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Jack the Ripper's identity finally uncovered?
Telegraph.Co.Uk ^ | Saturday April 16 2011

Posted on 04/16/2011 9:17:07 AM PDT by Beowulf9

An historian has claimed to have discovered the real identity of Jack the Ripper, and believes the notorious Whitechapel murderer was also responsible for killing two more women.

Mei Trow used modern police forensic techniques, including psychological and geographical profiling, to identify Robert Mann, a morgue attendant, as the killer.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jacktheripper; london; whitechapel
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Another Jack the Ripper murder theory, but an interesting one.
1 posted on 04/16/2011 9:17:15 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9

I think we get one of these about every 6 months, don’t we?


2 posted on 04/16/2011 9:21:29 AM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: FrogMom

“I think we get one of these about every 6 months, don’t we?”

Yes, this particular one appeared Oct. 5, 2009. It’s old news.


3 posted on 04/16/2011 9:24:46 AM PDT by DrC
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To: FrogMom

At least....

Of course speculation on just who Ol’ Saucy Jack was is as big of a cottage industry as the JFK assassination.

(Personally, my money’s on Montague Druitt....)


4 posted on 04/16/2011 9:24:47 AM PDT by Emperor Palpatine (Tosca, mi fai dimenticare Iddio!!!)
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To: Beowulf9

I watched a TV show many years ago in which they had a bunch of top detectives listen to everything which is known about the case.

I recall they had an agent from Interpol, one from the FBI etc.

After presenting all the evidence they had each one vote in secret who they thought it was.

Every single one of them voted for the Polish Butcher. Several suspects such as Queen Victoria’s Son were dismissed as absolutely impossible.


5 posted on 04/16/2011 9:26:08 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: FrogMom

I just bought my mother the Mariott book. Theory being he went from Whitechapel to NY, it’s true, a merchant marine did this and there were a couple of murders in NY similiar to Jack’s handiwork. He got the chair, (heheh, NY in the 1900s!)

Trevor Marriott, a retired detective thinks Jack the Ripper was a German merchant sailor Carl Feigenbaum.

http://www.theweeklyconstitutional.com/entertainment/sportslesiure/822-the-true-identity-of-jack-the-ripper-revealed


6 posted on 04/16/2011 9:27:40 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: Beowulf9
I saw a show on Discovery about a year or so ago which profiled several investigators, each with a different idea about who they believe “the Ripper” to be. This guy was one of them. According to this investigator's research, Mann was even questioned during a (what is now called) Coroner's Inquest but was dismissed when he did not likely present as a viables suspect. One also believed that the Ripper was an American by the name of Francis Tumblety. I would not say any of the profiles were any more convincing than the others.

I don't think the identify of the Ripper will ever be conclusively found. Both him (assuming it was a man) and everyone else living during that time are long dead and forensics and investigative science were primitive to say the least back then compared to now. This is the Mother of all Cold Cases! All the investigators profiled did agree on one thing, however, and that was given the current state of forensic and investigative science it is extremely unlikely the Ripper would have escaped justice had the Whitechapel murders occurred today.

7 posted on 04/16/2011 9:31:37 AM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Beowulf9

There are so many Masonic symbols found in/around the murders (including the manner of dismemberment) that whoever did it was obviously a Mason.

The Polish butcher was not a Mason.

I believe there are quite a few of the suspects who were Masons.

Also, the Police Commissioner was a Mason, so this may explain why evidence, like the handwriting on the wall, was destroyed.


8 posted on 04/16/2011 9:34:07 AM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Beowulf9

When are they going to claim he was a member of the Tea Party?


9 posted on 04/16/2011 9:38:42 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: Beowulf9
The accompanying book, Jack the Ripper: Quest for a Killer, is published by Pen & Sword.

Well, that's an appropriate publisher.

10 posted on 04/16/2011 9:39:59 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Beowulf9
Just a few miles from my house ... "Jack the Ripper Suspect's Grave"I've seen Tumuelty's grave - it's very close to Col. Patrick O'Rorke's, who died at Gettysburg.

11 posted on 04/16/2011 9:41:04 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Beowulf9
If alive today he would be convicted of Mannsalughter! Of course NOW would rather the PC term of PersonSlaughter be applied.

(PSST.... Silly Saturday and your taxes are due Monday)

12 posted on 04/16/2011 9:43:28 AM PDT by Young Werther ("Quae cum ita sunt" Since these things are so!)
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To: oh8eleven
He is buried with his family in Riverside Cemetery
Now that I've read what I copied and pasted I see it's technically wrong.
Both are buried in the old section of the Catholic cemetery - Holy Sepulchre, which is surrounded on three sides by Riverside Cemetery.
13 posted on 04/16/2011 9:45:30 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: BereanBrain

I have to say, in 1986, years before Patricia Cornwell claimed to have solved the ripper murders, Stephen Knight put out a book with the same theory, called Jack the Ripper, the Final Solution.

