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The Camelot Cover-up Continues
Townhall.com ^ | April 10, 2011 | David Stokes

Posted on 04/10/2011 9:28:58 AM PDT by Kaslin

Gene Healy, author of The Cult of the Presidency—America’s Dangerous Devotion to Executive Power, suggests: “In an age when Americans periodically swoon for imperial presidents, a little sacred cow-tipping would be a public service.” The made-for-television mini-series, The Kennedys, recently airing on ReelzChannel is a case in point.

Unceremoniously cancelled earlier this year by The History Channel as not a good “fit” for “the History brand,” the project was controversial almost from its inception. This had to do completely with the hypersensitivity of a vast array of myth-guardians who stand perpetual watch over the Kennedy family, as well as the career and legacy of America’s 35th President. And these members of the Camelot cabal pretty much wrote the book on branding.

I have long been a student of the Kennedy era and I wrote a Master’s thesis on it many years ago while working on my political science degree. And frankly, I have yet to see a scenario or fact presented in the broadcast that has not appeared in the history available at any public library or bookstore. I find myself wondering why the fuss?

The John F. Kennedy portrayed in this new series is a real life character—warts and all. Greg Kinnear does an admirable job with the JFK persona, as does Katie Holmes with Jackie Kennedy. Is it all flattering? Certainly not. But JFK comes off as a much more sympathetic character in this current portrayal than might have been expected after hearing all the advance hype and horror. In fact, in my opinion the production spends a tortured amount of time showing him as a man much more “conflicted” about the flaws, now well known, than he really was.

I can’t for the life of me see why The History Channel blackballed the miniseries, when they regularly show things like Monster Quest, Swamp People, and Clash of the Cavemen. You know, real serious history stuff. Not to mention the fact, that the network regularly peddles speculative conspiracy theories, from novelist Brad Meltzer’s Decoded, to several programs dealing with various theories on—ironically—the Kennedy assassination.

Of course, there was a very real conspiracy behind The History Channel’s decision to dump the miniseries. It doesn’t take Glenn Beck’s blackboard to connect those dots. But after watching The Kennedys, I am completely at a loss to figure out why anyone seriously found the material objectionable. The broadcast broke no new ground.

Likely, the keepers of the fictional Camelot flame simply didn’t want another reminder of the vast disconnect between calculated and conjured myth in the wake of Mr. Kennedy’s tragic death and actual reality. Whether one reads a good book about the Kennedy years or watches The Kennedys on ReelzChannel, one thing is clear—there were potential ethical and moral time bombs threatening his presidency. And there is a credible case to be made that had Kennedy lived beyond that fateful fall day in 1963, and had he managed to be reelected in 1964 (not at all a sure thing), he may not have survived a second term, politically.

That’s right. As Hugh Sidey suggested before his death in 2005—the same Hugh Sidey, who as an editor at Time Magazine during the Kennedy years, was also a Camelot insider—JFK’s various and sundry moral, ethical, and judgmental, pecadillos might very well have led to his actual impeachment.

The Kennedy administration could very well have been on the road to its own kind of Watergate.

From the improper use of the FBI in surveillance and investigation in matters not at all related to national security, to misuse of the Secret Service, to his affair with a mistress of a major crime boss, with its obvious compromises, Mr. Kennedy played by his own rules against the backdrop of the last gasp of an age of media mercy. He lived on the edge, from his monumental sexual addiction, to his experimentation with illicit drugs, to his dependence on substances that, while not illegal, were questionable—John F. Kennedy’s time was running out. People were always covering for him and clearly many still are.

But was it only a matter of time before someone broke rank?

If Watergate taught us anything, it was that it is hard to keep a lid on a big story—even in the White House. Had John F. Kennedy lived and had his shortcomings been investigated and written with Woodward-Bernstein-like passion, it is not far-fetched that he may not have been reelected in 1964. And if he did manage to win that race, and investigators did their jobs, JFK might very well have been impeached or pressured to resign.

Then again, that may be fantasy, because it was unlikely that Ben Bradlee, editor of the Washington Post in those days, and an inbred Kennedy crony, would have allowed any such story to go forward. At any rate, it all went away that sad November day and we are left with a legend that does history, not to mention the American people, a disservice.

And because what could have been a major broadcasting event has been dispatched to cable television’s backwater, it seems that the cover-up continues.

