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Landslide! It looks like Waterloo in Wisconsin for government unions.
WSJ ^ | APRIL 8, 2011 | James Taranto

Posted on 04/09/2011 3:26:02 PM PDT by rhema

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But whereas we thought Kloppenburg had a real chance of beating Prosser, we've always been skeptical to the point of incredulity about the prospects for recalling Republican senators. That's because under Wisconsin law, an official has to have served for a year before being subject to recall. That shields both Walker and all Republican lawmakers who replaced Democrats in last year's election. As Wisconsin senators serve four-year terms, only those who survived the Democratic sweep of 2006 or 2008 can be recalled.

It only gets worse for Wisconsin Democrats. Kloppenburg's campaign implied--though in her "victory" press conference she robotically denied--that she would provide the deciding vote on the court to overturn Walker's reforms. Her defeat means that those reforms will soon take effect unless they have an actual legal defect.

One of the most important reforms is that union dues will become voluntary. State and local government will no longer take money out of their employees' paychecks and hand it over to the unions. This is likely to be the last Wisconsin election in which the Democrats have the advantage of support from organizations with the power to raise campaign funds coercively.

The unions' show of muscle in this week's election was not unimpressive, even though it was insufficient to the task at hand. Starved of the nourishment of forcibly collected dues, they may look like a 98-pound weakling by 2012.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: prosser; union; walker; wisconsinshowdown
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To: SandRat

I hope that car was a Volt...


51 posted on 04/09/2011 4:14:39 PM PDT by tubebender (Now hiring Tag Line writers. Full time low pay)
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To: SpaceBar

You are right of course but a little celebration is in order. Our supreme court candidate survived a three million dollar onslaught by unions and their supporters.


52 posted on 04/09/2011 4:14:52 PM PDT by UB355 (Slower traffic keep right)
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To: fwdude
Now enact voter I.D. and other election safeguard laws. These have the Left screaming almost as loudly as union busting laws.

Bingo. It's now time for Wisconsin to bring forth Voter ID and end same-day registration.

53 posted on 04/09/2011 4:16:29 PM PDT by LdSentinal
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To: UB355

I must admit I’m surprised by those numbers and thanks to all of you who educated me.

I just know that when I was a member you sure felt intimidated if you didn’t join.


54 posted on 04/09/2011 4:16:56 PM PDT by Terry Mross (Only a SECOND party will get my vote.)
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To: SC_Pete
Not gonna happen. Scott Walker was my County Executive for the past 10 years - if anything he is stronger in his convictions.

I was at a luncheon this afternoon where Steven Hayes of the Weekly Standard was the speaker. He told of having several conversations with Governor Walker during this whole ordeal, and how he would look at a sea of thousands of protestors outside his door and say, "These numbers do not represent the millions of taxpayers of the state of Wisconsin. They are the ones who elected me to get things done for them and I will do that."

55 posted on 04/09/2011 4:18:39 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Libs, we thought we made it clear in Nov....CAN YOU HEAR US NOW??????????)
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To: EDINVA

No doubt. Especially after the complete washout the Republican Party in Washington is.


56 posted on 04/09/2011 4:25:12 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Obama Sucks and so do the RINOS.)
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To: workerbee

Also there should be alternatives to union group premiums for professional insurance. A teacher told me years ago that the ONLY reason he belongs to the union is because of the insurance. If he carried solo, it would be more than his union dues and the insurance premiums through the union combined.

The states should figure out a way to make those insurance rates affordable to teachers. Then it’s absolutely bye bye to the unions. They’ll be left only with teachers whose courses are easily dispensable. I’ve noticed locally that the teachers most engaged with the unions (union reps) are PE teachers, not usually classroom teachers.


57 posted on 04/09/2011 4:25:54 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: rhema

Hah ! Love how they linked spelled Huffington Post in the HTLM link ......”Puffington Post”


58 posted on 04/09/2011 4:28:58 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Mygirlsmom
exactly, those mobs were nothing but bussed in (paid) out of state union thugs. In other words.. they were ASTRO-TURF!

And Astro-Turf doesn't VOTE!

lol

Take THAT Nancy!