Claiming of course it was Walter Sickert the artist, whom I’ve read was out of the country for the murders most of the time and his last painting, which looked like Mary Jane Kelly, could’ve copied the pictures released in the newspaper prior to his painting being done.


14 posted on 04/16/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: stylecouncilor

Ripper ping


15 posted on 04/16/2011 9:52:20 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: Beowulf9

Robert Mann


16 posted on 04/16/2011 9:53:07 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: BereanBrain; NWFLConservative

A while back I took a personal tour of the Black Museum in New Scotland Yard.

The curator has case notes and an interesting book published shortly after the retirement of (and I forget) one of the leading supervisors on the case. In the margin of the page that starts the chapter on the Ripper, in hand-written script in pencil, you can clearly read the “final chapter” (actually, a couple of paragraphs) that identify Aaron Kosminski as the Ripper and offers up proof.

When asked why he has not released this book and proof, the curator stated he has done so with various authors, but as he said, while the authors found the proof of the Rippers identity compelling and certainly close the case, it would hurt other books that they are writing. Why end a good run on a great conspiracy?

There are reasons the police did not arrest the Ripper, and it had to do with a number of things:

1) A Jew found to be the culprit would inflame already passionate anti-Jewish hostility in London and in Europe, and the commissioner at the time, under pressure from the politicians at the time, did not want to go there.

2) The Ripper was sent to a sanitarium where he was watched closely and upon his release into the custody of his brother, lived a quiet life of no further crime — he was watched constantly until he died.

3) There are surviving relatives and they are aware of the infamy of their ancestor and do not grant permission to release the record.

4) And finally, the museum is for learning not for voyeuristic purposes, and therefore will not release to the general public, as all the items in the Black Museum are officially evidence and held as such.


17 posted on 04/16/2011 9:58:34 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Beowulf9

Saw this on History Channel, last summer or fall. Pretty good theory.


18 posted on 04/16/2011 10:02:25 AM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Beowulf9
Patricia Cornwell's book, Portrait of a Killer, links Jack the Ripper to Walter Sickert with DNA evidence.
19 posted on 04/16/2011 10:03:28 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: BereanBrain

Oh don’t even get me started on this either...


20 posted on 04/16/2011 10:04:21 AM PDT by gman992
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To: NWFLConservative

Certainly who ever ‘’Jack the Ripper’’ was will never truly be known but certainly he/she must’ve have been someone who was able to move freely about London’s East End. Someone who would have blended in with the lower-class elements and would not have stood out or attracted attention. England was still very much a class-ridden society and surely someone of the upper-classes, dressed in fine clothes and looking prosperous would have certainly attracted attention and would have be avoided by the denizens of White Chapel.


21 posted on 04/16/2011 10:06:28 AM PDT by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: theDentist; Beowulf9; BereanBrain

Please see Post 17 for additional information.


22 posted on 04/16/2011 10:07:16 AM PDT by Hulka
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To: Beowulf9

It was George W. Bush who did it! It’s my theory, and I’m sticking with it!


23 posted on 04/16/2011 10:14:59 AM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (If leftist legislation that's already in place really can't be ended by non-leftists, then what?)
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To: yarddog

Was it a multi-day series of shows? Late 70s probably is the one I’m thinking of . . . for some reason I keep thinking Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman before or after so that’s the time frame I’m remembering. Wasn’t too bad of a program, especially for those times before Discovery, cable etc which today would do something like that.


24 posted on 04/16/2011 10:20:06 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat ("Celebrate 'Civility'")
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To: BereanBrain
Well, that diddn't take long. Only 8 posts before we got to those evil, devil worshipping Masons.
25 posted on 04/16/2011 10:21:07 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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To: Beowulf9

I figured it was the butler.


26 posted on 04/16/2011 10:22:01 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I actually can’t recall much about the show. It might have been multi day but I don’t think so.


27 posted on 04/16/2011 10:26:48 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: Hulka
The "Swanson Marginalia", known about since 1987.

Not considered "compelling" because the details about the suspect, whether given by Anderson or Swanson are a very poor match to Aaron Kosminski.

Anderson and the Swanson Marginalia

28 posted on 04/16/2011 10:35:42 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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To: oh8eleven

Boy, I envy you being there and being able to see Whitechapel itself. Ever been over there? Is it still called Whitechapel?


29 posted on 04/16/2011 11:11:25 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: oh8eleven

Oops, I see it’s in the US. So where is this cemetary? Rochester or Gettysburgh?

