Skip to comments.Deadline Nears On BATFE Shotgun Ban Comments
Posted on 04/12/2011 5:44:24 PM PDT by neverdem
|Deadline Nears On BATFE Shotgun Ban Comments|
|Friday, April 08, 2011|
As we reported on Jan. 28, May 1 is the deadline for public comments concerning a shotgun importation ban that has been proposed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives. A working group within the BATFE has recommended that any shotgun (semi-automatic, pump-action or any other) that has any one of 10 specific features should be banned from importation, on the grounds that such shotguns are not generally recognized as particularly suitable for a readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
The features in question are a folding, telescoping, or collapsible stock; a magazine of over five rounds or a drum magazine; a flash suppressor or a muzzle brake that also suppresses flash; an integrated rail system other than on top of the receiver or barrel; a light enhancing device; a forward pistol grip or similar protruding part; an excessive weight of over 10 pounds; an excessive bulk of over three inches width and/or over four inches depth; a bayonet lug; or a grenade-launcher mount.
The working group considers sporting purposes to be limited to hunting, skeet, trap and sporting clays, but not to include practical shotgun matches or recreational target shooting. To have considered practical matches, the working group said, could have led to conclusions that would undercut the BATFEs 1989 and 1998 bans on the importation of semi-automatic rifles, and its 1993 ban on the importation of various semi-automatic pistols. The working group also indicated a reluctance to accept practical matches because they test defensive firearm skills, which the working group believes are of military and police orientation.
Since the law conditions a firearms ability to be imported on whether it is generally recognized as meeting the laws sporting purpose test, it is important that the BATFE hear from members of the general public. Particularly relevant will be the comments of people who use shotguns equipped with one or more of the features for hunting or any form of competitive or recreational target shooting, and people who adapt such shotguns to a sporting purpose by simple modifications, such as attaching or removing a flashlight, attaching or removing a forward grip, or installing or removing a magazine extension or magazine plug.
Comments to the BATFE may be submitted by e-mail to firstname.lastname@example.org, or by fax to (202) 648-9601, and must be received by May 1, 2011. Faxed comments may not exceed 5 pages. All comments must include name and mailing address.
Anyone who still does not have everything they think they will need in the future is really nuts.
Holy shit! Say goodbye to any new Saiga shotguns!!!!!
Might have to get another one, if the prices haven’t yet gone to the Moon.....
Since New York State already bans centerfire rifles for hunting except in the extreme northern part of the state, all they will allow for deer and bear are shotguns.
The BATFE needs to be disbanded. It serves no useful purpose other than to enforce liberal agenda.
I’ve heard Saiga were being stopped at the border because their import permit was denied.
Prices have gone to the moon already.
I have seen a few fair used prices though.
McDonald v. Chicago involved a 2nd Amendment challenge to a Chicago ordinance that essentially banned private handgun ownership in the city.
In 2008, a divided Supreme Court, in District of Columbia v. Heller , struck down similar District of Columbia legislation on the grounds that it violated an individuals 2nd Amendment right to keep and bear firearms for lawful uses such as self-defense in one’s home. But the Court declined to say whether this 2nd Amendment right applies to the states and local governments and not just the District of Columbia, which is under federal jurisdiction. The Court answered this question in McDonald.
In a five-four split decision, the McDonald Court held that an individual’s right to keep and bear arms is incorporated and applicable to the states through the 14th Amendment's Due Process Clause. Writing for the majority, Justice Alito observed: It is clear that the Framers and ratifiers of the Fourteenth Amendment counted the right to keep and bear arms among those fundamental rights necessary to our system of ordered liberty (p. 31). The Fourteenth Amendment makes the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms fully applicable to the States. In a separate concurring opinion, Justice Thomas wrote that the 2nd Amendment is fully applicable to states because the right to keep and bear arms is guaranteed by the 14th Amendment as a privilege of American citizenship.
The Court did not rule on the constitutionality of the gun ban, deciding instead to reverse and remand the case for additional proceedings. However, the courts decision on the 2nd Amendment makes it clear that such bans are unconstitutional. But, as it held in Heller, the Court reiterated in McDonald that the 2nd Amendment only protects a right to possess a firearm in the home for lawful uses such as self-defense. It stressed that some firearm regulation is constitutionally permissible and the 2nd Amendment right to possess firearms is not unlimited. It does not guarantee a right to possess any firearm, anywhere, and for any purpose.
The dissenting judges argued that the right to own guns was not fundamental and therefore states and localities should be free to regulate or even ban them. They said the Heller decision on which the Court relied heavily was incorrect and even if correct, they would not have extended its applicability to states.
