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'Legal weed ruined my life'
Bay of Plenty Times ^ | April 4, 2011 | Jamie Morton

Posted on 04/11/2011 5:35:44 AM PDT by AustralianConservative

A young Tauranga man wants "legal weed" banned, claiming an addiction to it drove him to steal and left him riddled with anxiety.

Student Robert Moore, 23, (pictured) says he smoked up to $80 of Kronic each day and claims the marijuana alternative has had damaging psychological and physical effects on him. But Kronic has rejected the claims, saying its products are not addictive and are harmless unless used irresponsibly. The R18 synthetic cannabinoid is made from a mixture of dried herbs and is available at about 20 outlets across the Western Bay.

The product usually contains the 1,1-dimethyloctyl homologue of the substance CP 47,497, a synthetic substantially similar to the main active component of cannabis tetrahydrocannabinol (THC).

Mr Moore spoke to the Bay of Plenty Times after the newspaper last month reported that Kronic was being sold outside Western Bay's largest secondary school - horrifying the mother of one teenager who she says got stoned from it.

Mr Moore got hooked on the product after first trying it late last year.

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His mother said her son was characteristically "cheerful" and "intense" but had changed noticeably after he started using the product.

"We had him home for the summer and his personality was completely screwed. He'd become very devious, he was very distant and he had lost the ability to socialise. His personality has changed radically because of this and I think it should be banned, definitely." But Kronic spokesman Ben Thompson said the product contained no ingredients that could create a dependence or cause psychological problems.

"The effects are similar to cannabis but it's not as strong or intense and isn't harmful."

(Excerpt) Read more at bayofplentytimes.co.nz ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: anxiety; cravings; kronic; legalization; nz; weed
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1 posted on 04/11/2011 5:35:48 AM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative

The only thing worse than legalizing it is keeping it illegal.


2 posted on 04/11/2011 5:37:46 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: AustralianConservative

I thought this might be Thailand, but it turns out it’s New Zealand.


3 posted on 04/11/2011 5:40:35 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: AustralianConservative

He’s addicted to it by his own admission. Making it illegal helps him how? That just ups the stakes for your fix.


4 posted on 04/11/2011 5:43:43 AM PDT by allmost
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To: AustralianConservative
So another person who chooses not to control himself wishes to impose his personal failures onto other people.

You could make the same argument about legal gambling, cigarettes and alcohol. Maybe those need to be banned too. /s

5 posted on 04/11/2011 5:45:26 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: babble-on

“The only thing worse than legalizing it is keeping it illegal.”

Why?


6 posted on 04/11/2011 5:46:35 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: AustralianConservative

'Legal weed ruined my life' ,

7 posted on 04/11/2011 5:46:55 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: pnh102

“You could make the same argument about legal gambling, cigarettes and alcohol. Maybe those need to be banned too.”

I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.

Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.


8 posted on 04/11/2011 5:50:05 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: babble-on
The only thing worse than legalizing it is keeping it illegal.

That is the Progressives idea, by making it Legal they can try to make it Normal. Once they make it Normal, then attacking it can be made Indefensible.

In the mean time, a Generation Goes Down the Drain.

9 posted on 04/11/2011 5:50:05 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: AustralianConservative
....horrifying the mother of one teenager who she says got stoned from it.

Okay, the mother or the teenager?..........bad Engrish...............

10 posted on 04/11/2011 5:55:04 AM PDT by Red Badger (I've posted a total of 1,723 threads and 64,113 replies. as of 04-06-2011)
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To: Wpin

yeah they tried that already. Little thing called Prohibition which among other things gave rise to the Kennedy empire. Try again.

I’ll admit it I did pot a few times. Never liked the stuff it made me feel dumber than usual and hungry to boot. The perpetual pothead seems to me to be more along the lines of a perpetual drunk, or the three pack a day smoker. They exist but they aren’t as common as people seem to think.


11 posted on 04/11/2011 5:57:00 AM PDT by utherdoul
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To: Wpin
I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.

We did that with Prohibition. It was a disaster that ushered in organized crime rackets into every major city in the USA and probably caused more problems than it ever hoped to solve.

Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.