That “brief and shining moment” that never really was, lives on.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: kennedys

1 posted on 04/10/2011 9:28:59 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin
Had John F. Kennedy lived and had his shortcomings been investigated and written with Woodward-Bernstein-like passion, it is not far-fetched that he may not have been reelected in 1964.

The threat to the left of a Goldwater presidency was worth almost any coverup.

2 posted on 04/10/2011 9:39:05 AM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: Kaslin
If Watergate taught us anything, it was that it is hard to keep a lid on a big story—even in the White House. Had John F. Kennedy lived and had his shortcomings been investigated and written with Woodward-Bernstein-like passion, it is not far-fetched that he may not have been reelected in 1964. And if he did manage to win that race, and investigators did their jobs, JFK might very well have been impeached or pressured to resign.

History repeats itself with the media covering up for the Obama 'Camelot.'

3 posted on 04/10/2011 9:39:25 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Kaslin

JFK’s assasination was a horrible tragedy because it made him into a martyr, foreclosing any real examination of a genuinely and seriously flawed man who ran an equally flawed administration. That, indeed and primarily, is why no one should even contemplate doing such a thing to the Illegal.


4 posted on 04/10/2011 9:42:59 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: Kaslin

The whole Camelot era was a myth to begin with. It was conjured up by Jackie Kennedy with the help of Theodore White, the author.

People only talked of the Camelot era after JFK was assassinated. It’s not as if people said on inauguration day 1961, “The Camelot era has arrived”.

That said, it was tragic that JFK was assassinated, and good people of all politicial persuasions mourn that event. But the revisionist history efforts which went into overdrive on behalf of the Kennedys are something else again.

Isn’t it true that, with the retirement from Congress of Ted Kennedy’s son, that there is no Kennedy in elective office anywhere anymore?


5 posted on 04/10/2011 9:43:58 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Kaslin
last gasp of an age of media mercy.

The last gasp is still gasping for obumo.

6 posted on 04/10/2011 9:47:00 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Kaslin

“Cult” of the Presidency is right.

There also exists

“cult” of the minister, where the congregants are expected to cover for the minister’s drug use, affairs, etc.

It is BS.


7 posted on 04/10/2011 9:48:45 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: DTogo

Who knows what the media is covering up today, especially considering that a good liberal whom they revere is in the White House?

These cover ups do happen today. For example, after the fact, we learned that the Washington Post and Newsweek magazine had the Monica Lewinsky story, but that they had sat on the story for months. They didn’t want to go with the story because of the political damage it would do to Bill Clinton. They said that they didn’t release it because they were still verifying details and all that.

Now, if they have some scandal which would damage a Republican/conservative, would the same editorial judgement apply; would an organization such as the Washington Post sit on such a story??????


8 posted on 04/10/2011 9:49:11 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: DTogo

JFK was taken out by forces who believed he was a prime target for blackmail. His failure to back the joint chiefs at the Pay of Pigs and his blockade of Cuba in ‘62 convinced some that he was in a job way over his head.

The Profumo scandal in Britain convinced others to worry. If a British defense secretary could cause a government to fall in a sex scandal, what position was the Kennedy government in? JFK and Bobby were bagging women two at a time...and lots and lots of people knew it.

With LBJ as VP very powerful forces understood that Kennedy’s murder could and world be covered up.


9 posted on 04/10/2011 9:50:11 AM PDT by kjo
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To: libstripper

IF it happened to the illegal, it’d be the left that did it!!!


10 posted on 04/10/2011 9:50:42 AM PDT by shield (Rev2:9 Blasphemy of them which say they're Israelites, and are not, but are the synaGOGue of Satan.)
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To: Kaslin

Having an affair with a Russian spy. Fell asleep at the wheel of his boat and a Japanese Destroyer ran it over.


11 posted on 04/10/2011 9:52:04 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: kjo

“What position was the Kennedy government in?”

Sources say the missionary was preferred.


12 posted on 04/10/2011 9:55:57 AM PDT by NOVACPA
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Now, if they have some scandal which would damage a Republican/conservative, would the same editorial judgement apply; would an organization such as the Washington Post sit on such a story??????

I think the whole Watergate affair answers your question. Rhetorical, though it was.

13 posted on 04/10/2011 9:56:53 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Ben Bradlee was a Kennedy toady from the beginning and Newsweek’s Washington Bureau Chief. He became WaPo Managing Editor in 1965 and Exec Editor in 1968.