So the BATFE argument that a shotgun not suitable for "sports" is a red herring and has no standing in law> I won't get into the HELLER case:
I wonder if “sport” can be extended to hunting liberals?
I guess I missed that part of the Second Amendment about the “sporting purposes “———————
When do we put a stop to this shit?
Looks like if you’re careful you can still find them for ~650
Oops - link didn’t carry...
Gee who told us about the dangers of the atf in the 90’s? He subsequently was put to death after enacting revenge on what he saw was a hostile fbi atf.
generally recognized as particularly suitable for a readily adaptable to sporting purposes.
For the record...I just re-read the Second Amendment. I don’t find that exception in there...ANYWHERE.
BATFE needs to be eliminated. Defund them.
WOW!!! I got mine brand new for about $600 around 2 years ago. That’s nearly a 50% increase!
Hopefully the accessories won’t start going up too.
It's rapidly getting to that point.
But I think "duty" would fit better, don't you think?
And the sporting test: Practical shooting is not a sport now?
Let me know what you think "everything they think they will need" means exactly.
Benelli M4 import paperwork is being denied as well.
Mike had them for $75 around 12/15/10
Saiga 12s used to be $350 before Obama
My dad’s Winchester Defender 1200 carries 8 rounds, 9 if you load one in the chamber first.
Many great evils arrive with many small steps.
Promag has drums for $90
Evils often arrive with many small steps.
of course those things are needed for sporting purposes, for shooting cans....etc..
My problem is that our money is traveling in the WRONG direction.!!
“Saiga 12 gauge,made by Izhmash in Russia”
I agree with you and I’d love to buy one of these but they only come in full-auto and the feds won’t let me have one!
Any American made versions of these, or are they banned under different regs? Not saying I like these unconstitutional regs, but exploring work-arounds...
The 2nd Amendment is about the violent overthrow of the government. It is not about hunting or thieves( common, not political ).
The 2A is not about stopping thugs, it is about stopping tyrants.
Yeah, I took advantage of that deal! I've always had great experiences purchasing from MD, and their stuff is rock solid!
He makes a quality product.
We’re working on it. Trying to get what we need as quickly as we can.
“I wonder if sport can be extended to hunting liberals?”
I’d be willing if there was an unlimited bag and possession limit...
It listed items on a rife that would cause it to be designated an "Assault Rifle".
This is nothing more than the beginning of the ban on shotguns.
It lists items any one ( 1 ) of which would deny importation.
An example: a flash suppressor or a muzzle brake that also suppresses flash;
Most shotguns made today use screw in choke tubes.
Any screw in choke tube that has ports or is ventilated could easy be designated to be a flash hider.
a light enhancing device;
A Leupold Scope or an Aim Point?
an integrated rail system other than on top of the receiver or barrel;
A Cantilever barrel for your deer hunting slug gun?
an excessive weight of over 10 pounds;
Most 10 ga Side by Side double barrel shotguns weigh between 10 and 12 lbs. BTW many of them are made in Spain.
Death by a thousand paper cuts.
Ban importation, then ban domestic production, then ban possession.
Worry about your Saiga if you like.
BATF wants all your Mossbergs, Remingtons and Winchesters.
No. Hunting anything dumber than a turkey isn't considered "sporting".
If you need one that bad, pay the $200 tax and get one. Myself, I have no desire to be a grey haired mercenary with a full auto weapon. The Mrs. is very handy with her Benelli and I can hold my own with my little S&W or the Mossburg. So I figure we’ve got the house covered OK. The rest of the world can be someone else’s project to be concerned about.
Constitutional Refuseniks(Oathkeepers) Very interesting read & thread
I suppose an e-mail to the effect that “You BATFE thugs are domestic enemies of the Constitution” would win a person an all-expense-paid cruise to Lisbon aboard a Portugese Man o’ War.
And it is MAINLY talking about the thugs in government. Although back in the day, protection from Indians, animals and the bad guy was also a consideration - but a secondary one.
Agreed. And if SCOTUS keeps up their weasel-wording sh*t about 2A, Congress should take 2A issues away from their jurisdiction permanently. Unfortunately, such a move would be statutory only, and could be repealed if the 'Rats/Statists/Stalinists lied their way back into the majority.
Bzzzzzztt! -- Sorry, FRiend, incorrect answer.
They don't like it because you have it.
They have. I checked on one last week.
Didn't feel like applying for a 2nd Mortgage to get it.
As it is they're rarer than a full set of teeth in West Virginia.
(no offense to FReepers from WV)