Skip to comments.House to Vote on GOP 2012 Budget (Boehner will assure it becomes another epic fail)
Posted on 04/15/2011 4:31:14 AM PDT by tobyhill
A bold but politically risky plan to cut billions of dollars from the federal budget is coming to a House vote, with insurgent Republicans rallying behind the idea of fundamentally reshaping the government's role in health care for the elderly and the poor.
The GOP plan, expected to be voted on Friday, promises more than $6 trillion in spending cuts from the budget that President Obama offered in February, relying on stiff cuts to domestic agency accounts, food stamps and the Medicaidhealth care program for the poor and disabled.
But while leaving Social Security alone, the measure calls for transforming Medicare from a program in which the government directly pays medical bills into a voucher-like system that subsidizes purchases of private insurance plans. People 55 and over would remain in the current system, but younger workers would receive subsidies that would steadily lose value over time.
Virtually every budget expert in Washington agrees that projected Medicare cost increases are unsustainable, but the GOP initiative -- attacked by Democrats as ending Medicare's guarantee as we know it -- has launched a major-league Washington imbroglio.
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The Decepticon Boehner (DNC/RomneyBOT plant):
When I get done, this will only be half a million dollars.
Isn't that enough?
They are going to raise taxes. Fund Obamacare. Cut Social Security and then tell you they could not help it. The GOP Lies.
I believe that the Ryan budget plan deserves to pass and will pass.
Why doesn’t the ap just cut to the chase and say that republicans want poor children and old people to die in the streets after eating dog food?
The reporting is factually incorrect as well, as Diogenes points out - it’s only a pittance.
No wonder news-reading sheeple don’t have the slightest clue...which, come to think of it - is exactly what they want.
Easier to manipulate the dumbed down doncha know.
The Democrats will scream about the food stamp cuts, but when food stamps/cards are used to buy everything from guns to drugs to prostitutes and their funding consumes two-thirds of the USDA budget, it is high time that this program is reined in. Only the destitute should be fed by the work of others. As the Bible says, “If any would not work, neither should he eat.”
(Boehner will assure it becomes another epic fail)
If he does, the Presidency will be the last of our worries.
Never trust a guy who cries at the drop of a hat, it shows in inner weakness.
Meanwhile, let me get this straight, we expect the Boehner who was afraid to shut the government down, well, about 25% of it anyway, and at the same time make the pResident responsible for not paying the troops, to suddenly decide this line in the sand begins at the Ryan budget and does not retreat. I say no way, he already has his talking points drawn up....well, we got the best deal we could, you know, we only control the house and Weed (sic) said it would be dead on arrival in the senate plus while (.)bama was wee weeing on Ryan the other day he said something about he would veto any such measure too so why not just go along with all the current spending, add a few more dollars to round it off to a nice sounding 2T deficit and we can run on that next cycle and really do something then. The good news, when the place goes BK all these asshats are out of a job and the trustees take over, a REV II, without firing a shot.
Whenever I see a “ten year plan” I know I’m being lied to. They always use that lie when they intend to do nothing this year. WE ARE IN DEBT NOW ! IT needs to be slashed NOW. It can be forced by refusing to pass the debt limit increase. That would get their damn attention!
I hope that finally a lot of the “conservatives” on FR will wake up and quit taking the GOP bait.
14 trillion in debt and 2.6 Trillion coming in every year. Even if they balanced it now and held it there it would take decades of growth to zero out the debt! I feel sorry for anybody holding US debt, they are going to lost it!
I know. Disgusting . Nothing less will get the RATS to move on this. Looks like some RINOS need to be primaried out!
All this snarky, condescending, self righteous sanctimony is disgusting.
The Ryan budget has produced intense fear and loathing. The leverage obtained with passage is immense.
Won’t do any good. The fix is in. Boner is going ahead with Rat help.
Your faith in Boehner is weakening, I know how you feel. The FY11 budget turned out not so great for deficit reduction but it was long overdue for passage.
The question is : what is the purpose of symbolic House votes like this next vote (FY12) and repealing Obama-care that Boehner and we know are going no-place after passage?
My best guess is too use to beat up Democrats for the 2012 election. FNC Fox and Friends showed a poll this morning claiming Obama’s approval rating hit an all time low, I think it was ~ 40%. I found this :
Obama’s job approval rating hits 5-month low President Obama’s approval rating fell to 42%, the lowest mark it has been in 5 months(April 14, 2011)
So the House Republicans political strategy appears to be working. Obama's political 'budget' campaign 'tax the rich' speech intended to get the liberals/progressives to stop complaining about him didnt help his approval rating while Ryan and others played the adults on camera.
The other question what is Boehner really going to accept for the debt limit vote and the FY12 (this budget) votes. The FY12 shutdown date would be October 1 if no deal is reached or CR is passed.
Saw him on cspan yesterday. Looked like he’d been hitting the sauce pretty hard. Several times he seemed to pause to choke back a vomit.
Well, you got me. I was giving the Speaker some slack at first. But I have to admit that he got rolled.
But I don't think that Obama rolled him. I think "Dingy Harry" rolled him. Obama is an empty suit.
I’ve lost so much faith in the House leadership. They know why we sent them there and yet they sell-out. What’s worse is they actively attempt to deceive us, the very people who marched, politicked, fund-raised, phone banked and volunteered all over the place to give them this opportunity.
I don’t care that they have one half of the Hill. Exorcise the ghost of Bill Clinton and shut the government down if you have to. And stop lying to us.