The problem is that drugs' currently being illegal is not stopping the people who want to use them from using them. They find ways to get around the law. Drugs have been illegal in the USA since the late 1930s and even with the heavy-handed approach that many law enforcement agencies take with druggies today, overall drug use is worse than it ever has been.

In every society, there will exist a group of people who will refuse to control their own passions and engage in self-destructive behavior. This simply cannot be helped unless the person involved wants to be helped. Taking the "banning it" approach to these problems will simply move the problem to the next form of moral malaise that is still legal.

As for ignoring God, I am going to assume that you are speaking about the Christian God. If this is not the case, I apologize. But there are no teachings in the New Testament which task the state with enforcing the Law of God. Furthermore, we are taught as Christians that we must obey all of the laws except for those which conflict with God's Law. Even if drugs are legalized, the people who take their faith seriously will not indulge in them to excess, or at all.

12 posted on 04/11/2011 6:00:58 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: sr4402
That is the Progressives idea, by making it Legal they can try to make it Normal. Once they make it Normal, then attacking it can be made Indefensible.

What happened to their idea that the government owes them a risk-free society?

One sob story should be enough to bring down the heavy hand of government, and it it saves one child, then unintended consequences are irrelevant.

13 posted on 04/11/2011 6:02:20 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: babble-on

I oppose “legalization.” It is a scam...

legalize = lawyers and taxes

More laws, more lawyers, more police, more of a police state... NO THANK YOU...

You should be able to grow it like a tomato in your garden. You should be able to grow opium poppies in your flower bed if you want to... I don’t...

I want the government out of the picture completely.

Making the state the new drug cartel is asinine...

ERASE ALL THE LAWS ON MARIJUANA, DON”T MAKE MORE LAWS!


14 posted on 04/11/2011 6:03:25 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: tacticalogic

see #14...


15 posted on 04/11/2011 6:04:22 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: utherdoul

See #14...

Prohibition was constitutionally implemented, by the way...


16 posted on 04/11/2011 6:05:43 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Headline should be “Loser blames everything but himself”.


17 posted on 04/11/2011 6:07:33 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: pnh102

See #14...

Prohibition was constitutionally implemented, by the way...

People might not like it, but it was done fair and square... It was also repealed constitutionally...

The Constitution DOES work.


18 posted on 04/11/2011 6:07:33 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood (Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???)
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To: All

Most of you apparently havn’t read the article. This isn’t MJ, this is some kind of phony artificial stuff that is called legal weed. It not supposed to be addictive and as far as I could tell from the article it isn’t even supposed to get you high. That is why it is legal to sell in NZ. This kid obviously has mental issues that have nothing to do with this product and it sounds like his family thinks they have hit the lottery.


19 posted on 04/11/2011 6:08:51 AM PDT by calex59
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To: AustralianConservative

It’s unbelievable the huge amounts of THC fake equivalencies that are on the internet now. The have the JWH-001 to JWH-250 series and all of them interact differently with the THC receptor in the brain. They have this new AM-0000 series that they’re experimenting with that have extremely wild effects to the point of massive halluncinations and paranoia. All these are imported from Chinese “powder houses” and resold by American distributors.

The “legal weed” is basically oregano with this stuff sprinkled on it.


20 posted on 04/11/2011 6:10:05 AM PDT by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: AustralianConservative
'Legal weed ruined my life'

Boo HOO!

I'm such an idiot, words on a piece of paper would have made me a better person.

These fools should be ashamed of themselves.

21 posted on 04/11/2011 6:13:54 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a Person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
That's a little much.

We do need to overturn Wickard v Filburn, and get the fedgov domestic drug war shut down. If the people and the States want that to be an enumerated power, they can enumerate it.

Right now constitutional basis of the DEA authority is every bit as sound as the EPA.

22 posted on 04/11/2011 6:18:22 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: AustralianConservative

Illegal weed ruined the lives of many of my high-school classmates.

It made them passive and lethargic, not willing to pursue an education or a career. Those guys are now waiting tables and driving cabs as they still get high every day and are pushing 50.


23 posted on 04/11/2011 6:26:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: AustralianConservative

To the best of my knowledge, pot is not addictive. I never tried the stuff. Is Kronic addictive?

There is a physiological addiction and there is a mental addiction. Alcohol is physiologically addictive. Gambling is mentally addictive.

Is this guy just weak in the head?


