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COUNTDOWN TO GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN (LIVE THREAD)
April 8, 2011 | Self

Posted on 04/08/2011 7:03:55 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Seems like a good idea. Two Hours Left.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: budget; congress; obama; obamasfault; pork
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To: screaminsunshine
Watch as the GOP sells you down the river. Never again. Screw them!

OMG! Do you all see that they are all the same. Forget the party. THEY ARE ALL OWNED BY THE ELITES. IT IS TIME FOR THE REAL REVOLUTION.

201 posted on 04/08/2011 8:18:41 PM PDT by Digger ((If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election))
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To: Happy Rain
This isn't the battle. This is the dems 2011 budget. 2012 is where the WAR will have to be fought.

No need to wage the war here. This isn't the battlefield. It's NEXT years budget. THAT is where we must lay it on the line and expend the political capital.

I say this mainly because the GOP STILL hasn't learned to play the PR game yet. They must master this skill if they are to win this battle.

Why did not ONE GOP person call harry reid on his lie about his wife/daughter/g-daughter's medical? They aren't going to planned parenthood for screening. What a bold faced lie. Yet...they just let him say it.

Lots to learn before the BIG fight.

202 posted on 04/08/2011 8:19:22 PM PDT by NELSON111
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To: RoseofTexas
I full well knew this cave in was coming and promised myself not to get angry...

SCAROO THAT!

I'm PIZZED!

Remove Bonehead Boner!

We have been hosed by our own... again.

203 posted on 04/08/2011 8:19:31 PM PDT by JDoutrider
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Obama now speaking. Obama ain’t happy. It sucks to be Obama.


204 posted on 04/08/2011 8:19:34 PM PDT by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
Look I'm not happy with the way this ended up, but no sense spending all this time fighting over a drop in the bucket when we need to be focusing on the 2012 budget and bigger ticket items like defunding ObamaCare. It doesn't include defunding PP, but Obama would never have signed a bill that did and now the Senate will have to go on record that they support tax payer funded abortions. And every Dem up for re-election in 2012 will have to run on that.
205 posted on 04/08/2011 8:19:49 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Barack Obama is an incompetent boob)
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To: LADY J

Obama : The Biggest spending cuts in the country’s history!

38 1/2 billion budget out of what? from a 1.4 - 1.5 trillion dollar budget?

Uhuuuh.


206 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:00 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: All

I feel betrayed, maybe it is better to let the whole thing collapse and then rebuild with the right ideas and set things as they should be. I used to work in IT and I see the U.S. like a computer with a bloated OS with zillions of patches. The hard drive needs to be reformatted, reinstall a minimalist OS (The Constitution, minus the income tax and direct election of senators) and a reboot.


207 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:00 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: LADY J

Now the empty suited idiot goes on TV and claims victory, Obama had NOTHING to do with it but he gets the credit..disgusting..F him


208 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:01 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: ResponseAbility

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JCe6I3OwlE

This Romantic Tragedy - I’ll shut you down


209 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:07 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Cr@p.....


210 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:11 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ejdrapes

Ironic that Qadaffi has stood up to Obama for longer than Boehner was able to.


211 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:11 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Bonehwad took 38.5 bil. Reis handed him his butt and he left the room with his tail between his legs! Odummy is now taking credit for the outcome.


212 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:16 PM PDT by mardi59
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

If I heard Reid correctly, they have agreed on an extension through next Thursday.


213 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:16 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: acapesket
Don't look for courage in Washington D.C. Republicans.

It's the state Republicans who have the will to do what's right, like Scott Walker, John Kasich and Rick Scott.

214 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:26 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: LdSentinal
We need Tea Party people in the White House and in the Senate, not Republican RINOS.

Tonight we learned exactly how much work remains to be done. Unfortunately, it is considerable. However, it is work that we can and must do if we are to save this nation.

215 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:26 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: LADY J

Obama : The biggest spending cuts in the country’s history!

$38 1/2 billion budget cut out of what? From a 1.4 - 1.5 trillion dollar budget?

Uhuuuh.


216 posted on 04/08/2011 8:20:56 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Happy Rain

This is a huge victory for obozo and Reid. They knew the GOP would do what it does best, cave. Just a prelude to Paul Ryan’s bill. Back to work getting rid of more RINOS and commiecrats.

Pray for America


217 posted on 04/08/2011 8:21:40 PM PDT by bray (The Recovery begins when Obama is unemployed!)
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To: ejdrapes

I agree again, but our job as Freepers is not to cheer for our guys, but whip them to do better.


