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Trump is Right and is Now Turning to the Real Issue – What is a ‘Natural Born Citizen?’
The International News Magazine ^ | April 11, 2011 | Zach Jones

Posted on 04/10/2011 4:52:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: Munz; RSmithOpt
[RSO] >Notice how the Lame Stream Media, the RINO’s and The Trump are completely avoiding Zeewoe’s ineligibility because he is not a natural born citizen because BO Sr was never a US citizen?<

Ummm, if BHO Sr's marriage to Stanley Ann was bogus because bigamous (remember, he's supposed to have common/tribal-law wife Kezia stasheed at home all this time), then doesn't BHO Sr's citizenship status become immaterial, because BHO Jr was born illegitimately to a single US citizen?

Just askin'.

I'm more interested in the renaturalization issue and his residence in Jakarta.

[Munz] Now they can’t go back and say .. hey we really screwed up.

If this pans out and Obozo turns out to have been ineligible for any reason, not only will The Won be Leavenworth-eligible, but so will Nancy Pelosi, who wilfully crammed Obama's "eligibility" down Hawaii's throat and bullied them into putting him on the ballot.

As for the Dinosaur Media (TM) will be utterly dead, stone dead, their credibility (and many of their careers) incinerated forever. And they'll deserve it, deserve living forever in ignominy, obscurity, and penury.

61 posted on 04/11/2011 1:36:43 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: lentulusgracchus
FRiend, you're trying to divert. Article II of the US Constitution specifically requires that both parents are US citizens in order to confer Natural Born status.

The US Constitution does not specify married US parents.

62 posted on 04/11/2011 2:11:33 AM PDT by RSmithOpt (Liberalism: Highway to Hell)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Actually, my thoughts are that I have ZERO idea if either of my parents qualify as natural born citizens. All four of my grandparents were immigrants from Eastern Europe, and I know that at least 3 of them passed their citizenship tests, but I have no idea if it was before or after my parents were born.

And my grandfather DID get the question wrong on the test, “Could your son become President of the United States?” He answered, “no”, because he thought that no son of his ever could. (It was, apparently, his only wrong answer.)


63 posted on 04/11/2011 4:30:39 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: Awgie

I’ve always harbored a suspicion that my SATs were higher than the President’s :)


64 posted on 04/11/2011 4:35:23 AM PDT by Explorer89 (And now, let the wild rumpus start!!)
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To: pawdoggie
it’s about the citizenship status of the parents

ONLY if BHO Sr. and SAD were legally married.

In the common law, and all statutes in effect in 1961, bastards did not HAVE fathers.

The concept of legal fathers for bastards was invented by the US Supreme Court in 1973 in Gomez v. Perez (the same Court in the same term that decided Roe v. Wade).

BHO Sr. could not have transmitted British nationality to any children of SAD, since they were not legally married.

65 posted on 04/11/2011 4:43:24 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: RockinRight

I share your concerns. I have a 25 yr old daughter and 15 yr old son. I worry about what life here will be like for them and I feel rather pessimistic about it after all the nation has been through in addition to what Emeror Obummis has put us through.

Trump seems like an attack dog moving in for the kill and I haven’t heard much substance from him. What would a Trump presidency be all about? And in that regard, he has an awful lot in common with Obama himself whose campaign was nearly all about that ‘evil Bush’.

It’s fine to get down and dirty, but at the end of the day someone’s going to have to go and do real work to get us back on track. That’s what my vote will be all about, not who can sling the most mud.


66 posted on 04/11/2011 9:06:33 AM PDT by dajeeps
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To: RSmithOpt
FRiend, you're trying to divert.

Actually, I'm not.

If the Kenyan Mau-Mau had been married to a Luo woman back home, then any pretended marriage he had acted out with Stanley Ann Dunham to stand up her no-doubt accidental pregnancy (and foolish, and ....) as somehow righteous, would have been null and void under U.S. law because bigamous.

Which would make Junior a ringtailed bastard and one-parent child. No daddy in the law. Right?

So how would that impact NBC status for him, if there was no father in the picture?

Consider: If Stanley Ann had become pregnant after a happy weekend having sex with eight or ten different guys, there would be no way to tell, without paternity testing (which isn't legally required in such cases), whose spermatocyte won the baby race.

With an Oort cloud of possible daddies available, or none in sight and she ain't talking, then how do you determine NBC status of an illegitimate infant?

That's my point.

67 posted on 04/11/2011 9:27:42 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Jim Noble; RSmithOpt
[JN] In the common law, and all statutes in effect in 1961, bastards did not HAVE fathers.

Which speaks directly to my last, which see.

Furthermore: If it was the Supreme Court that invented the idea of fatherhood for the propagators of bastards in a holding of the Court, then that is case law not constitutional law and is subject to revision and review by any subsequent session of the Court, or any act of the Congress.

It also would arguably not apply to The Won because he was born in 1961.

It also would not modify the black-letter law spelled out in Article II.

68 posted on 04/11/2011 9:39:08 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus (Concealed carry is a pro-life position.)
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To: Windflier

I’ve heard the left state so many times “it’s a living document” without any foundation,

that I wouldn’t doubt that they’ll come up with their own definition for “natural born” and just assert it with no legal or constitutional foundation to back up their assertion.


69 posted on 04/11/2011 9:41:44 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: noinfringers2
Trump should be given this info if he doesn’t already have it.


Rush Limbaugh interview with Donald Trump.

March 1 2011

rushlimbaugh.com / By Popular Demand: Donald Trump

Trump: ....Now, Ari Emanuel, who if you've looked they did Entourage on Ari Emanuel, that's my agent. Rahm is his brother. Ari's a great friend of mine ....

70 posted on 04/11/2011 9:51:02 AM PDT by longjack
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To: lentulusgracchus

The USSC decided that fathers for bastards was an equal protection (XIV) issue.


71 posted on 04/11/2011 10:39:49 AM PDT by Jim Noble (The Constitution is overthrown. The Revolution is betrayed.)
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To: lentulusgracchus

>then doesn’t BHO Sr’s citizenship status become immaterial, because BHO Jr was born illegitimately to a single US citizen?<

Good question .. One I do not have a ready answerto. But i suspect that you are correct.
It would come down to (technically) who his father was. Which could only be really secured through DNA tests i would suspect.

As far as the won being Leavenworth eligible, I think he is and certainly so is pelosi and reid. But that again is all the more reason that they have to continue to keep this hidden.

I think that the media is already on it’s way out. Look at the viewer ship of all of them. The only one who has any draw is Fox now. And even they are suspect in a lot.


72 posted on 04/12/2011 12:08:44 PM PDT by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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