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Air Traffic Controllers: Two must now be present instead of one at towers.

Posted on 04/14/2011 3:45:12 PM PDT by macquire

I guess that means each of them will get a FOUR HOUR nap instead of just the one guy getting cat naps. Seriously, we doubled the expense and now for sure one will be asleep half the shift...instead of firing the guys that broke the rules.

Typical government decision.


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1 posted on 04/14/2011 3:45:13 PM PDT by macquire
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To: macquire
THIS is how the Obama Administration CUTS SPENDING?!?!?!?!
2 posted on 04/14/2011 3:46:23 PM PDT by ExTxMarine ("Convictions are more dangerous to truth than lies." ~ F. Nietzsche)
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To: macquire

Jobs!


3 posted on 04/14/2011 3:50:10 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: macquire

Distribute meth to ‘em.


4 posted on 04/14/2011 3:52:12 PM PDT by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: macquire

I guess a dead man switch in the tower would have been too complicated.


5 posted on 04/14/2011 3:52:43 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: randog
Don't need two.
One contoler and an 18yo with a .45
A completely different take on the deadman switch.
6 posted on 04/14/2011 3:57:24 PM PDT by Politically Correct (A member of the rabble in good standing)
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To: macquire

Democrats, fake up all this crap, now we can add more democrats voters to the number of government employees. Every little airport in the country just doubled its over head.


7 posted on 04/14/2011 4:02:49 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: randog

A loud horn sounds if a reset switch isn’t flipped every 3 minutes or when a light comes on at random. I think trains use something like that for operators. Much cheaper system than more personnel. Or connect the horn to the radio as the lights at many airports are and have the pilot sound the horn by keying his radio if the tower radio hasn’t been keyed in 2 minutes.


8 posted on 04/14/2011 4:04:47 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: macquire


9 posted on 04/14/2011 4:12:40 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: macquire

The ATC Union probably did this intentionally.


10 posted on 04/14/2011 4:26:14 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Politically Correct

Lmao.... I like the way you think.


11 posted on 04/14/2011 4:34:27 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: macquire
Most ARTCC's man mid-shifts with two controllers working each area's combined sectors. It's easy for one to handle, so it is SOP for them to split the shift....usually both work for 1/2 hour or so, then alternate 3 hour sleep sessions, then both work last 1/2 hour before day shift shows up.

I worked one mid shift per week for 35 years. I left Chicago Center in '82, no sleeping there, but I imagine that has changed as the union got stronger.

Spent 22 years in JAX, was always senior guy on my mids & never allowed sleeping, even though all other areas did. But it did allow guys who thought like me to bid as my mid-partner, it was not a popular bid-line with the union guys.

12 posted on 04/14/2011 4:45:17 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: macquire
Make them work alone as before but with sharpened pencils stuck in their nose holes. Then if they nod off they'll jam the pencils into their brains (and wake up).

Much less expensive solution.

13 posted on 04/14/2011 4:45:23 PM PDT by caddie
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To: caddie

One can sleep half the time..


14 posted on 04/14/2011 4:59:08 PM PDT by Hojczyk
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To: macquire

I think they need at least 3. One to do air traffic control. A second to make sure the first one stays awake. A third to make sure the second one stays awake. Hell, it’s a jobs program. We could employ all of America in the control towers!


15 posted on 04/14/2011 5:22:18 PM PDT by black_diamond
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To: macquire

Just have them wear those behind-the-ear nod-off devices drivers wear that beep or shriek when your head tilts forward.


16 posted on 04/14/2011 6:10:21 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: macquire
It doesn't even make sense to have one man at the controls. Unexpected things can happen. Who takes over when the lone controller has to go to the restroom? Who is there to help if the man or woman has a medical emergency?

Having one person in charge is irresponsible.

17 posted on 04/14/2011 6:32:22 PM PDT by mia
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To: randog

I actually LIKE that idea!

Right or wrong having two people in the tower does not bother me. I travel by air quite a lot and hearing all these mistakes due to complete laziness is a bit concerning.

This is all based on the theory that one will stay awake though.

I am all for hooking them up with “Pulse Monitors” to measure their pulse. Slows down when relaxed or sleeping. Sound an air-horn.

Or meth.


18 posted on 04/14/2011 8:34:12 PM PDT by Snark
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To: org.whodat

I don’t think so. Little airports or Municipal airports “typically” only have controllers during daylight hours (for the most part). After dusk, it’s the pilots job to see who is lined up to land. They key the mike twice to turn on the runway lights.

I worry about JFK, Newark, STL, etc.... These are the big ones that have been having the problem which is inexcusable. That and the fact that airliners have become so automated that you occasionally have a pilot that falls asleep at the “wheel”.


19 posted on 04/14/2011 8:34:18 PM PDT by Snark
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To: macquire

The Law of Unintended Consequences kicks in at 3-2-1....

So up until now smaller regional airports like Reno could afford to have a single ATC on at night. Big centers like LAX and DFW already have multiple on all shifts. So when the towers are REQUIRED to have 2 or more, how long until smaller airports just shot down altogether at night?


20 posted on 04/14/2011 10:11:21 PM PDT by docnakona
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To: ExTxMarine
This needs to be investigated by some ‘good’ reporter - members of my family work for the Federal Aviation admin. IT IS THE AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS UNIONS THAT ARE AN ISSUE. In 30 years, only one person they knew of was fired and that was for failing a drug test. There is a lot to this story and I wish someone would tell it like it is. Seek out retirees of the FAA and one might be shocked at what really goes on. Everyone is afraid at the FAA to speak up against the controllers - they have the power re their Union. The air traffic controllers union protects them from everything...and is now going to be laughing as they get more money and more staffing. If anyone can get this to a good reporter- please do! All one has to do to start is ask how many air traffic controllers have been fired in 30 years?
21 posted on 04/15/2011 8:24:21 AM PDT by Faithfull
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To: macquire

I’m amazed that only one is needed in the tower during a shift. I would have guessed that, after 9/11 at the least, there would be two on duty at all times and probably a shift supervisor to spell one in the event one has to leave their station.

And sleeping? No sleeping on duty for any reason—ever!


22 posted on 04/15/2011 10:55:48 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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