His sister-in-law Mary Meyer was one of Kennedy’s concubines.


14 posted on 04/10/2011 9:58:28 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Kaslin

After the series was panned by a lib reviewer, I decided to watch it. It has been enjoyable in a soap-opera kind of way.

Even during the Kennedy era and moreso after the assassination, the MSM advocated its position as the watchdog, choosing to look the other way. Just as they do now. Our republic cannot last if the media chooses to only go after those they deem as worthy targets, based on ideology....


15 posted on 04/10/2011 10:06:59 AM PDT by Fu-fu2
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
You are exactly correct.

Mr. Kennedy played by his own rules against the backdrop of the last gasp of an age of media mercy.

Utter nonsense. The MSM still goes out of its way to protect its favored "Progressives", who are in truth regressives to an age of unlimited government.

16 posted on 04/10/2011 10:09:21 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Last Dakotan
I was alive then and as I recall Goldwater was ahead in the polls. That was the reason Kennedy went to Dallas in an attempt to "galvanize his base"- to use a current phrase.

In my opinion Kennedy was the first president totally created by the press. Compare him with Roosevelt who dominated the press and used it to impose his will. Nixon and Johnson were destroyed(unmade if you please) by the press.

17 posted on 04/10/2011 10:14:03 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: DTogo
Yes, the Left creates and sustains their mythic and Edenesque, Camelot; with Leftist MSM help; and by same determination, they create for the 'Right' the anti-Camelot MO 'rewrite' per a history that serves them.

An altogether easy task; given that the Right takes for granted that history will speak for itself and of course it does not.

18 posted on 04/10/2011 10:28:44 AM PDT by cricket (Osama - NOT made in the USA. . . .and Obama, not made i)n the USA either.. .)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
A couple of thoughts on Kennedy. If John Kennedy had been a fictional character, he would have been as unbelievable as Forrest Gump or James Bond.

Second, Kennedy was pushed relentlessly by the media in a day prior to the public being aware of media manipulation. Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore were selected for their roles on the Dick Van Dyke show partially because of their similarity in appearance to the Kennedys. McHale's Navy and the movie "They Were Expendable" were created because of the PT 109 experience of Kennedy.

The John Kennedy PT 109 experience was a microcosm of his life. He was originally refused the command because of his sexual involvement with a possible spy and his health. After obtaining the command due to his father's political influence, he was in command for less than three months, two of which were spent refitting the boat before it was destroyed in combat. The investigation into the loss did not reach a conclusion, which is extremely unusual for a ship loss. The navy never considers losing a vessel to be a good thing, but the press hailed Kennedy as a hero.

He ventured into combat when he could have easily avoided it, and took an extremely dangerous assignment. He may not have been particularly competent, but he was there. Through all the Camelot hype, and equally important, those who detest him, there was a real man. Like Lincoln, the true John Kennedy will never really be known.

19 posted on 04/10/2011 10:33:00 AM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: Richard Kimball
Of course JFK may never have run for President if his older brother had not died in WWII. Joe Jr. was the one being groomed to run for President--which is not to say that if Joe Jr. had served as President, that Jack might not have run for the same office later (the way Bobby and Teddy did after his death).

Clearly the most over-rated President if you consider what he actually accomplished vs. how highly he is rated. He gave some inspiring speeches and avoided going to war with the Soviet Union over the missiles in Cuba, but there is not a lot else. Perhaps the moon landing happened sooner than it would have if he had not decided to make it a goal to get there before the end of the 1960s.

20 posted on 04/10/2011 10:45:16 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Kaslin

Attack Camelot and you’ll find out every who every RINO is and you’ll be overwhelmed in seconds. Camelot is the very essence of back seat limo Liberals. Hell, I remember when there was an Ethel Kennedy hair-do.


21 posted on 04/10/2011 10:46:28 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: abb
His sister-in-law Mary Meyer was one of Kennedy’s concubines.
Was she not originally a Miss Pinchot of the Philadelphia Mainline very virtuous Pinchot? Wasn’t she first married to Cord Meyer of the CIA and then murdered most mysteriously about a year after JFK. Meyer apparently was dispatched to personally destroy her diary. I always felt if there was a conspiracy it was in Mary Meyers murder. What did she know that was beyond merely scandalous. What sort of pillow talk had she been privy to. She was murdered, Judith Exner lived, there was something Meyer knew that made her a huge liability to more than the JFK image. But what?
22 posted on 04/10/2011 10:47:36 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Nicely stated.