24 posted on 04/11/2011 6:37:08 AM PDT by kidd
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To: AustralianConservative

Other Legal ‘things’ that can ruin your life:

1) Junk Food- Obesity
2) Motorcycle without a helmet
3) Dropping out of high school
4) unprotected sex
5) constant video games
6) scratch off lottery tickets
7) blowing ones paycheck on lap dances
8) not brushing your teeth
9) not exercising
10) not voting

Point is, many of get tired of people blaming everything but themselves for a ruined life.

For the record, I am against legalization but ‘pot’ will never disappear where their is a demand.


25 posted on 04/11/2011 6:52:12 AM PDT by Le Chien Rouge
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To: kidd

Pot was MUCH easier to give up than cigarettes in my earlier life.


26 posted on 04/11/2011 6:53:20 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Wpin

There’s nothing good that can come of the government legislating what you can do with your own body, for starters. If you give up the right of self-determination, slavery isn’t far behind.


30 posted on 04/11/2011 6:55:26 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: AustralianConservative

Just imagine if it was illegal too. Not only would he still be stupid, but he’d be jailed, raided, dogs shot, kids shot, grandparents shot, and broke (even more broke).


31 posted on 04/11/2011 6:56:36 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Wpin

Please see post #14.

Thank you,
Moleman


32 posted on 04/11/2011 7:06:05 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Wpin
Libertarians are simply wrong on issues of drugs being legalized. Actually, they are off base on many of their positions. They seem to ignore God and that is their downfall philosophically.

Wow! What Bible have you been reading? Christ died for our LIBERTY! He set us FREE from the LAW of sin and death. HE turned water into wine at a wedding feast WHERE THE PARTICIPANTS WRE CLEARLY DRUNK.

The foundations of America were freedom and liberty. Try studing a little more and you may become enlightened to many truths. It is antithetical to freedom to place arbitrary limits on anything such as a little weed. God gives us a choice for LIFE or DEATH. He didn't make robots. He gave us the opportunity to FAIL. It is when we realize our failures that we turn back to Him!!!

... Mark 7:6 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you hypocrites; as it is written:

“‘These people honor me with their lips,
but their hearts are far from me.
7 They worship me in vain;
their teachings are merely human rules.’

8 You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions.”

9 And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.”

14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

17 After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

33 posted on 04/11/2011 7:11:42 AM PDT by WVKayaker
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To: WVKayaker
Yes, when people get so high on God that they insist that us common mortals not imbibe from the fermented grape or the grain - it seems they would have HIM turn wine back into water.

Justification of the nanny state in the name of the Lord takes many manifestations - all of them facile - I think the argument for alcohol prohibition more-so than others.

34 posted on 04/11/2011 7:21:38 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Wpin
We made alcohol illegal once already (and it required a conditional amendment to do it) it was an unmitigated disaster. It gave rise to a criminal class the likes of which we had never seen before. It created more damage to people that acquired it illegally because it's pretty hard to go after a criminal that was selling bad alcohol. Not only that but the people that drank to excess still drank to excess. A basic knowledge of history would demonstrate to a school child that making alcohol illegal again would only create more problems. No problems you mention would be alleviated by making it illegal.

I do not see the constitutional authority for the government to ban any substance. That being said, people need to be responsible for their actions and with our welfare system we would end up paying people to take drugs. I would think that is a bad idea.

35 posted on 04/11/2011 7:23:04 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: AustralianConservative
Are you is Australia and trying to persuade Americans to subscribe to your nonsense? This is the second posting I have noticed where you try to persuade others with your personal diatribes.

Pot is harmless. This article is not about marijuana (pot). Authoritarians, SUCH AS YOU, are not!

Go peddle your snake oil in your homeland...


36 posted on 04/11/2011 7:24:07 AM PDT by WVKayaker
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To: WVKayaker
14 Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, “Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15 Nothing outside a person can defile them by going into them. Rather, it is what comes out of a person that defiles them.”

