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US Leaves Space For Russia
Space Daily ^ | Apr 10, 2011 | Staff Writers

Posted on 04/10/2011 6:06:43 AM PDT by Salman

By the end of this year, NASA will no longer be able to send humans into space. According to Barack Obama's plan, responsibility will go to private companies, which are expected to come up with cheaper ways to ferry astronauts to low-Earth orbit.

"They know they have a big step to take if they are going to put humans into space... They have a lot of work to do," says NASA Astronaut Sunita Williams.

No one can say for sure when the private American companies will come up with a new spaceship.

For years to come, it will be the Russian Soyuz spacecraft, which is going to be the only means for people to reach the International Space Station, which is perfectly fine with the leaders of Russia and the US, but does not sit well with many Americans.

(Excerpt) Read more at space-travel.com ...


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A cost cutting measure from the Big 0,
1 posted on 04/10/2011 6:06:45 AM PDT by Salman
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To: Salman

I actually agree with cutting nasa. $20billion per year and they got nothing to show for it for the amount thats going into it. A private company can achieve the same thing with just $1b/year


2 posted on 04/10/2011 6:09:37 AM PDT by 4rcane
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To: Salman
It IS that, but if I understand correctly, we have benefitted greatly from the space program's R&D, not the least might be SATALITE COMMUNICATIONS ... ZERO'S BELOVED BLACKBERRY ??

Private enterprises will be regulated and taxed so much it will never get off the ground (pun intended), or will die a slow death.

3 posted on 04/10/2011 6:12:25 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Salman
Wrong, miss-usage of funds from NASA, they should have been spending on research toward the reentry problem instead of building a space station that produces nothing. The reduction has been slated for the past several years, you cannot wave a magic wand and change that. We be broke!!!
4 posted on 04/10/2011 6:15:28 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: Salman

The US should unilaterally allow US companies to own parts of the Moon. If you can get there, set up a factory, and extract resources, it’s yours. Use the profit motive. I believe there are international laws that say that you can’t own the Moon. We ought to tell them to sod off.


5 posted on 04/10/2011 6:23:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: org.whodat

O privatized space but did not shut down Nasa. Now we have no Orion and still get globull warming research.


6 posted on 04/10/2011 6:24:44 AM PDT by omega4179 (Our Dear Son, Excellency, Baraka Hussein Abu Oumama...)
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To: 4rcane
$20 billion per year and they got nothing to show for it
I couldn't agree more. Thirty years and trillions of dollars wasted watching space shuttles go up and down.
WTF is there besides a telescope that takes pretty pictures and over a dozen dead astronauts?
7 posted on 04/10/2011 6:25:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Salman
The undocumented Kenyan impostor has destroyed NASA
making its sole goal being to transplant jihad into orbit
making space exploration intrinsicly dangerous FOREVER.


8 posted on 04/10/2011 6:27:19 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people''s money." M Thatcher)
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To: Salman

NASA, n0, but the USAF will still be sending humans into orbit.


9 posted on 04/10/2011 6:29:08 AM PDT by Big Bronson
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To: Salman

2011: NASA Becomes EPA Department, James Hansen Appointed Director


10 posted on 04/10/2011 6:30:20 AM PDT by Magnatron
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To: omega4179

NASA, the place where it takes 1000 people and ten thousand research hours to change a light bulb. But the janitor at walmart can do it in a minute.


11 posted on 04/10/2011 6:30:34 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: oh8eleven

Maybe there is more going on behind the scenes that we don’t know about. Like national defense/security things that the leftists want to destroy.


12 posted on 04/10/2011 6:30:43 AM PDT by Wage Slave (Army Mom!)
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To: Salman
But what will happen to 0bama’a Muzzies in Space Program?
13 posted on 04/10/2011 6:31:45 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: Big Bronson

What is the accomplished beyond bragging rights with those flights?

That is meant as a real question. I am interested in what they are doing.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 6:36:39 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Salman

So from now on, far as the USA is concerned, the path into outer space will be the John Galt Line.
Fine with me, just keep the bureaucrats out of the way.

Dagny Confronts the Union:
http://www.atlasshruggedpart1.com/atlas-shrugged-movie-scene-dagny-confronts-union


15 posted on 04/10/2011 6:50:39 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Public education is WELFARE.)
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To: Salman

Obama’s plan will allow Rissia to tell us what and when things can go into space.
Oh and that new technology stuff sheit can that idea,India winks too.