The media has done more to sell us incompetent politicians to the detriment of our country and culture than any external power ever could.
Nor do they have any shame in their never ending hypocrisies and the manner in which they go to any length to protect their own.

On the rare occasion the media finds itself criticizing a democrat for corruption it is always softened or excused by their mantra of “all parties do it.”

In an ironic kind of way, the media has no problem with neo-conservatives when a liberal leads us to war or with Reagan economics when a Clinton signs a law doing away with welfare.

Does the Kennedy series show when Black leaders sent pens to a reluctant Kennedy to sign fair housing laws? Kennedy was very reluctant to advance the civil rights movement.


23 posted on 04/10/2011 10:51:22 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Kaslin
Likely, the keepers of the fictional Camelot flame simply didn’t want another reminder of the vast disconnect between calculated and conjured myth in the wake of Mr. Kennedy’s tragic death and actual reality. Whether one reads a good book about the Kennedy years or watches The Kennedys on ReelzChannel, one thing is clear—there were potential ethical and moral time bombs threatening his presidency. And there is a credible case to be made that had Kennedy lived beyond that fateful fall day in 1963, and had he managed to be reelected in 1964 (not at all a sure thing), he may not have survived a second term, politically.

JFK was the first presidential candidate I ever voted for. Suffice to say I had a nascent awareness of the political universe then, and the only legacy from that period is that I am still a registered democrat; that has allowed me endless amusement in the interim, but that's another story.

The overiding lesson from that young age is the sheer stupidity of supporting or encouraging political family dynasties. It boggles the mind that it took 50 years, until 2009 to rid the country of the last Kennedy snake.
For me it is a hard earned lesson. I have never since voted for members of the same family.

I did not watch the TV series, it was time not worth wasting, and as mentioned in this article, the facts are there for any youngster who wishes to learn. Most of us who lived through it don't need a refresher; there are more pressing issues to deal with. But the young (under 40) whose faith demands that history began when they became aware of the importance of history and politics this is a BFD.

I'll let them revel in that, and hope that eventually they grow up.

24 posted on 04/10/2011 10:52:55 AM PDT by Publius6961 (There has Never been a "Tax On The Rich" that has not reached the middle class)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Media spelled backwards spells “Aid em”


25 posted on 04/10/2011 10:53:00 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Kaslin
IMHO, the primary reason The History Channel was pressured into dumping "The Kennedys" was its producer, Joel Surnow: GOP supporter, creator of "24", and the ULTIMATE sin F.O.R. (Friend Of Rush.)

My wife and I have watched the mini-series and have enjoyed it thoroughly. Looking forward to the conclusion tonight; we're itching to see how it ends. LOL!

26 posted on 04/10/2011 10:54:10 AM PDT by LaybackLenny (Palin-Bachmann Overdrive 2012 - takin' care o' business!)
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To: Dan(9698)

bttt


27 posted on 04/10/2011 11:01:47 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Richard Kimball
the movie “They Were Expendable” were created because of the PT 109 experience of Kennedy.

Actually not so. the film ‘They Were Expendable’ was based on a book of the same name by journalist William White. The book was released in 1942, I think and deals with Buckley's PT Boat squadron in the Philippines after Dec 7. The film is remarkable for the sober and realistic way it treats the subject. Probably because it was released in 1945 when it was obvious the war was won. The men of the PT boats squadron are shown doing their best against a more numerous and better armed enemy. Their triumphs are few and realistically consist of attacking Japanese motor supply barges and troop carriers. In the end two officers are picked to be airlifted to Australia (They arrive just as the B-17 is running up its engines and bump an older LTC. He asks if they will mail his wife a letter if they get out. That is just one of the touches of understated but rather (For Hollywood) profound realism the film contains) At the end of the film as the credits run up the survivors of the unit are seen straggling down the beach on Luzon towards an unknown but probably not good fate. It is night the stars shine in the tropic sky and the survivors say nothing. The music of ‘The battle Hymn of the Republic” is played perhaps to offset the tale of defeat or more as a reminder of the cost of defending the Republic . The stoic heroism this film reflects really hit me when I first saw it on TV and several times after during the Viet Nam era. To me it was just one more chapter in the history of heroism and sacrifice by US armed forces in the distant pacific. Same as Korea, same as Bataan and now a gain in Viet Nam.