Would like to see it myself.


30 posted on 04/16/2011 11:14:57 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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31 posted on 04/16/2011 11:25:33 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Oztrich Boy

Compelling because of the handwritten contemporaneous notes in the margin. Had facts and info not well known and certainly overlooked by many.

I will take the evidence as it stands along with the curators testimony (as he examined the evidence).

Can’t get any closer to the truth than the Black Museum.


32 posted on 04/16/2011 12:10:02 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: jmacusa

There is no shortage of suspects.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_the_Ripper_suspects


33 posted on 04/16/2011 12:40:51 PM PDT by NWFLConservative
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To: Beowulf9
Many years ago, I tried to read everything I could get my hands on about Jack the Ripper. I've also regularly downloaded the Ripper programs that have periodically aired on UK TV, and am always fascinated by the deductions made by the various investigators. Back in 2006, I traveled to London for a bus tour of the British Isles, and had a week to myself before the tour left. One of the things I had on my "to do" list was to take the walking Jack the Ripper tour that departs from Tower Hill at night. It was interesting despite the fact that most of the murder sites have changed so much over the years. On the tour I met a nice couple from Springfield, Mass. who were Kennedy haters like myself. If anyone gets to take the Ripper tour, I highly recommend the one with Donald Rumbelow:

Ripper Walk

34 posted on 04/16/2011 12:48:12 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Hulka
Compelling because of the handwritten contemporaneous notes in the margin

But they weren't contemporaneous. They had to be at least 22 years after the events.

There are at least half a dozen earlier accounts clearly refering to Montague John Druitt (whose name did not become public until the 1950s). The earliest in January 1889, when the head of the Whitechapel Vigilance Committee raised concern about police patrols in Whitechapel being reduced and was told "off the record, The Ripper is dead"

35 posted on 04/16/2011 12:52:58 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (Radioactive plume to hit USA. President Obama and family fly to Brazil)
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To: Larry Lucido
It was David Warner from "Time After Time" who escaped into the future (1979)
36 posted on 04/16/2011 12:59:06 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop

Loved that movie!


37 posted on 04/16/2011 1:10:56 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: Beowulf9

I thought it was Mack the Knife?


38 posted on 04/16/2011 1:27:35 PM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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To: murron

What amazes me is how shocking and scarey jack the ripper’s crimes were to society. Look at us now.


39 posted on 04/16/2011 2:05:42 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Beowulf9
Robert Mann


40 posted on 04/16/2011 2:11:33 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Beowulf9
I prefer the theory that Jack was
actually the Lock Ness Monster.


41 posted on 04/16/2011 2:13:00 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Beowulf9
I see it’s in the US. So where is this cemetary? Rochester or Gettysburgh?
Rochester, NY.
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Frederick Douglass is buried in another cemetery - Mt Hope.

42 posted on 04/16/2011 4:31:29 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Oztrich Boy

That’s the point, the notes in the margin that I saw, and as related by the curator, the notes were contemporaneous. . .as in written in the margins at the time the book was published. Perhaps I could have been more clear.

Nonetheless, the Black Museum has other evidence not shared publicly and the Black Museum has shared its evidence with various writers. They simply choose to perpetuate the myth.

Now, I have been there, I saw the evidence in the museum. I choose to believe my own eyes and the expert testimony of the curator at the time of my visit, as opposed to some writer looking for book sales.


43 posted on 04/16/2011 4:41:56 PM PDT by Hulka
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To: clearcarbon

That’s a good one—from “Amazon Women on the Moon.” In this latest installment of “Bullsh*t”


44 posted on 04/16/2011 6:47:32 PM PDT by gman992
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To: Beowulf9

Obama?


45 posted on 04/16/2011 6:50:37 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: navyblue

Ok, so go ahead and admit that you are a Mason.


46 posted on 04/24/2011 9:39:29 PM PDT by BereanBrain
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Whoever did it was a great, great, great something of Sarah Palin.


47 posted on 04/24/2011 9:47:37 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: FrogMom

Yep. I want DNA proof anyway. Do they even know where his body is interred?


48 posted on 04/24/2011 9:55:28 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I love BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: BunnySlippers

No, he disappeared. There were some similar murders in NY City some months later, it’s rumored he left London and continued his spree in NYC. But of course, that’s never been proven, either.


49 posted on 04/24/2011 10:39:20 PM PDT by FrogMom (There is no such thing as an honest democrat!)
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To: BereanBrain

“Ok, so go ahead and admit that you are a Mason.”

I have not problem admitting that. Do you? Don’t bother replying. Obviously you do.


50 posted on 04/25/2011 10:55:12 AM PDT by navyblue (<u>)
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