59 posted on 04/09/2011 4:30:01 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Carter 2.0 The Epic Fail Edition)
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To: Terry Mross
I doubt very many will stop paying dues. All this does is stop them from being “involuntarily” deducted from the paycheck. Most of the members will be bullied into paying them “voluntariy”.

True. However the unions will have to devote much time and resources to make sure they get their coin. Muscle cost money and the unions will definitely use it to get what's theirs. The union rank and file will finally see what is most important to the union leadership. Union dues will be jacked up as will those who refuse to pay.

Just remembered something... In the 80's I worked at UPS and had to go down to the local Teamster's union hall to fill out some paperwork. I was shocked at the building's ramshackle appearance. It looked like a condemned building with the interior offices, sparsely furnished with secondhand furniture. The office I was led to didn't even have filing cabinets but had files in boxes stacked along the filthy wall. I remember at the time thinking, "Where is all our money going?" Now I know.

60 posted on 04/09/2011 4:30:24 PM PDT by vlad335
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To: tubebender

At least a GM product.


61 posted on 04/09/2011 4:30:47 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: rhema

John Kerry more than likely helped that union babe make her sign!!!!!!!!


62 posted on 04/09/2011 4:30:47 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: EDINVA

re: “Also there should be alternatives to union group premiums for professional insurance. A teacher told me years ago that the ONLY reason he belongs to the union is because of the insurance. If he carried solo, it would be more than his union dues and the insurance premiums through the union combined.”

Well, I don’t know what the union dues are in your friend’s state, but in my state, I can get professional liability insurance through Christian Educators of America, Inc. (CEAI) for a fraction of what union dues cost. He is correct about why many teachers join the union - it is simply because of the liability protection.

Also, you can tell your friend that CEAI is non-sectarian. You don’t have to belong to a church or even be a Christian to join. I also believe that there are other sources of professional liability insurance out there as well for fairly lost cost. Some of the teachers in my state said they added their insurance through their homeowners policy.


63 posted on 04/09/2011 4:33:34 PM PDT by Nevadan
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To: kevao

WHOA!!!!!


64 posted on 04/09/2011 4:34:04 PM PDT by karnage
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To: Nevadan

How much money did the Unions lose in this race that Obama won’t get. I love it.


65 posted on 04/09/2011 4:34:48 PM PDT by scooby321
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To: UB355
the liberal Supreme Court justice candidate is some 7000 votes behind after declaring victory.
You mean the one who "won" by about 100 votes and then said something to the effect that, "the people have spoken in no uncertain terms."
Freakin' Libs, I hate 'em.
66 posted on 04/09/2011 4:34:54 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: TexasFreeper2009
And Astro-Turf doesn't VOTE!

Well, not legally anyway. Dollars to donuts says that there were a fair number of out-of-state union thugs voting last Tuesday.

67 posted on 04/09/2011 4:35:54 PM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Terry Mross

The way the unions dug in tells me IN SPADES they know their funds will dry up. They’re done.


68 posted on 04/09/2011 4:36:10 PM PDT by chiller ( EVERY Democrat on EVERY level must go)
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To: EDINVA
That's an interesting observation. I remember going back to a high school reunion, a classmate of mine an state teacher's union organizer. He went from so-so high school basketball player to PE teacher back at my old high school (Yes a “Welcome Back Kotter” sort of thing!) to a very few years teacher's union guy. Apparently PE teaching was too challenging!
69 posted on 04/09/2011 4:36:30 PM PDT by Reily
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To: martin_fierro

That illustrates why they usually make them carry mass-produced signs. The union goons are illiterate.


70 posted on 04/09/2011 4:36:36 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: rhema
One of the most important reforms is that union dues will become voluntary. State and local government will no longer take money out of their employees' paychecks and hand it over to the unions

Every GOP run state dealing with pubic sector unions who collect union dues for thug unions must do the same thing

That alone will cost the congress at least a couple dem seats

71 posted on 04/09/2011 4:37:57 PM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: EDINVA

It is the only bright spot ... funny how Republicans lose their courage when they move to Washington ...it must be the air


72 posted on 04/09/2011 4:39:19 PM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: EDINVA
Here in Wisconsin the teacher's union has an extra special racket. They own a health insurance company which charges outrageously high premiums and then through collective bargaining the union forces the school districts to get their insurance through them. The teachers don't care what their premiums cost because they don't pay them.

it's money laundering pure and simple, and without the changes to collective bargaining, they will continue to extract even greater sums than union dues straight from the pockets of the taxpayer.