16 posted on 04/10/2011 6:52:15 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Salman

Lots of shortsighted ignorance on this thread. For starters: modern communications, or satellite communications came out of the space program, as well as satellite TV and GPS systems and many technologies used by our military.

Does anyone believe those innovations and new industries would have come into being for the Western nations without the US space program? And that’s just a partial list.

From Obama’s point-of-view, he probably can’t stand for the US to lead the world in any endeavor other than apologizing for what he considers her sins against the Third World.

People can sing Kumbaya and hold hands and pretend that working with the Russians is a viable way to stay in manned space exploration, but just observing the Russians behavior around the world might not convince the more objection observers.


17 posted on 04/10/2011 6:54:48 AM PDT by Will88
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To: thackney
That is meant as a real question. I am interested in what they are doing.

I am too!

That would require a FOI request, and I suspect that the answers won't be forthcoming. Not for decades.

It's a sad statement for the free citizens of a Republic that we can't even know where our taxdollars are going. I understand the need for some secrecy, but there should be a ten year window. The F-111 was a twenty year old program before we knew about it.

We know of the USAF was playing around with a mini Space Shuttle for years. Ben Rich who took over from Kelly Johnson at the Skunkworks had made statements to the effect that we can "take ET back home now"...

Taken in combination with the hacked info detailing ship to ship transfers "non-terrestrial" USAF officers (meaning humans not on the planet - not bug eyed aliens) to vessels such as the U.S.S.S. Hillenkoetter and U.S.S.S Lamay, one has to figure that either there is a huge disinformation program going on, and billions upon billions of black budget money is being spent on blow and hookers, or that there is a "there" there - namely a military space program that is 50 years more advanced than anything you can imaging we have right now.

* awaits the usual braying clown posse of ignorami to show up with lame references to tinfoil and booze *

18 posted on 04/10/2011 7:02:29 AM PDT by Big Bronson
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To: 4rcane

I agree that the public sector is better suited for most things. I believe that exploration, has historically/usually, been funded by governments because of the prohibitive costs and risks associated with it.

It is my belief that we need to explore and learn to live and work in space. It is very difficult to get private enterprises interested in taking up the huge costs and risks, without some groundwork (and funding) being laid from government. Once it costs and risks are reduced, the private sector can and should take over.

I do not agree that all these years of space flight were for nothing. The knowledge that we have gained from living and working in space is and will continue to be invaluable. With every day that passes we are learning more about our planet, solar system and universe. The technology that was developed in support of space exploration has been used here on earth in technology transfers.
Here’s a link to a website that shows some of the ways that technology developed for space is being used in our everyday lives.

http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/nasacity/index2.htm

I know that I won’t convince many folks who disagree. I just hope that these were informed decisions about the usefulness of the space program.

It is a given that many, many years down the road that the sun will go through it’s life cycle and engulf the inner planets. I think that any forward progress that we can make towards learning how to live and work in space is a step in the right direction in terms of survival of mankind.
I don’t fret about it but think we need understand that the earth is not always going to be here or be habitable. What is the saying about a long journey beginning with the first step? I would like to think that we did out part in helping to advance a step or two in either knowledge or technology towards that goal.


19 posted on 04/10/2011 7:13:00 AM PDT by June2
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To: Will88
People can sing Kumbaya and hold hands and pretend that working with the Russians is a viable way to stay in manned space exploration, but just observing the Russians behavior around the world might not convince the more objection observers.

The new world provided tremendous benefits to the old, but they weren't lying on the beach for Columbus to pick up.

Until we are out there is a meaningful way, we won't be finding them. Unfortunately, NASA has been more of a hindrance to space commercialization than a help. They have kept a stranglehold on manned launch capabilities that has stagnated the entire industry for forty years.

20 posted on 04/10/2011 7:13:08 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: Salman

This is a bit troubling to me. Although I do believe Nasa has lost sight of its intended goal which is to put men in space.

Nasa has wasted billions looking for life in outer space, if they’d just stuck to their mission by putting man in space we’d have a station on the moon by now.

They’ve wasted half a century in ‘research’ looking for some stupid microbe on a floating rock billions of miles from earth when we already had the technology needed to accomplish a moon station in the 60s. For cryin’ out loud they put a dune buggy on the moon back then!!!


