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Brewer vetoes birther, campus gun bills
Tuscon Sentinel ^ | April 18, 2011 | Dylan Smith

Posted on 04/18/2011 6:15:48 PM PDT by RBW in PA

Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a bill Monday that would have required presidential candidates to provide their birth certificates to appear on the ballot, and another that would have allowed guns to be carried on school grounds.

(Excerpt) Read more at tucsonsentinel.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: arizona; birthcertificate; brewer; certifigate; janbrewer; janbrewerbirtherbill; janbrewerveto; naturalborncitizen; obama; rino; veto
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What's wrong with her?
1 posted on 04/18/2011 6:15:55 PM PDT by RBW in PA
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To: RBW in PA

Wait, wut?


2 posted on 04/18/2011 6:16:39 PM PDT by GnL
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To: RBW in PA

Eric “My People” Holder has his boot on her.


3 posted on 04/18/2011 6:18:26 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: RBW in PA

Who got to her?


4 posted on 04/18/2011 6:19:27 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: RBW in PA

Say what?!?!


5 posted on 04/18/2011 6:20:08 PM PDT by RC one (Donald Trump-I'm listening.)
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To: Army Air Corps

I’m praying for strength ...


6 posted on 04/18/2011 6:20:16 PM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: RBW in PA

The sound of balls hitting the floor.

A terrible sound. Once they are gone ,Never to be regained.


7 posted on 04/18/2011 6:20:46 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: RBW in PA

Before you get your panties in a wad; she didn’t want the Sec of State to have all the power in deciding elections. Remember Soros?


8 posted on 04/18/2011 6:20:57 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: RBW in PA

Ok...she’s done...


9 posted on 04/18/2011 6:21:24 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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10 posted on 04/18/2011 6:21:34 PM PDT by DeoVindiceSicSemperTyrannis (Want to make $$$? It's easy! Use FR as a platform to pimp your blog for hits!!!)
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To: RBW in PA

I’d be interested to hear if she had any statement issued with the vetoes. Last I heard, the Birth Certificate bill was watered down to require a “Certificate of Live Birth”, and not a long form birth certificate. If that’s true, she did the right thing to veto it, and say “Send it back to me requiring a real birth certificate.”


11 posted on 04/18/2011 6:22:29 PM PDT by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: Venturer

and she just gave a dumb reason for the birth certificate issue....that was a no brainer as the Constitution demands it already. She is the idiot I always believed her to be...


12 posted on 04/18/2011 6:22:35 PM PDT by imfrmdixie (A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. Eisenhower)
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To: RBW in PA

“In addition, I never imagined being presented with a bill that could require candidates for President (sic) of the greatest and most powerful nation on earth to submit their “early baptismal or circumcision certificates” among other records to the Arizona Secretary of State. This is a bridge too far,” Brewer wrote.”

This is apples and oranges. WTH is going on with Brewer?


13 posted on 04/18/2011 6:23:05 PM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: butterdezillion

Excerpt from Tucson Sentinel:

“”As a former Secretary of State (sic), I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to artibrary or politically-motivated decisions,” Brewer wrote in her veto message to House Speaker Kirk Adams.”

She vetoed that bill. What do you think of her reason - too much authority for the SofS?


14 posted on 04/18/2011 6:23:42 PM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: OKSooner

Go to the link - she did leave comments attached with her vetoes.


15 posted on 04/18/2011 6:24:06 PM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: freekitty
Before you get your panties in a wad; she didn’t want the Sec of State to have all the power in deciding elections...

And the better idea is what?

16 posted on 04/18/2011 6:24:50 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: RBW in PA

I want to vomit! Who would have thought that Jan Brewer was nothing but a weak Janet Napolitano wannabe. What the hell is wrong with this country?


17 posted on 04/18/2011 6:25:04 PM PDT by RobertClark (On a long enough timeline the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.)
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To: MountainWoman
She's keeping her hands clean for court appearances.

On the other hand the folks behind the bills have a supermajority sufficient to pass the bills without her assent (or so I've heard on FR this very day).

18 posted on 04/18/2011 6:25:34 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: freekitty

This actually gives more power to the Sec’t of State as there has to be no actual proof offered of qualifications...exactly why people are disturbed over this situation with Obama.


19 posted on 04/18/2011 6:25:37 PM PDT by imfrmdixie (A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. Eisenhower)
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To: RBW in PA

20 posted on 04/18/2011 6:26:42 PM PDT by South40 (Evil is powerless if the good are unafraid. ~Ronald Reagan)
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For Brewer to veto a Constitutional requirement which requires presidential candidates to be a result of a Natural Born birth and can be confirmed by a birth certificate, states very clearly to me that, QUOTE The FIX is in UNQUOTE.

