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***"Atlas Shrugged" An Honest Freeper Review***
Stardate: 1104.17

Posted on 04/17/2011 3:02:59 AM PDT by The Wizard

There were only adults in the theater where I saw this film.....that by itself should tell you a lot.....serious folks who get the message and will come out to see things that tell the truth.

This movie will help Sarah, because it shows what a strong woman can do (railroad magnate Dagny Taggart in this film..just like "Secretariat" and Miss Penny) our heroine in "Atlas Shrugged" is a woman who will not be pushed around by men in the old boy's club....

And she is not afraid of men or against men, she is against being told to "shut up and sit down".....now to the film:

EVERYONE in America needs to see this film, because it shows frankly how the media, government, (who clearly is the villain, among others it works with and for) and those in the private sector, who are their friends (portrayed by a young George Soros type) work against everything America holds dear, and it shows how they conspire together, with each group doing it's part to hold on to their collective power...make no mistake, it isn't just government, that is just the tool they use, (like the EPA, FCC, etc.) to do their bidding while a compliant media assists in keeping the people uninformed whenever needed....

They care not for innovation, progress and the better life for all Americans and by extension the world....they care about their fiefdom and their power exclusively......

Because this is part 1 of three, we do not get the satisfaction of seeing of the wrongs being righted; but rest assured my good Freeper friends: If Sarah Palin isn't elected, you will have no need for parts 2 and 3, because you will have seen where we are, and where they are going to keep us.........


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To: chimera
I understand your pessimism, chimera.

Fortunately, I live in Texas. I went to see Atlas Shrugged two nights ago. There were over 200 people in the theatre, and I saw at least a dozen under the age of 21.

I took my wife and two sons (21 & 9). I was a bit surprised, because I had absolutely gone Shrugged crazy in the weeks leading up to the flick:

I bought several shirts bearing Atlas themes: Galt's Gulch, Akston's Diner, Danneskjold Repossessions.

For my wife and daughter, I gave them a "Liberty Bracelet" forged from Rearden Metal.

For my 7 MO grandson, a onesie that says "I 'heart' Dagny". After seeing the movie, I'm looking for an adult T-shirt with the same expression.

We all loved the movie. My oldest son is taking his girlfriend to see the movie.

The ending of Part I was brilliant, perfectly capturing Dagny's anguish upon viewing the enormity of Wyatt's Torch.

51 posted on 04/17/2011 8:29:21 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (If Dick Cheney = Darth Vader, then Joe Biden = Dark Helmet)
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To: blackie
I don't want a vehicle that gets 100 MPG.
The 15 MPG I get in my ‘01 Ford F150 SVT Lightning
with its 450HP supercharged engine is perfect!

I've owned many Pickups, the F-150 series is Classic
I also have a Piaggio 250cc Scooter ~70-80 mpg

The Choices we make are an amalgam of
Economics, Availability, Suitability, and Personal Taste
I suspect that, if it were available economically
you would consider a 100 mpg truck over a 15 mpg one

Or not, your Choice
What the Socialists/Communists/Progressives
do is to limit Choice

Not necessarily Liberals, per se’
Classic Liberals just see the Choices... Differently

Statists are the True Enemies
They Kill Choice

52 posted on 04/17/2011 8:42:38 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: The Wizard
Saw the movie yesterday. Really liked it, though I had some problems with certain things. I got goosebumps during the Galt Line run, but it could have been so much better (a scene with the men bypassing union orders and showing up at Dagny's office to volunteer for the first run, tons of people lining the tracks as the train went by). Loved the actor playing Rearden, Lillian was spot-on perfect. Took me a while to warm up to Dagny and see her grit, but about halfway through it started to show up. I really wish there had been more of Francisco, even though I think the actor looked more like the head of a Columbian drug cartel than the elegant and intelligent Francisco d'Andonia of the book. I didn't like his look, but his delivery was okay... would be interested to see his version of the "money speech."

I do not understand this complaint about drinking (which originated in Roger Ebert's review, BTW). I didn't even notice it. I noticed maybe three swear words, the most apparent being Dagny throwing the word "bullsh**" towards her brother, James. I did leave the movie thinking it was nice to see a film for a change and not be cringing at the word F***! being said every sentence. In fact, it wasn't used a single time. I would definitely take my 70-year-old mom to see it.

