for their sex...Stanley Ann...lol


93 posted on 04/08/2011 5:32:48 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rxsid

This is getting interesting..a showdown between BHOzo the clown and his Chicago mobsters and Donald the Trumpeter and his New York and New Jersey “fellows”...


94 posted on 04/08/2011 5:42:19 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: bushpilot1
This is what I recall, and what WND reported:

"If America was living in a situation where they feared ethnicity and did not see itself as a multiparty state or nation," Orengo posited, "how could a young man born here in Kenya, who is not even a native American, become the president of America?"

Orengo held up the U.S. as a country no longer "living in the past," since Americans elected a Kenyan-born president without regard to "ethnic consideration and objectives."

A new strategy has been unveiled to demand answers to Obama's eligibility questions. See how you can help.

Debate is then recorded in the Kenyan government's official March 25, 2010, hansard – a traditional name for printed transcripts of a parliamentary debate – as continuing with no other MPs mentioning or attempting to correct Orengo's comments about Obama."

Read more: Kenyan official: Obama born here http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=139481#ixzz1IywIWisM

And the only thing I remember reading in the minutes that any "objection" was the beating of the gavel to come to order in the Kenyan Parliament over it ...maybe

95 posted on 04/08/2011 5:51:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: rxsid

Sharon Rondeau asked for homework help regarding Barak Hussein Obama’s background and eligibility.

Please see my next couple of posts.....


96 posted on 04/08/2011 5:53:37 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: rxsid
Here is something I like to post from time to time:
 
 
Let them claim there is no long form.
 
1st.  They and everyone has said all along the COLB is an abstract.  A COLB is a walkup document, meaning you can walk up to the desk, ask for your BC and they will provide an abstract, called a COLB in about 10 minutes.  That means there is a long form and Hawaii statutes, starting at (338)
 
2nd.  Hawaii already said they have seen Barry O.'s vital records and issued two statements - blah, blah, blah, right?
 
3rd.  Barry O. never had to show his long form BC ever, in his life, for anything?  Like obtaining a passport.  That one document is better than a drivers license.  It saying to the world you are who is contained in the passport document, which is based on an investigation of your background and YOU MUST provide a Birth Certificate as foundational proof of who YOU say you are.  From there the State Department does their background check on you and if you are who you say you are with no ammendments, modifications or whatever to your identity they issue it clean. 
 
Most adults can go to a desk or filing cabinet in his house and produce a birth certificate in a few minutes?
 

Barry O. tried to pass of something that was inconsistent with what the rest of have and know to be a “Birth Certificate”.

The so called COLB has many flaws with it:

  • His father’s race could never have been listed as “African”.  That was not the nomenclature at all, in the 1960’s.  So that begins the suspicion of a fraudulent document.
  •  The COLB is also cropped in many of the pictures that claim it is a scan.  If it is a scan, why not leave the document and size intact?
  • The COLB also has no artifacts such paper folds.  A scan does not make those disappear and in fact will highlight them.
  • The COLB that is scanned mysteriously does not show the Seal of Hawaii.  Why?  Because it was computer generated and not scanned.  Guess they forgot to add that back in.
  • More over, many of us are concerned and want to know why he wasted time producing a document that is inconsistent with what we know a Birth Certificate looks like.

 The best part and even more confusing is why he didn't release any of the three Birth Certificates we know already existed before 2007.

  • His kindergarten records and the BC, that should be there, have mysteriously disappeared.
  • The BC he used to get into college, apply for loans and most definitely used for his passport. That wasn't available?
  • Why couldn't he just present the one he found among his mother's belongings upon her death.   He waxed on and wondered about it and his father in one of his books.  Why not post that one?

Those were most certainly BC’s and not a COLB. There is no reason to create confusion but, for the fact he is hiding something. That something will be discovered, though and this is a long process.

“I discovered this article, folded away among my birth certificate and old vaccination forms, when I was in high school. It’s a short piece, with a photograph of him. No mention is made of my mother or me, and I’m left to wonder whether the omission was intentional on my father’s part, in anticipation of his long departure. Perhaps the reporter failed to ask personal questions, intimidated by my father’s imperious manner; or perhaps it was an editorial decision, not part of the simple story that they were looking for. I wonder, too, whether the omission caused a fight between my parents.”

From “Dreams From My Father” (Pg. 26 last paragraph)

So with all these Birth Certificates lying around, why did he feel it necessary to produce a "Certification of Live Birth" that is inconsistent with a Birth Certificate and wholly lacking all of the information you would find, in you know, a Birth Certificate?

He seemed to have some emotional attachment to the Birth Certificate found among his mother’s belongings.  Why wouldn’t he just slap that one up, for all the world to see?

It seemed important that he found a document that is called a “Birth Certificate” and it is highly unlikely he would not know what one looks like.

Hope no one brings up some house fire that vaporized his BC.  That was in 1972 and none of the documents listed here would have been affected by that “fishy” event.

 
 
 

97 posted on 04/08/2011 5:58:29 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: rxsid

The issue of Natural Born Citizen was brought against John McCain long before Barrack was nominated to the DNC as a Presidential Candidate.