21 posted on 04/10/2011 7:14:54 AM PDT by thatjoeguy (Wind is just air, but pushier.)
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To: June2

out=our

sorry for the typo

“I would like to think that we did out part in helping to advance a step or two in either knowledge or technology towards that goal.”


22 posted on 04/10/2011 7:19:45 AM PDT by June2
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To: Big Bronson
Whether there is a secret military space program or not, it is pretty obvious that the government thinks we citizens are all a bunch of uneducated rubes who can't be trusted with any real information. Even the Congress appears to be a puppet show, run by a few members in-the-know with the rest just serving as unwitting actors in a scripted drama.

We stopped being citizens of a Republic a long time ago. We are subjects of an oligarchy.

23 posted on 04/10/2011 7:20:59 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ( "The right to offend is far more important than any right not to be offended." - Rowan Atkinson)
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To: Salman
End NASA.

There is a market for Space. Get the FedGov out of the way, including the EPA and any idiotic treaties we may have stupidly signed, and we'd have vacation hotels on the Moon before the end of the current decade.

24 posted on 04/10/2011 7:24:04 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Big Bronson
"The F-111 was a twenty year old program before we knew about it."

Can't believe I typed that - I meant F-117.

25 posted on 04/10/2011 7:24:25 AM PDT by Big Bronson
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To: Big Bronson

well I hope its the former rather than the latter. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few tiny Asteroids hammering Tehran and a few other places. Forget nukes if we controlled space we could dump whatever we wanted down the well. Whether it be raw solar energy, valuable metals, or the aforementioned asteroids which would make our nukes look like toys.


26 posted on 04/10/2011 7:24:36 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Salman

It would have been true no matter who won in 2008. Really, the solution is private industry and the federal government should be promoting that.


27 posted on 04/10/2011 7:27:04 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: Salman
"We are no longer in a space race. What was once a global competition has become a global collaboration," said President Barack Obama.

It warms the cockles of my heart to see how many Freepers agree with the genuflector-in-chief. The security of the country depends on the US playing a dominant role in space.

28 posted on 04/10/2011 7:27:04 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: ClearCase_guy
The US should unilaterally allow US companies to own parts of the Moon. If you can get there, set up a factory, and extract resources, it’s yours. Use the profit motive. I believe there are international laws that say that you can’t own the Moon. We ought to tell them to sod off.

And if the Chinese get there first?

29 posted on 04/10/2011 7:28:09 AM PDT by K-Stater
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To: utherdoul

“Throw rocks at them”, “The Moon is a Harsh Mistress”, Heinlein, 1966.


30 posted on 04/10/2011 7:29:44 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: 4rcane
NASA lost its nerve after the 1986 Challenger explosion and has not done anything in the manned-spaceflight field except science fair experiments. We should have been to Mars by now, but NASA's feckless bureaucrats have never been able to get past the risk management part of such an expedition.

Cut it---it's become just another government jobs program.

31 posted on 04/10/2011 7:35:58 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Salman
"No one can say for sure when the private American companies will come up with a new spaceship"

The answer is probably sooner than most people think. Space X, a private company founded by Elon Musk (who is also the CEO of Tesla ), is set to launch the Falcon Heavy in 2013 at Vandenberg AFB. The Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket since the Saturn V and have a payload of 53,000 kg. The Shuttle only has a payload of 24,400.

SpaceX will also be making a Spacecraft called the Dragon, which can configured to support 7 passengers, and can be carried into orbit by the Falcon Heavy.

SpaceX will also have a launch pad at Cap Canaveral.

I'm sorry to see the Shuttle program ending and I wish we had a next gen Shuttle ready to go. But I'm happy to see that companies like SpaceX will be stepping up and providing the heavy lift capability our country needs.

Here is link to a video of the Falcon Heavy. Pretty cool imo.

Falcon Heavy video

32 posted on 04/10/2011 7:42:39 AM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: Salman
"No one can say for sure when the private American companies will come up with a new spaceship"

The answer is probably sooner than most people think. Space X, a private company founded by Elon Musk (who is also the CEO of Tesla ), is set to launch the Falcon Heavy in 2013 at Vandenberg AFB. The Falcon Heavy will be the largest rocket since the Saturn V and have a payload of 53,000 kg. The Shuttle only has a payload of 24,400.