Something I read recently that, to me, touches upon this point -

“At one time Mr. (Frederick) Douglass was traveling in the state of Pennsylvania, and was forced, on account of his colour, to ride in the baggage-car, in spite of the fact that he had paid the same price for his passage that the other passengers had paid. When some of the white passengers went into the baggage-car to console Mr. Douglass, and one of them said to him: “I am sorry, Mr. Douglass, that you have been degraded in this manner,” Mr. Douglass straightened himself up on the box upon which he was sitting and replied: “They cannot degrade Frederick Douglass. The soul that is in me no man can degrade. I am not the one that is being degraded on account of this treatment, but those who are inflicting it upon me.”” Booker T. Washington “Up From Slavery”

37 posted on 04/11/2011 7:25:25 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: WVKayaker
People drunk at a wedding? What's the world coming to when people will imbibe of alcohol at the joining of two souls.

Next you'll be telling me that people danced and eventually the bride and groom had sex.

Fun at a wedding. I don't understand it.
38 posted on 04/11/2011 7:26:30 AM PDT by OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings
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To: Durus
... with our welfare system we would end up paying people to take drugs. I would think that is a bad idea.

Too late, FRiend...

ADHD: A Real Disorder for Some, a Monthly Check for Other.


39 posted on 04/11/2011 7:29:19 AM PDT by WVKayaker
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood
You should be able to grow it like a tomato in your garden. You should be able to grow opium poppies in your flower bed if you want to... I don’t...

Actually, I thought it was legal to grow opium poppies in your garden. You can buy dried ones from any flower store and people make tea out of them. Now, if the feds see you trying to process your poppies, then, I think, you're out of luck.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about growing them.

40 posted on 04/11/2011 7:29:46 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Weed has also helped many smart people become successful. We can post stories about anybody else’s experiences, but our lives are individual, and God gives ALL of us the opportunity to fail. Man just restricts us!


41 posted on 04/11/2011 7:35:32 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Guilt is a rope that wears thin - Ayn Rand)
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To: WVKayaker

Yes...you have a point.


42 posted on 04/11/2011 7:40:11 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
Those guys are now waiting tables and driving cabs as they still get high every day and are pushing 50.

So? The world needs waiters and cab drivers, too. What's wrong with waiting tables or driving a cab?

43 posted on 04/11/2011 7:59:35 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: Wpin
“I would agree with making alcohol illegal...would save thousands of lives and a huge amount of anguish each year.”

lol, since it worked out so well the last time prohibition was tried. Those too stupid to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. BTW even die hard prohibitionists admitted that prohibition was a dismal failure and a mistake the last time around.

45 posted on 04/11/2011 8:27:17 AM PDT by monday
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To: monday

“lol, since it worked out so well the last time prohibition was tried. Those too stupid to learn from their mistakes are doomed to repeat them. BTW even die hard prohibitionists admitted that prohibition was a dismal failure and a mistake the last time around.”

Those who are just plain too stupid to understand lies and distortions are just plain stupid. You will be unable to come up with statistics to support your stupid position...like how many died due to prohibition compared to how many die each year now due to alcohol. Or, maybe you can try crime...you will lose on all counts fool. You have been brainwashed without thinking about the subject...that indeed does make you a fool.


46 posted on 04/11/2011 10:01:37 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: WVKayaker

You confuse libertarianism with freedom and God, libertarianism puts morality aside...that is their biggest mistake. Then, there are other issues as well that many libertarians are making...like their wanting to end the Fed, their misconception that we suffered from inflation the last few years...etc.

I realize that making alcohol against the law would not get to first base anymore...no matter how much damage, pain, and suffering it causes. I also do believe people have the right to harm themselves...but, the problem with alcohol is when we do harm because of it, we ALWAYS harm others as well.


47 posted on 04/11/2011 10:08:12 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: OnlyTurkeysHaveLeftWings

Yes, you make a good point. Problem is, when alcohol harms it ALWAYS harms others as well.


48 posted on 04/11/2011 10:09:47 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: Got Long Form?

You are joking right? Are you stupid enough to really believe more people were killed because of prohibition than now without it because of alcohol?


49 posted on 04/11/2011 10:11:07 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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To: utherdoul

“The perpetual pothead seems to me to be more along the lines of a perpetual drunk, or the three pack a day smoker. They exist but they aren’t as common as people seem to think.”

You lead a sheltered life friend...


50 posted on 04/11/2011 10:13:16 AM PDT by Wpin ("I Have Sworn Upon the Altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny...")
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