Ebert also made a lot of snide remarks about the love scene, saying it was "shot from the ears up" and that Grant Bowler never even took his shirt off. Not true. Big lie, in fact. And just because we didn't have a camera angle up someone's orifice didn't take anything away from the scene. But I guess that's what Ebert likes, and no surprise. I did have a problem with the scene; it did seem like a casual fling rather than an expression of the intense spiritual importance it had in the book. I do think that Grant Bowler should do the entire Part 2 with his shirt off. That would make me very happy. :-)

I made three attempts to see the film. First was Friday night, when I already had a ticket, couldn't leave work on time and drove down to Tempe only to get hung up in traffic, so I bagged it. Second attempt was with two friends - this time we took Janet Napolitano's $3 billion toy train down to Tempe. (The Tillman run was going on and I didn't want to even attempt to deal with parking near Mill Ave.) We got there for the 1:30 and it was sold out. So I bought a 4:00 ticket. My friends couldn't stick around that long, so they left and I saw the 4 pm show myself. I will say there were quite a few disappointed college kids who were turned away at the 1:30 showing. The 4:00 was a much older crowd. More like a Tea party rally. And when I showed up at 4, there was a small, disappointed gathering standing outside and I heard someone say the 4:00 was sold out as well. I did hear the theater manager come outside to talk to people and tell them the movie would only be showing in Tempe for one week, so make sure you go see it while you can.

53 posted on 04/17/2011 8:45:25 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: ponygirl

urp... d’Anconia, not d’Andonia


54 posted on 04/17/2011 8:53:24 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: HangnJudge

I agree with most of what you wrote, I don’t consider a motor scooter a vehicle. :) I’ve owned over 20 motorcycles over the years, I’m 80 years old and still own a motorcycle.

I don’t think they will ever make a Ford F150 that gets 100MPG and have the same performance as the one I have...the howl of the supercharger, when you nail it, says it all!!


55 posted on 04/17/2011 9:05:33 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: blackie
I don’t consider a motor scooter a vehicle. :)
I’ve owned over 20 motorcycles over the years,
I’m 80 years old and still own a motorcycle.

Cewl...
are you a member of the COBB Society yet?
http://www.cobbsociety.com/


56 posted on 04/17/2011 9:17:23 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Dead Corpse
"The United States IS Galt's Gulch. We were the place others ran to to get away from tyranny of both the body, and the mind.

Now we have become what we once hated and there is no where else to run to."


Your post is going to be stuck in my head for a very long time.
57 posted on 04/17/2011 9:23:29 AM PDT by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: HangnJudge

No I’m not, I’ll check it out...thanks!!


58 posted on 04/17/2011 9:28:40 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: saganite

Back in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s I read Ayn Rand’s stuff. I found it puerile.

“Galt’s Gulch” would immediately attacked by the US Army. You think not? You think they could successfully hide? Do you think that the existing “powers that be” would hesitate a second, a millisecond, to kill some or all seeking shelter there?

Get real. The world is not about wealth, about freedom, or about a high standard of living. The world is most certainly not about justice. The world is about Power. And Power, as Mao pointed out, comes from the muzzle of a gun. Power is killing.


59 posted on 04/17/2011 9:50:15 AM PDT by Iris7 ("Do not live lies!" ...Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)
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To: The Wizard

Wasn’t Ayn Rand an Atheist? If so, why should we Christians and Jews put any stock in the beliefs of a person who says there is no God?


60 posted on 04/17/2011 9:59:11 AM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: sand lake bar

thank you for your support...I was young then too, and just like many, did some things right and some wrong....I was blessed to learn the difference....but there was no one but me responsible....not my folks, not the government, not my school, not my friends, not drugs, not sex, nothing....and each of them played a role in my life.....

You have to learn to choose the right things in situations, and it ain’t always easy, and no one ever said it would be, but the idea is to learn from your mistakes and not repeat them......too often


61 posted on 04/17/2011 10:05:00 AM PDT by The Wizard (Madam President is my President now, and in the future)
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To: blackie
No I’m not, I’ll check it out...thanks!!

I think it is... inactive at present


62 posted on 04/17/2011 11:57:23 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: Ronald_Magnus
Wasn’t Ayn Rand an Atheist? If so, why should we Christians and Jews put any stock in the beliefs of a person who says there is no God?

She was an atheist and many on this forum will have nothing to do with her because of that. Surprisingly though, most do and the reason is, IMHO, the shared or at least broad overlap in common moral and cultural values.

Many good Christians simply cannot accept Rand's rather loose sexual behavior, both personally and with her fictional characters, and I think that colors their view of her fundamental philosophy. Many hard cord Rand fans cannot accept the 'Love Your Neighbor as Yourself' concepts of Christianity and that too colors their ability to see the moral overlap. My answer to that is that you should study the interaction of Rand Libertarians and good Christian people. You will not see conflict in practice. Try the same thing with Libertarians and Muslims and you have war. For the latter case there are huge moral and even larger cultural differences that simply cannot be reconciled. But fortunately for most of us that conflict doesn't really exist between Rand Libertarians and Christians.

That's too bad but I really don't see it changing. People get stuck in their belief systems and it's tough to nudge them in new directions.

The 100% My Way or the Highway Christians and the 100% My Way or the Highway Rand Libertarians are definitely in the un-nudgeable group but most Freepers manage to keep their bible and their copy of Atlas Shrugged piled neatly beside their bed without risking loss of sleep.

Of course your mileage may vary but this is my real life experience with this issue.