28 posted on 04/10/2011 11:02:14 AM PDT by robowombat
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Kennedy didn’t listen to Homer Capehart’s clarion call.

http://bcfoley.blogspot.com/2011/04/paul-ryans-homer-capehart-problem.html

Khruschev had Kennedy pegged - total lightweight -
same as the world regards Hussein.


29 posted on 04/10/2011 11:05:12 AM PDT by A'elian' nation (Political correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred. Jacques Barzun)
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To: Kaslin

bttt


30 posted on 04/10/2011 11:10:56 AM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Kaslin
Unceremoniously cancelled earlier this year by The History Channel as not a good “fit” for “the History brand,” the project was controversial almost from its inception. This had to do completely with the hypersensitivity of a vast array of myth-guardians who stand perpetual watch over the Kennedy family, as well as the career and legacy of America’s 35th President. And these members of the Camelot cabal pretty much wrote the book on branding.

What a paragraph. I couldn't agree more. The whole Camelot thing was a fraud from the get go. The whole MSM at the time was complacent in creating this fantasy. This was/is a very unhealthy thing for a democratic republic. We need an accurate representation of the Kennedy administration for what it was.

Kennedy wasn't a bad president- as Democrats go. The Democrats at the time were nothing like the Democrats of today. JFK knew and understood world events several levels above the buffoon in the White House today. He also was not interested in the class warfare we see today with the Democrats. So in that sense he was several levels above what constitutes the Democrat party of today. Yes, the guy had his faults. And if he had lived and if I were old enough to vote, I would have voted against him in 1964. Still compared with what we have today, he doesn't look half bad.
31 posted on 04/10/2011 11:20:25 AM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: robowombat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Pinchot_Meyer


32 posted on 04/10/2011 11:25:46 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: blueunicorn6
There's enough factual material about JFK that we don't need to invent things. Kennedy did not fall asleep at the wheel of his boat, he was engaged in a difficult engagement that was being directed over the radio by people not on the scene. His fellow PT boat commanders have defended his tactics and his actions. It is worse than petty to second guess a commander when you only have the most tenuous grasp of the facts. Learn what actually happened before you and other Freepers, sadly, shoot your mouths off.

Kennedy was no Farragut, but he was no Walter Mitty either. From reliable accounts of the overwhelming number of members of his crew and fellow commanders he as a competent and conscientious officer, who was attentive to his duty and the welfare of his crew.

33 posted on 04/10/2011 12:02:10 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Kaslin
Sometimes I don't understand the anti-JFK vitriol on Free Republic. JFK's basic political philosophy was much closer to Ronald Reagan's than any contemporary Democrat, more so than a lot of RINOS, like Mitt.
34 posted on 04/10/2011 12:37:32 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Kaslin
The Camelot Cover-up Continues

Lies!, Lies, Lies! Camelot was real!!!!

I know, I had a Blue Striped Flying Unicorn and the Sun shined every day. It never snowed in winter - except right before Christmas, then melted after New Year's day.

Everybody loved each other, strangers hugging each other instead of fighting for parking spaces. There was no crime so the Police delivered Ice Cream. And in school everyone got A's, bullies disappeared, and every teacher looked like Jackie Kennedy!

Camelot was ... beautiful.


35 posted on 04/10/2011 12:50:47 PM PDT by Condor51 (The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits [A.Einstein])
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To: Condor51

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCtselIX4yg


36 posted on 04/10/2011 12:58:43 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Richard Kimball; All

Richard Kimball said:

McHale’s Navy and the movie “They Were Expendable” were created because of the PT 109 experience of Kennedy.

Being a kid during the 1960s, I don’t remember ‘They Were Expendable’ being played any more often than other war films on local prime-time TV. Though with the passage of time, I’ve come to appreciate the film as an under rated gem.

Explain to me how a John Ford film from 1945 was ‘created’ to fit Kennedy’s PT 109 experience?

I may buy off Jimmy Dean’s song ‘PT 109’ while Kennedy was campaigning, but a comedic television series from 1964, whose express purpose was naval recruitment seems a bit of a stretch.

Also, would someone explain to me how a Lieutenant jg manages to put his boat bow athwart of a Japanese destroyer?

Just my two cents.