73 posted on 04/09/2011 4:41:36 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Libs, we thought we made it clear in Nov....CAN YOU HEAR US NOW??????????)
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To: martin_fierro

Hope she’s not a teacher. LOL


74 posted on 04/09/2011 4:41:50 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Nevadan; EDINVA
The Association of American Educators has a bigger and better professional liability policy than the NEA's.

And AAE dues are $15 a month.

And AAE is the kind of professional organization the NEA could never even hope to be.

75 posted on 04/09/2011 4:41:59 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SandRat
One of the most important reforms is that union dues will become voluntary.

Dam*** liberty keeps breaking out! This is intolerable! < /sarc>

gitmo

76 posted on 04/09/2011 4:50:14 PM PDT by gitmo (Hatred of those who think differently is the left's unifying principle.-Ralph Peters NY Post)
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To: martin_fierro
Must be a teacher...”Our are kids learning?”
77 posted on 04/09/2011 4:51:10 PM PDT by JPG ("2012 Can't Come Soon Enough" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Terry Mross
Yep, when I was an airline union member, not joining was not even discussed. It was, "Here is the card that you sign and everything else is taken care of." Somebody in our class asked, "What if you don't want to be in the union?" and the response was, "You don't want to not be in the union. Just sign the card."

I will never forget one trip I took where one of the pilots came up to me in the galley before the flight and "informed" me that the captain was a "scab." My response was, "So? What do you want me to do about it?" "I just wanted you to know."

Later in fight, the captain would not take any beverages or food from any of us. Never said why, but it was obvious. He brought his own lunch and coffee. I felt sorry for the guy the way his co-workers treated him. It was ridiculous. And it was all over a strike that had happened over 15 years prior.

My union rep called me once to picket Burbank airport. I told him I was busy. "Well how about tomorrow? Or the next day?" "Nope, I'm pretty much busy for the rest of my life." "You do know that your union negotiates all of your benefits, don't you?" "And you do know that I never was given the option of not being in a union, don't you?" That was pretty much the end of the conversation.

78 posted on 04/09/2011 4:51:28 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: apillar

I don’t know, after a couple visit by the unions goon knee-breakers to members that “forgot” to mail in their dues.


If the knee-cappers are forced onto commission only, then what? What happened in Indiana when the dues became ‘voluntary’?


79 posted on 04/09/2011 4:57:24 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: rhema
Starved of the nourishment of forcibly collected dues, they may look like a 98-pound weakling by 2012.

How many more states to go?

80 posted on 04/09/2011 5:03:28 PM PDT by GVnana
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To: ponygirl

Yep, airline unions are like that. Even in right-to-work states membership is required; state RTW laws don’t apply to airline and railroad workers due to the Railway Labor Act.


81 posted on 04/09/2011 5:06:04 PM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: Mygirlsmom

We have been waiting for a hero. You are convincing me—I pray you are right.


82 posted on 04/09/2011 5:14:51 PM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: Nevadan

Well, that friend is now retired, as are most of my former teacher friends He was an extraordinary teacher, too. Somewhere back in the 90s he was National Teacher of the Year. Probably never had a claim made on his insurance.

I’ll keep the CEIA in mind for friends’ adult children who might still be teaching. Really despise unions. Thanks for the tip.


83 posted on 04/09/2011 5:18:01 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: rhema

“So whatz the beg deel” Nuthing is rong with that sine.”

Saym here. I don’t see nothing rawng.


84 posted on 04/09/2011 5:22:09 PM PDT by ripley
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To: rhema

sounds to me like an awful lot of union voters do not want their dues being automatically deducted and they pulled the lever for Prosser


85 posted on 04/09/2011 5:22:30 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Reily

Many years ago when I was active in PTA (when it was still pretty conservative in our area), there was a meeting of all the schools in our local district on the question of “merit pay.” So I went as our school’s rep and voted FOR it. I was seated between 2 people I knew from nearby schools. One was an art teacher, the other - you guessed it - PE teacher married to another PE teacher.