218 posted on 04/08/2011 8:21:47 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Digger
“OMG! Do you all see that they are all the same. “

Boehner came out looking like a whipped dog. He knows he screwed up and his ass SHOULD BE GRASS. Of course it could have been worse but I need for someone to explain just how!

219 posted on 04/08/2011 8:22:01 PM PDT by chooseascreennamepat (I have a liberal arts degree, do you want fries with that?)
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To: Digger
Ron Paul. How much will it take for conservatives to wake up. Do they want to be the GOP equivalent of the Blacks. That is what they are becoming.
220 posted on 04/08/2011 8:22:01 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: NELSON111

You are lost.


221 posted on 04/08/2011 8:22:34 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: Digger

This is why I will never be a republican. Cowards and rats, one and all, sniveling at the shoes of leftist tyrants. What a sad joke. Boehner couldn’t even hold the line on what amounts to chump change in another bloated fantasy budget.

In the end, we’re going to pay dearly for this crap.


222 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:10 PM PDT by SoCalConstitutionalist
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To: Red Steel

McConnell from the floor of the Senate: “Let me thank my friend the Majority Leader.”

That, in a nutshell, is exactly what is wrong with Mitch McConnell and the Republican Party. Nice-nice while America sinks into the abyss.


223 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:31 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg ("It's hard to take the president seriously." - Jim DeMint)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Now they are all patting each other on the backs and saying how well they all worked together to resolve the problem...until next Friday, at least.


224 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:33 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ejdrapes

You buy that BS at your own risk. Wake up!


225 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:38 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: NELSON111
It's NEXT years budget. THAT is where we must lay it on the line and expend the political capital.

Yeah. Right. I want some of what your smoking. I've seen this movie before and know PRECISELY how it ends...right down to the last drag on the cigarette after getting our biannual screwing.

226 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:43 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: LdSentinal

Believe me, I never look to D. C. for anything, period!


227 posted on 04/08/2011 8:23:54 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Happy Rain
Explain to me how this "certain defeat" would have worked? Especially with a 24/7 media beating up on the House saying they shut the government down over PP, something the government has been funding since the 70s. How many congressman ran in 2010 on defunding PP?
228 posted on 04/08/2011 8:24:07 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Barack Obama is an incompetent boob)
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To: Nowhere Man

Do not support Whigs.


229 posted on 04/08/2011 8:24:42 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: Red Steel

no the budget is about 4.2 trillion the deficit is 1.6 trillion


230 posted on 04/08/2011 8:25:13 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: oyez

Well, it turns out he didn’t have to cancel his vacation, but he already did — so I guess he’s pretty upset, especially since the weather doesn’t look that good in town for golf on Sunday.


231 posted on 04/08/2011 8:25:13 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: LdSentinal

****Don’t look for courage in Washington D.C. Republicans.

It’s the state Republicans who have the will to do what’s right, like Scott Walker, John Kasich and Rick Scott.****

We will find Republicans to replace the Rinos and the spineless in DC in 2012 and 2014. It may be too late by then , but we will find them.


232 posted on 04/08/2011 8:25:17 PM PDT by ResponseAbility (Prepare for battle and never forsake the Lord...unknown)
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To: TomGuy

‘If I heard Reid correctly, they have agreed on an extension through next Thursday.’

That is a short term CR. The agreement also includes final passage of the 2011 Budget by Thursday, but it will take some days to draft the bill.


233 posted on 04/08/2011 8:25:42 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Digger

Got this in an email today. I haven’t checked on it so it might be 10 years old by now. But an interesting premise that it is ALL because of 500 some odd people that we are where we are today:

> Charley Reese’s final column for the Orlando Sentinel...
>
>
>
> He has been a journalist for 49 years.
> He is retiring and this is HIS LAST COLUMN.
>
> Be sure to read the Tax List at the end.
>
> This is about as clear and easy to understand as it can be. The article
> below is completely neutral, neither anti-republican or democrat. Charlie
> Reese, a soon-to-be- retired reporter for the Orlando Sentinel, has hit
> the nail directly on the head, defining clearly who it is that in the
> final analysis must assume responsibility for the judgments made that
> impact each one of us every day. It’s a short but good read. Worth the
> time. Worth remembering!
>
> 545 vs. 300,000,000 People - By Charlie Reese
>
> Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then
> campaign against them.
>
> Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are
> against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?
>
> Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and
> high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
>
> You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.
>
> You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on
> appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
>
> You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
>
> You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does..
>
> You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
>
> One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme
> Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are
> directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic
> problems that plague this country.
>
> I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem
> was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its
> Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered,
> but private, central bank.
>
> I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason.
> They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a
> congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care
> if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash.. The politician has
> the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it
> is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
>
> Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what
> they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless
> of party.
>
> What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive
> amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker,
> who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The
> President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to
> accept it.
>
> The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole
> responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and
> approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? John
> Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House
> members, not the President, can approve any budget they want. If the
> President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
>
> It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace
> 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and
> irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not
> traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain
> truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then
> it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
>
> If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
>
> If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red.
>
> If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it’s because they want
> them in Iraq and Afghanistan ...
>
> If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan
> not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
>
> There are no insoluble government problems.
>
> Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire
> and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they
> can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and
> from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you
> into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the
> economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what
> they take an oath to do.
>
> Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
>
> They and they alone, have the power.
>
> They and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are
> their bosses.
>
> Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees...
>
> We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
>
> What you do with this article now that you have read it... is up to you.
> This might be funny if it weren’t so true.
> Be sure to read all the way to the end:
>
> Tax his land,
> Tax his bed,
> Tax the table,
> At which he’s fed.
>
> Tax his tractor,
> Tax his mule,
> Teach him taxes
> Are the rule.
>
> Tax his work,
> Tax his pay,
> He works for
> peanuts anyway!
>
> Tax his cow,
> Tax his goat,
> Tax his pants,
> Tax his coat.
>
> Tax his ties,
> Tax his shirt,
> Tax his work,
> Tax his dirt.
>
> Tax his tobacco,
> Tax his drink,
> Tax him if he
> Tries to think.
>
> Tax his cigars,
> Tax his beers,
> If he cries
> Tax his tears.
>
> Tax his car,
> Tax his gas,
> Find other ways
> To tax his ass.
>
> Tax all he has
> Then let him know
> That you won’t be done
> Till he has no dough.
>
> When he screams and hollers;
> Then tax him some more,
> Tax him till
> He’s good and sore.
>
> Then tax his coffin,
> Tax his grave,
> Tax the sod in
> Which he’s laid...
>
> Put these words
> Upon his tomb,
> ‘Taxes drove me
> to my doom...’
>
> When he’s gone,
> Do not relax,
> Its time to apply
> The inheritance tax.
>
> Accounts Receivable Tax
> Building Permit Tax
> CDL license Tax
> Cigarette Tax
> Corporate Income Tax
> Dog License Tax
> Excise Taxes
> Federal Income Tax
> Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
> Fishing License Tax
> Food License Tax
> Fuel Permit Tax
> Gasoline Tax (currently 44.75 cents per gallon)
> Gross Receipts Tax
> Hunting License Tax
> Inheritance Tax
> Inventory Tax
> IRS Interest Charges on Tax
> IRS Penalties (tax on top of tax)
> Liquor Tax
> Luxury Taxes
> Marriage License Tax
> Medicare Tax
> Personal Property Tax
> Property Tax
> Real Estate Tax
> Service Charge Tax
> Social Security Tax
> Road Usage Tax
> Recreational Vehicle Tax
> Sales Tax
> School Tax
> State Income Tax
> State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
> Telephone Federal Excise Tax
> Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax
> Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
> Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
> Telephone Recurring and Nonrecurring Charges Tax
> Telephone State and Local Tax
> Telephone Usage Charge Tax
> Utility Taxes
> Vehicle License Registration Tax
> Vehicle Sales Tax
> Watercraft Registration Tax
> Well Permit Tax
> Workers Compensation Tax
>
>
> STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY?
> Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago, & our nation was the most
> prosperous in the world. We had absolutely no national debt, had the
> largest middle class in the world, and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.
>
> What in the heck happened? Can you spell ‘politicians?’
>
> I hope this goes around THE USA at least 545 times!!! YOU can help it get
> there!!!
>
>
>
> GO AHEAD. . . BE AN AMERICAN!!!
>


234 posted on 04/08/2011 8:25:44 PM PDT by 21twelve ( You can go from boom to bust, from dreams to a bowl of dust ... another lost generation.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

Two words...Ron Paul.


235 posted on 04/08/2011 8:26:06 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: screaminsunshine

Good Lord — Reid speaking now ...guy looks like he belongs in an old folks home ...


236 posted on 04/08/2011 8:26:21 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: kcvl

The American people lose again, Fire every last one of the traitorous Republicans. Let them find out what a budget cut is supposed to be.


237 posted on 04/08/2011 8:26:37 PM PDT by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: bray
Beat Boner 2012!!!