63 posted on 04/17/2011 12:09:07 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: chimera
I'm around these "shallow and thoughtless" kids five days a week, 2/3 of the year, every year. They ain't shallow, and they ain't thoughtless. They are CYNICAL if anything. They are waiting for leadership. I do not know why they don't like Palin---I suspect it's in part because of her Paris Hilton-style celebrity---but other than her, they are attracted to people who lead. Yes, they will watch the Osbournes on TV, but that's not really who they listen to.

Virtually all of my Republican students greatly admire Reagan---even before I get to him in my classes. They've all come in with arguments on both sides of the environment and taxes. They often offer new arguments and counterarguments I don't here. Some of them even produce research I haven't seen.

NEVER underestimate youth. We have ceded the entertainment medium precisely because we keep thinking they don't know what they are doing. Wrong. They want to be convinced.

64 posted on 04/17/2011 1:31:59 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: The Wizard
No, I expect an honest review. But I also think it's telling. It's what I see with Palin: her biggest supporters are women, 45-60, perhaps some men, but never kids 18-35. There has to be a reason for that, and rather than curse the darkeness, I suggest we find out what it is and address it.

There has to be a reason why the book that has captivated generations has not translated into a movie that will draw in young people in large numbers like, say "Twilight."

65 posted on 04/17/2011 1:35:09 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: LS
There has to be a reason why the book that has captivated generations has not translated into a movie that will draw in young people in large numbers like, say "Twilight."

No special effects. No aliens. No escapism. No sex. It's a drama, not a fantasy. Nor is there a hot new band.

Regrettably, as a group, our 18-35 demographic is terribly shallow and uneducated. And they're incapable of reading anything beyond comic books.

66 posted on 04/17/2011 1:41:35 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: Iris7

Well, they have a place for you in China, or Saudi Arabia, or Zimbabwe. I suggest you apply for Immigrant status. Any of them will suit your outlook although China might assimilate you more readily than the other’s.


67 posted on 04/17/2011 1:50:57 PM PDT by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: LS
I'm around these "shallow and thoughtless" kids five days a week, 2/3 of the year, every year. They ain't shallow, and they ain't thoughtless.

I just caught up with your #64, where you refute everything I asserted in #66.

You evidently have the benefit of an involved segment who are truly interested in history and...things.

My experience as an adjunct at a state univerity was a little different. I had a class of obviously bright upper division students, eager to learn, anxious to pursue a career in advertising, public relations or the media. I didn't see a problem with native intelligence or motivation.

Problem was, only four out of forty could do long division. And only four out of forty could compose a coherent paragraph.

I'm not blaming the kids themselves. I'm blaming the way they were taught (or weren't taught). I'll stand on "uneducated"...

68 posted on 04/17/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: HangnJudge

Thanks again, the title fits me to a tee... ;);)


69 posted on 04/17/2011 2:05:00 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: InterceptPoint

Thanks for that thoughtful answer.


70 posted on 04/17/2011 2:26:48 PM PDT by Ronald_Magnus
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To: LS
You are a university teacher, as I am, so we see a somewhat different subset of the overall youth culture. I see mostly engineering students, although I have done work with a broader range of students in various colloquia and honors projects. I see a lot of cynicism, and also shallowness, and more than a mildly disturbing amount of intellectual laziness.

Still, what I see in the popular media, filtered as I know it is, disturbs me greatly concerning how critically a lot of young people look at current leadership. Obama seems almost cult-like, almost Godlike, to a sizable number of young people. I ask them why is it they are attracted to him, and I get answers such as "I like him", or "he gives inspiring speeches", or "he is concerned about us". When pressed for specifics, they can elaborate on nothing.

The last time I spoke to high school students about energy issues, I got a surprising amount of push-back for implying criticism of Obama's energy policies. The main objection seemed to be that I was being "unfair". When I asked for specifics, I got none, other than general platitudes. Anecdotal, yes, but still disturbing.

71 posted on 04/17/2011 2:35:37 PM PDT by chimera
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To: okie01

Well, I disagree. I’ve taught every grade from 7th up; Pima Indians and migrant farm workers; top of the line elite kids, and most recently at an upper middle class private Catholic school, certainly not in the top 50 American colleges overall. I don’t think they’re as dense as you think; and they know a helluva lot more than you think-—just not in the ways you think they “should” know it. They don’t read books. They absorb TONS online, and through linkage. So it’s an unwinnable debate on either side, but I’m telling you, it’s a mistake to underestimate them. And if we don’t reach them, we’re finished anyway. The future is NOT 60 year old geezers.


72 posted on 04/17/2011 7:44:11 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: The Wizard

I liked it. In a way I am glad they didn’t use actors I did not recognize. There were only seasoned citizens in the showing I was in.

Ranking of films I have seen this year:
1. Atlas Shrugged, Part 1
2. Limitless
3. Sucker Punch
4. Soul Surfer
5. Rio
6. Arthur

Any idea when the other parts are coming out?


73 posted on 04/24/2011 6:15:02 PM PDT by archivist007
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