After I raised my hand for the “Yes” vote, the PE teacher leaned across me to the art teacher, pointing his thumb in my direction (in other words, in my face) and asked her: “Did she vote Yes?” to which the other hrumphed “yes, she did.” The rest of the meeting wasn’t particularly comfortable.


86 posted on 04/09/2011 5:22:33 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

In Illinois, the law requires that the results are posted at the polling places. Locally we use paper ballots with ovals filled in by the voter. They are scanned as the voter places them in the machine which also records the vote. At the end of the day the election officials run off two tapes of the results. One is posted on the window of the polling place and the other along with the ballots and scanner memory card are taken to the county election officials. They provide totals to the media. I suspect few if any ever check the posted results at the polling place.


87 posted on 04/09/2011 5:22:37 PM PDT by Western Phil
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To: SC_Pete
Wisconsin--we're "Cheesehead Cool" and producing all the leaders now....Paul Ryan, Scott Walker. Keep your eye on our new Senator, Ron Johnson too.

For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my state!!!

88 posted on 04/09/2011 5:27:56 PM PDT by Mygirlsmom (Libs, we thought we made it clear in Nov....CAN YOU HEAR US NOW??????????)
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To: rhema; Mygirlsmom

oh, the AAE really IS what a teacher’s association should be. No question there.

The problem, as Mygirsom pointed out, is that in some place, WI in this case, the NEA has its own insurance racket that forces the schools to buy its insurance and the teachers themselves don’t pay (at least not directly).

Maybe as Walker’s law is enacted about the dues having to be paid directly vs. withheld, the teachers will look more to a reputable outfit like AAE. I sure hope they plan to do some serious recruiting in WI over the next couple of years.


89 posted on 04/09/2011 5:29:58 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Lando Lincoln

Exactly. A republican who will not blink. His Lt. Gov. has spine made of steel as well.


90 posted on 04/09/2011 5:31:53 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: tflabo
Absolutely! We knew we couldn't do it along.

First ACORN, now the unions. Honesty is slowly returning to the ballot box.

91 posted on 04/09/2011 5:35:33 PM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.conservativedna.com/)
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To: workerbee
This move by Wisconsin is going to spread across the country, who said that there is no God.
92 posted on 04/09/2011 5:38:52 PM PDT by ANGGAPO (Layte Gulf Beach Club)
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To: Keith in Iowa

It’s that Wisconsin accent ~ not only is it sing/song sounding, “our” and “are” really are pronounced the same.


93 posted on 04/09/2011 5:43:16 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: ripley
Saym here. I don’t see nothing rawng.

Ime so hapy we agrie.

94 posted on 04/09/2011 5:45:15 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Mygirlsmom

“EDUMACATOR”, not “EDJA.....”


95 posted on 04/09/2011 5:46:14 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: Lando Lincoln

But without a leader like Scott Walker, these things are impossible.”

I agree with you. We found a leader. You’re 110% correct.


96 posted on 04/09/2011 5:47:13 PM PDT by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: ponygirl
Democrats use UNION MADE signs ~ which are, of course, PRINTED.

It's a union thing.

You'll notice that the smarter groups of TEAParty folks use only HAND MADE SIGNS. That way you can ferret out the Democrats and Union geeks instantly!

97 posted on 04/09/2011 5:50:27 PM PDT by muawiyah (Make America Safe For Amercans)
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To: Mygirlsmom

Keep rocking. As a Texan, I’ve sure been impressed by Wisconsin the last few months, and that includes the SB win.


98 posted on 04/09/2011 5:52:32 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: fwdude

Yes like making voter fraud a capital offense as it undermines the very system that runs the country. People lose faith in the voter system welcome to the 3rd world.


99 posted on 04/09/2011 5:55:15 PM PDT by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather

I view vote fraud as similar in immorality as to espionage or treason! For it undermines the most fundamental act of being a citizen in a free country.


100 posted on 04/09/2011 6:02:51 PM PDT by Reily
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