(in the primary of course)

238 posted on 04/08/2011 8:26:54 PM PDT by Happy Rain ("WARNING" -Sarah Palin is a very dangerous woman--she defends herself when attacked.)
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To: oyez

He’s not looking forward to going to Williamsburg with Michelle and momma-in-law.

Obama is so PW’d, it’s not funny.


239 posted on 04/08/2011 8:27:30 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Democrats = authoritarian socialists)
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To: Syntyr
Your right. They should have started off asking for the 61billion in cuts. Then when the rats countered with 30 billion they should have said no and then proposed 70 billion. Then next time 100 billion. Until the rats finally figured out the pubs have grown a pair and agreed to the new terms.

Funny. I was thinking the same thing. what they were haggling over is chump change. The amount of 30 or 60 is irrelevant. They should have been discussing 300B vs 600B. At some point this Congress or future congresses WILL have to deal with spending. I just don't think we have the right team to stand together and fight this right so how this ended up was fairly predictable.

We need new management in the Republican party and need to replace Boehner.

240 posted on 04/08/2011 8:27:30 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: NELSON111

We’re broke now. This is not about proving who has the best negotiation skills, but cutting expenses now.


241 posted on 04/08/2011 8:27:45 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: LibsRJerks

I hope this will finally wake up patriotic conservatives. They have been to the GOP like the Blacks to the Rats. Wake up. Ron Paul is right.


242 posted on 04/08/2011 8:28:25 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks)
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To: NELSON111

I agree but we’re outnumbered and hell, we’re all pissed off right now.

Dingy Harry blathering on, blah blah “My Good Friend”, “My esteemed colleague”, blah blah, yada yada, “we made history” blah-de-blah-blah-blah....

I’ll say this - unless the mood of the country is truly very different than what I think it is - and what we see it as on FR - these guys had better man-up and get their game on for the BIG GAME. If they don’t, it should well mark the end of the Republican Party.

I doubt Harry Reid’s wife or daughter will be needing abortions but maybe he’s hinting at something about his grandaughters? It’s just a lie, if Harry Reid is breathin’ he’s lyin’...


243 posted on 04/08/2011 8:28:52 PM PDT by bigbob (u)
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To: LibsRJerks
guy looks like he belongs in an old folks home ...

That would be a felony...elder abuse.

244 posted on 04/08/2011 8:29:03 PM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: ejdrapes

Democrats probably support Federal funded abortions, so they will run on that proudly.


245 posted on 04/08/2011 8:30:10 PM PDT by HollyB
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

Hey, see ya all again on Thursday night for a repeat.....

BOHICA


246 posted on 04/08/2011 8:30:10 PM PDT by tioga ( Proud Proofer)
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To: TomGuy

That is called collegiality, and the purpose is to avoid fistfights and beatings on the floor of congress, as there used to be. It is even more important when you spend 10 months of the year working together, as opposed to a couple of months every two years, as in pre-Civil War days.


247 posted on 04/08/2011 8:30:26 PM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (Liberty and Union, Now and Forever, One and Inseparable -- Daniel Webster)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That's where we'll have to agree to disagree. Fact is we're cutting spending. That is a WIN. You cannot tell me Obama or any of the other Dems would have cut spending if Nancy Pelosi was in control in the House. Also, the defunding of Planned Parenthood now has to come up as a stand alone bill. The House will vote to defund it. There are 23 Dems up for re-election in the Senate, many from red states. If they vote to keep tax payer funded abortions they'll have to run on it in 2012. Finally Obama said in his speech tonight that under different circumstances there wouldn't be cuts. Obama and the Dems are the big LOSERS tonight not Boehner.
248 posted on 04/08/2011 8:31:17 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Barack Obama is an incompetent boob)
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To: NELSON111

I haven’t posted here for a while. But you drew me back in with your stupidity. Wake up. Grow a pair, get a grip. They’re caving over nothing. When your “real battle” comes up,.....


249 posted on 04/08/2011 8:31:20 PM PDT by genetic homophobe (Do we vote for a pro American globalist or a anti American globalist?)
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To: Digger
The bawling boozer has no fire in his belly to fight and win. He would rather cave, and protect his turf.

Damn Boehner and all who caved with him.

Get rid of him, and all who follow him.

It was never going to be easy..we knew that. Stay the course and get rid of these rino’s and/or conservatives who caved, one by one. And replace them with conservatives, one by one. It is an never ending battle. Remember that George Washington lost many a battle of one kind or another, until he WON the war.

250 posted on 04/08/2011 8:31:44 PM PDT by itssme
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