37 posted on 04/10/2011 1:22:10 PM PDT by Jack Deth (Knight Errant and Resident FReeper Kitty Poem /Haiku Guy)
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To: Jack Deth
My bad. I was thinking of another movie, and I can't recall the title of it now.

Iv'e read a lot on the PT 109 and like everything else about Kennedy, it's hard to tell truth from created myth by those both seeking to deify and destroy him.

Here http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-11.htm is the official naval record of the events. They were declassified in 1959.

38 posted on 04/10/2011 1:42:14 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: Jack Deth
I may buy off Jimmy Dean’s song ‘PT 109’ while Kennedy was campaigning, but a comedic television series from 1964, whose express purpose was naval recruitment seems a bit of a stretch.

McHale's Navy was first broadcast on October 11, 1962, and it was no secret that the impetus for the show was the interest in PT Boats because Kennedy was in the White House. The original pilot was much more of a drama, taking the tone of "Mr. Roberts." The producer, Edward J. Montagne, though, had been the producer of Sgt. Bilko, and decided to make the series Bilko in the navy.

Little historical note: The opening of "Gilligan's Island" was filmed the weekend Kennedy was assassinated. Supposedly, you can see the flag at half mast as they sail out of the harbor, although I've never been able to see it.

On the movie, I was thinking about PT 109, with Cliff Robertson playing Kennedy. Stupid goof on my part.

39 posted on 04/10/2011 2:01:40 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets
Agree on your points, although losing a command is never considered a good thing and Kennedy only actually commanded the PT 109 for three months, two of which were spent refitting it, so he was only in combat a little less than a month.

The most damning argument I've heard about the circumstances was that the PT Boats had finicky engines. This was a known issue, and there was a specific action that had to be taken prior to gunning them. I forget what the actual action was, but speculation is that the engines died because they attempted to gun the engines improperly, causing them to flood and die. This is hardly a dereliction of duty, but an error made under extreme circumstances, IF this is indeed what happened.

I have heard speculation that the 109 crew had hidden and were asleep. It is true that attempts by command to reach them by radio were unsuccessful for a period of time, but no one with any knowledge of the events has substantiated the claim that they were asleep. This appears to be mostly speculation based on the facts that it was around 0230 and that they were unavailable by radio.

40 posted on 04/10/2011 2:10:34 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (Proud member of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge (KOOK))
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To: Richard Kimball
People make broadbrush criticisms of JFK's command performance based on speculation and invention. I've read one account of the action in which he lost his boat by a fellow PT commander who as very critical of the higher commands and who defended JFK's tactics.

It was a night time engagement and some of the boats were equipped with radar and some were not. The people running the battle ordered the radar equipped boats out of the area soon after the engagement began, leaving only boats without radar. Even if the radar equipped boats had simply stayed and provided the other boats with situational updates, it would have been a huge benefit.

Kennedy has been critized for turning off one engine and idling the other low. He most probably did so because bioluminensce paints a huge “shoot me” arrow in the water, that Jap aviators knew how to read.

41 posted on 04/10/2011 3:05:58 PM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: shield; libstripper
IF it happened to the illegal, it’d be the left that did it!!!

But he has a point. It would be a chance for the MSM to do what they do best -- cry us a river over The Martyred Obozo, and then use the diversion to sweep everything under the rug.

Moochelle would be the next Coretta Scott King, hectoring and lecturing us about how evil white people are (Coretta didn't do that, but you know Moochelle would), and Obozo's men of hench would go on to continue to cover for him while serving in later administrations and make sure nobody ever got to the bottom of anything -- like the Sherrod Ag Department scam, for instance. You'd never hear Shirley Sherrod's name again, they'd bury her so deep. (Maybe literally?)

42 posted on 04/10/2011 6:42:14 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: abb
Ben Bradlee was a Kennedy toady from the beginning and Newsweek’s Washington Bureau Chief. He became WaPo Managing Editor in 1965 and Exec Editor in 1968. His sister-in-law Mary Meyer was one of Kennedy’s concubines.

In that case, someone in Bradlee's family may know Mary Meyer's secrets. Still.

Summon the apothecary. Prepare the sound recording devices. This will mean getting someone very drunk and slipping them the sodium pentothal, to winkle out the dead woman's family secrets.

Sounds like another job for our intrepid conservative black-bag/impersonator penetration agents!

43 posted on 04/10/2011 8:00:45 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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