True. Defeatism reigns here.
Ryan's bill is a good one and even if we get half of it we will be on the right track, though I suspect we will get more than half.
I totally agree with what you’ve said, and thank you for posting it.
Has Oboehner surrendered yet? You know he is only 1/2 of 1/3 so he can’t fight.
Pray for America
zactly, we all know that 'cuts' are never written in stone, whereas all the FReebies are perpetual...
i still say the *honest* political plan is to pass funding for Constitutionally mandated items and let the rest simply go unfunded...would reid/bambam deny paying the military ???
the rest is easy-peasy..."we dont have the dollars to spend on pet projects based on controversial *authority*...in a household budget, those would be considered *luxuries* "...
but that would possibly meann that they go back to working in the private sector [or not] in '12, and i dont think many of the pols have that much ambition in life...perpetual power, even if 'less than' the other party, is preferable, especially when theres only so many life boats to go around...
I wanted to give him slack but I’ve seen his “leadership” style way too many times.
That is probably more a political plan that would get Pelosi back as Speaker so she can re-fund it all. If cutting spending was very popular there would be little debate on it(I know I am cynical.)
Remember my idea that they send separate funding bills to the Senate for smaller items one at a time and remove each one from each two week CR so Democrats in effect zero them out if they do nothing?
My other posted idea is if Boehner increases the debt limit for a whole year (> 1 trillion $$) like Democrats did then he deserves scorn. Increase it by 200-300B at a time each with FY12 cuts so it comes up frequently.
These politicians LOVE passing big bill political grandstanding bills that they know have no chance of success. The Defund Obama-care vote is an example. They should have passed a bill that allows any state to completely opt out and requires that each state self fund (no deficits) Obama-care if they stay in.
It really isnt that brave to propose cuts 10 years from now, heck, Obama does that.
Since they ALREADY defunded the IRS part of Obamacare (i.e., the money part) you’re ALREADY wrong. Get sick of you people. Defeatist Vichy French.
BTW : That includes SS, medicare and civil rights act enforcement (certain parts of it anyway.) There lies the political problem for conservatives.
Wanna buy some nice Swampland?
My back is turned to the republican party.
My wallet, and my time, and my effort are open to conservative primary challengers.
i guess Im to a point of belief that if the supposed 'fixers' cant or wont try, we would have commies in '12 that couldnt really hurt anything further, as there would be nothing left anyways...and *if* it made a difference, then let em go ahead and hurry up and implode it so we can start decoratin lamposts...
without real reform, mere peasants like myself are screwed anyways..."S#!t or get off the pot" comes to mind...
Who wrote this garbage?
Lt. Col. Allen West was on Fox after the deal and said it takes five miles to turn an aircraft carrier, and while he would have liked to have seem more, you have to start somewhere. Course, he's a RINO, right?
The issue is direction. For the first time, ever, we are turned in the right direction and talking cuts, not more programs.
But you understand the problem with the constitutional spending argument from a (practical) political standpoint?
If Republicans ever proposed eliminating SS and Medicare in FY12 because it wasn't constitutional many of the Tea Party protesters and members here would rebel and join the Democrats (on that issue). Those that would benefit the most, young people, wouldnt have a clue because they dont even know what their FICA and medicare taxes are for, so they join Democrats IF anything. There lies the political trap that Democrats always pray for Republicans to walk into.
Unlike my many “How they can win ”comments, this one is a “Why we are screwed” comment/reply. That is why I try to think along the lines of the first as much as I do.
i dont have much faith in men to do whats right unless its serious housecleaning mode...
Good Luck in the Gulag. The fix is in. RINOS have joined up with the Rats. Watch and Learn.
Let’s go to freepmail with this :)
Say hello to your friends at DU.
you dont have to cut ss or medicare to balance the budget. so far congress has not offered to defund any pet projects or slush funds supported by both sides of the isle.
I have come to look at as a complicated trade-off between immediate results and longer term results. The longer term results include beating Democrats in elections(spending cuts and tax cuts can be reversed by Democrats), but also what were the longer term effects of what their (Republican) policies are. By Bush's second term we could tell things were going badly, certainly his 6th year.
It is not easy, you and I (and anyone) will not completely agree on what we think is right down to the detail levels anyway. Nor will we completely agree on how to interpret results.
If we go too easy on Republicans they will turn into Democrats, if we go too hard on them they will be replaced by Democrats who can cause even more problems.
At the end of Bush years things were a mess, Republicans were disliked and untrusted, and Democrats were looked on as a blank slate by many voters. Electing a RINO like McCain with a Dem congress would have just made that disaster EVEN worse. Now if Republicans were going to get >70 Senate seats and >450 house seats then a RINO McCain couldnt do much damage.
Nice bias AP, calling the democratically elected majority ‘insurgent’.
Also the “fundamentally reshaping the government’s role in health care for the elderly and the poor” is a misnomer. FY2012 doesnt really change much.
Still, I think the GOP is blowing on 2 levels:
1. THEY DONT CUT ENOUGH NOW.
2. They have thrown in a very long-term entitlement fix - WITHOUT ENSURING THAT WE FIRST ABOLISH OBAMACARE.
One thing at a time, and now politically they have gotten the Democrats off the hook ,who can now run against “GOP wants to kill medicare”.
Big mistake. Good policy, but bad politics.
The nutty remarks from a cloud walker, you need to do contract work for nasa, they have no one working for them on cloud nine.
Dumbing down of America. It has been going on for a terrible long time.