In fact, in order to place McCain on the ballot, the United States Senate went so far as to craft the Senate Resolution 511 proclaiming John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.

There is a cloud over Barrack's birth, to be sure.  But the fact that still remains is his birth was of a divided nationality British and American.  One is wholly one thing or another but not completely two things at the same time.

Senate Resolution 511

Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.

Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

 Now, let us take this simple and explore its hidden meaning.

 Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;

They apparently have read the Constitution and have zeroed in on one clause that no law or legislative body has the right to amend.

Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;

 The term ‘natural born citizen’ is not defined, however other rulings by the Supreme Court, Congress, and other writings from such as John Bingham, do define what a ‘natural born citizen’ is. For sake of space I will only quote the following.

The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.
-Chief Justice Waite in Minor v. Happersett (1875)

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/historics/USSC_CR_0088_0162_Z…

Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they claimed to have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;

 So the Senate decided to make assumptions and attempt to pass a ‘Gentleman’s Agreement’ on the same. We have already seen from the prior statement that they have no knowledge of the meaning, and its definition.

Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;

 It sounds nice, but means nothing? Some fluff but again means nothing.

Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and

 Whom are they referring to, that was born ‘outside’ the United States and who deemed them eligible?

Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it

Resolved, That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.

So the Senate gave by law, what nature failed to do. Would that not be a ‘naturalized’ citizenship?

So the Senate deemed that two (2) American or US Citizen parents was an essential to the definition of a ‘natural born citizen’ that was not defined in the Constitution. So how did they deem that the issue was being born outside the jurisdiction of the United States if they had no definition or requirements of what ‘constituted’ a ‘natural born citizen?’ It seems like they know the definition, but are hoping the American public doesn’t. There is but one defintion that a ‘natural born citizen’ has to have citizen parents and being born in country and that is Vattel’s Law of Nations.

As I refered to SR 511. SR511 is a non-binding, non-lawful understanding, that can not be held as a LAW. Being such, a non-binding resolution is a written motion adopted by a deliberative body that cannot progress into a law. The substance of the resolution can be anything that can normally be proposed as a motion.This type of resolution is often used to express the body’s approval or disapproval of something which they cannot otherwise vote on, due to the matter being handled by another jurisdiction, or being protected by a constitution.

Again, I will note: being protected by a constitution.

“Simple resolutions do not require the approval of the other house nor the signature of the President, and they do not have the force of law.”

The reason I make this point is that for the chance that John Mccain would have actually won the 2008 Presidential election. The issue of his eligibility not only would have been brought up, but would have stated congressional hearings, the likes of Watergate all over again. The Congress would have in no time instituted articles of impeachment and the motion would have been approved. Then the Senate would have their chance to remove John McCain, however since they already have voted with their ‘Gentlemen’s Agreement’, regardless how the vote went. A non-binding, non-lawful resolution that trumps the United States Constitution could be waved in front of the American public, and John McCain, could go back in the corner, stick his thumb in his pie, and exclaim “Oh, what a good boy am I.”

Senate Resolution 511, was an attempt to circumvent the United States Constitution, and amend the ‘Natural Born Citizen’ Clause of which there has NEVER been an amendment or change too.

More then just a non-binding resolution, SR511 defined John McCain’s eligibility based on  being born of US Parents [NOTE the plural] but outside the country. Therefore the only alternative based on THEIR wording is ‘born in country’. They did not change the requirement of two (2) US parents.

Where is there a definition as to a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ based on parents [again plural] and born in country? Vattel’s Law of Nations.

Why if John McCain was held to these requirements, was Barack Obama not held of being born of US Parents [plural] and in the United States. 

Barack Obama has admitted that not only was his father a foreign national, but that he himself was a British Subject at birth. A British Subject is a foreign national and how can a foreign national be a ‘Natural Born Citizen’ as required by the United States Constitution?


98 posted on 04/08/2011 5:58:59 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: rxsid

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. It was passed in 1799 and last amended in 1994. Violation of the Logan Act is a felony, punishable under federal law with imprisonment of up to three years.

The text of the Act is broad and is addressed at any attempt of a US citizen to conduct foreign relations without authority. However, there is no record of any convictions or even prosecutions under the Logan Act.[1][2] However, one possible exception may be the Clinton White House which was fined $300,000.

 

Then Senator Barack Obama directly interfered with the politics of Kenya in a way that usurped US foreign policy.

This is the hope and change that Obama promises to America: racial/ethnic balkanisation, demographic warfare, and violence, just like Kenya.

Below; Obama works his neocolonial magic on supporters of Odinga and the Orange Party in Kenya in 2006.

 
 
 

Text of the Logan Act

§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.

1 Stat. 613, January 30, 1799, codified at 18 U.S.C. § 953 (2004).

(Hat tip poster : Candor7 )

 


99 posted on 04/08/2011 5:59:36 PM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: rxsid

WOW. Trump is going to bust this thing wide open. GO DONALD!


100 posted on 04/08/2011 6:06:03 PM PDT by conservativegramma
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