SpaceX will also be making a Spacecraft called the Dragon, which can configured to support 7 passengers, and can be carried into orbit by the Falcon Heavy.

SpaceX will also have a launch pad at Cap Canaveral.

I'm sorry to see the Shuttle program ending and I wish we had a next gen Shuttle ready to go. But I'm happy to see that companies like SpaceX will be stepping up and providing the heavy lift capability our country needs.

Here is link to a video of the Falcon Heavy. Pretty cool imo.

Falcon Heavy video

33 posted on 04/10/2011 7:42:39 AM PDT by Norman Arbuthnot
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To: 4rcane

“A private company can achieve the same thing with just $1b/year”
Look for the Won to force regulations that would cripple
or outright ban the private aerospace industry. He may
also help the theft and transfer of technology from the
private industry to Russia, China and any other person
or country that is willing to make a contribution to his
reelection.


34 posted on 04/10/2011 7:42:44 AM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: Salman
The US government space program has been a mission without a goal since 1969. Decades of research and billions of dollars have resulted in a situation where the US needs to contract with Russia to get astronauts into space. Isn't there something terribly wrong here?

NASA is just another sinkhole for money now. They are most concerned with "moslem outreach" and "global warming". What does that have to do with exploring space? Spin the critical science bits off to DARPA, Livermore, JPL etc. Just close down the rest.

Just as the nascent aircraft industry got off the ground with military contracts and airlines were created to service air mail routes, military and commercial necessities should drive the space industry.

Take the money you save by closing NASA and expand the military use of space. A crash program could produce a small a man rated space ferry in a very short time, especially if you build on past programs. Billion dollar prizes and tax incentives could result in a flourishing space industry in a few years, centered on the tourist and manufacturing sectors.

Beyond that, the holy grail is a colony/military post on the far side of the moon. This is the ultimate high ground, virtually unreachable with current technology. If the west doesn't claim this high ground, the Chinese will. If you have to rely on the Russians to get your astronauts into space, you won't get there.

35 posted on 04/10/2011 7:45:04 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: 4rcane

I too agree with cutting Nasa. Watch this...about twenty minutes. Riches below the ocean.

http://www.bigspeak.com/robert-ballard.html


36 posted on 04/10/2011 7:46:31 AM PDT by Conservateacher
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To: Salman; All

The only ones cheering this development are Obama and America-hating Free Trader Commies. They are the only people who hate America having any sort of technological know-how and ability.

I can just imagine the government out-sourcing space travel to some private company: It will be some Soros-run company in Commie China with Indian scientists working dirt-cheap....but with a Globalist American CEO whose salary is twice as much as what we spent for the NASA program

Wonder why the more we out-source our government...the more our taxes are raised


37 posted on 04/10/2011 7:49:15 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (Donald Trump wants Obama's BC released...Glenn Beck attacks Birthers....Now, who is supporting Obama)
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To: LibWhacker

And you think a FedGov that can’t balance it’s own books, nor follow a simple ONE page document, is the best bet for maintaining space dominance?


38 posted on 04/10/2011 7:56:16 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
Why should the FedGov be the one to pick the private company? How about your let each company wanting to put something in orbit decide who to use? Be it Loral, Boeing, Space X, Lockheed, etc...

Wanna compete? Do the job at the best price. Get the government out of the way and US ingenuity will take care of the rest.

39 posted on 04/10/2011 7:58:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: hopespringseternal
They have kept a stranglehold on manned launch capabilities that has stagnated the entire industry for forty years.

Quite a sweeping statement with no elaboration; undefined personal opinions.

The initial space travel was not feasible for any entity but governments as potential direct profits were decades in the future. Some dreamers these days think they are going to set up mining operations on the moon, or have profitable space tourism in the near future, but few steps have been taken to actually bring any of it about.

If the US is to continue acquiring knowledge and advancing in manned or unmanned space exploration, it better still have a government program ongoing for the foreseeable future.

40 posted on 04/10/2011 8:00:53 AM PDT by Will88
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To: utherdoul
well I hope its the former rather than the latter. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few tiny Asteroids hammering Tehran and a few other places.

We already have hypervelocity weapons "Rods From God" which are probably intended for such asset rich but hardened targets as Hainan Island. That's what we rubes know about. Now what we actually have that we aren't being told about is probably a lot more advanced than that.

Or...the money was spent on booze and hookers. Got to keep an open mind.

41 posted on 04/10/2011 8:07:31 AM PDT by Big Bronson
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To: Salman
According to Barack Obama's plan, responsibility will go to private companies, which are expected to come up with cheaper ways to ferry astronauts to low-Earth orbit.

So free market solutions work for putting humans into space but don't work in getting me between Tampa and Orlando ??? (forced high speed rail)

42 posted on 04/10/2011 8:08:39 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Will88
Some dreamers these days think they are going to set up mining operations on the moon, or have profitable space tourism in the near future, but few steps have been taken to actually bring any of it about.

Why try if the FedGov won't allow you to profit from it? We caved in to the Commies and made space exploration a losing proposition for private enterprise.

Back out of that treaty, and space exploration/exploitation would take off.

43 posted on 04/10/2011 8:09:21 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Salman

NASA is good only with lower cost, investigative research. Beyond that, NASA becomes recursive. They have success inventing a wheel, so they reinvent the wheel. Always with an eye *just* to discovery, not to application.

For example, they send a successful pair of rovers to Mars. So their next step is to send a larger rover to Mars, to do much the same thing.

The Russians, and private industry, are far more practical. They realize that to go far, most of what you do will not result in scientific discovery, but will just pave the way for scientific discovery.

In just going to the Moon for a while, NASA would build a surface habitat that could be used once, but would soon become degraded because of cosmic and enhanced radiation, extremes of heat and cold, vacuum and extra abrasive Lunar dust. Doing so would limit how long people could stay on the Moon, as well as limit the supplies and equipment they could bring with them. Thus, they would never grow beyond a single mission.

The obvious solution is to tunnel underground, to mine horizontal caves in a cliff face, with a nuclear powered tunneling robot. It would not have to be fast, just thorough, and could mine, reinforce, micro-fissure seal, and even test the tunnel for air tightness and radiation ahead of time.

Since it is on a one-way trip, its lander could be cannibalized for pressure doors, tunnel ceiling, walls and flooring, all pre-made with electrical wiring and fixtures. And its nuclear reactor would provide both power and heat for the astronauts. Once water ice was found and mined, reactor electricity could be used for electrolysis, to obtain both oxygen and hydrogen.

NASA would not ever imagine such a thing.


44 posted on 04/10/2011 8:22:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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45 posted on 04/10/2011 8:44:50 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Norman Arbuthnot

Do you know how many Falcon 9 flights it is going to take to get the rocket man rated? I’ve read a total of 17 so it is going to be a while before America can send up its own astronauts again.

Two Falcon 9 flights down with only 15 more to go!


46 posted on 04/10/2011 8:49:34 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: June2
True. We take for granted the benefits from space exploration. This includes everything from the felt tip pen to pocket calculators to satellite communications.

Although all these advances were created by private companies, they were funded by the government. Perhaps it would have been better if the Air Force had maintained the mission of space exploration. However, space exploration is important, and the countries that explore space will own the future. Unfortunately, many in this country now simply want all funds to be given out to those who do not work, and do not wish to reach for the stars.

47 posted on 04/10/2011 8:54:57 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: omega4179
Now we have no Orion and still get globull warming research.

The "Orion" was just a dandified external solid rocket booster from the Shuttle with a capsule bolted on. More embarrassment than accomplishment.

I'm sure that NASA has paid for iteself MANY TIMES OVER through its history. Of course it has also become a bloated bureaucracy in need it trimming - but taking it out back and shooting it only works against America's best interests.

Maybe Obama's next campaign slogan should be "No we can't!"

48 posted on 04/10/2011 9:01:59 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Salman

Anyone remember when astronauts were the best of the best? Remember when everyone else came to the USA to get stuff into orbit? What happened?


49 posted on 04/10/2011 9:03:58 AM PDT by ronnyquest (I spent 20 years in the Army fighting the enemies of freedom only to see fascism elected at home.)
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To: omega4179

O privatized space but did not shut down Nasa. Now we have no Orion and still get globull warming research.

The real question is “Privatize space but nationalize health care, GM, Banks, and everything else that is too complex for the Private Market. I mean it’s not like it is rocket science...ooops I guess it is.”


50 posted on 04/10/2011 9:04:07 AM PDT by CoastWatcher
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