Pressure from LEFTists in the MEDIA and George Soros' empire have decided, according to them, that Oblahblah will get his second term.

21 posted on 04/18/2011 6:26:49 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: MountainWoman

WTH is going on with Brewer?
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

She’s been talking to Karl Rove.


22 posted on 04/18/2011 6:28:00 PM PDT by wintertime
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To: RBW in PA
"As a former Secretary of State (sic), I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to artibrary or politically-motivated decisions," Brewer wrote in her veto message to House Speaker Kirk Adams

Now this doesn't make sense.

So what you're telling us Brewer that an obvious foreigner can get on the state presidential ballot? If not, then the SoS is a gate keeper. If the answer is yes that the Secretary of State would keep an obvious foreigner off the state ballots then you do have standards. What you're really saying governor that you are against any higher standards? Or there is not any state ballot standards and you want to keep it that way.

23 posted on 04/18/2011 6:29:09 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: MountainWoman

They did go too far if they were asking for circumcision and baptismal certificates in addition to birth certificates.


24 posted on 04/18/2011 6:29:36 PM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: max americana
Who got to her? Yep. Same with courts, justice officials, party leadership, journalists, and managing editors of newspapers.

All the sudden a mortar round of kinetic energy on the subject just drops right off the scope. Again, and again, and again................

25 posted on 04/18/2011 6:30:10 PM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: RBW in PA
Maybe if you all READ the reasons, you'd think differently instead of being KNEEJERKS.

"As a former Secretary of State (sic), I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to artibrary or politically-motivated decisions," Brewer wrote in her veto message to House Speaker Kirk Adams."

"Bills impacting our Second Amendment rights have to be crystal clear so that gun owners don't become lawbreakers by accident," she wrote in her veto message to Senate President Russell Pearce. The bill didn't define the "public right of way" where weapons could be carried on school campuses, and included K-12 schools where firearms are prohibited by federal law, Brewer wrote. While the bill was "widely advertised" as applying to colleges and universities, it expressly superceded a law that allows school districts to enforce prohibitions against weapons on school grounds, she wrote"

27 posted on 04/18/2011 6:32:08 PM PDT by Wizdum (Wisdom is what you gain when things go wrong.)
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To: wintertime

If the AZ Senate and House vote the same way, there was enough votes to override Brewer’s veto.


28 posted on 04/18/2011 6:34:06 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: RBW in PA

Calm down people. Wait til the whole story is available.

FRer’s are just a little too quick on the draw these days. Hmmm


29 posted on 04/18/2011 6:34:29 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: OKSooner

No, the bill asked for a birth certificate.


30 posted on 04/18/2011 6:35:20 PM PDT by ironman
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To: muawiyah

So I guess the question is, will they us the super majority to pass them?? I’m curious about her comments on the Gun rights one - if she is right, then Pearce should probably re-write it cuz it sounds like she’ll sign it.


31 posted on 04/18/2011 6:35:28 PM PDT by MountainWoman
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To: South40

No she’s not!


32 posted on 04/18/2011 6:35:28 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO and the Fleebaggers.)
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To: RBW in PA

Unlike the various kneejerk comments on this thread, I’m going to reserve judgement about Brewer’s veto until the dust settles and we know more about the devil that no doubt lies in the details. She may be playing chess when everyone else is assuming the game is checkers.


33 posted on 04/18/2011 6:36:23 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Wizdum
"As a former Secretary of State (sic), I do not support designating one person as the gatekeeper to the ballot for a candidate, which could lead to artibrary or politically-motivated decisions,"

So her solution is what? No standards?

34 posted on 04/18/2011 6:37:21 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: OKSooner
I’d be interested to hear if she had any statement issued with the vetoes. Last I heard, the Birth Certificate bill was watered down to require a “Certificate of Live Birth”, and not a long form birth certificate.

Me too. After I heard that I was not so concerned about the bill.

35 posted on 04/18/2011 6:37:35 PM PDT by tsowellfan (http://www.cafenetamerica.com)
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To: outhousepatrol
People need to CHILL OUT. Brewer did the right thing here. From what I'm hearing, they had watered these bills down and tampered with them until they were not only pointless, but they were dangerous. Banning from certain locations on campus, but allowing them on "public right of ways" while no definition of a "public right of way" was given. We want students to be able to carry on campus unfettered... not this nit-picky BS where you're afraid to carry at all because the law is so convoluted you can end up breaking it without even knowing why.

I say Kudos Jan!

36 posted on 04/18/2011 6:38:00 PM PDT by ponygirl
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To: FreeReign
So her solution is what? No standards?

Apparently.

37 posted on 04/18/2011 6:38:17 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: RBW in PA

My thought exactly!


38 posted on 04/18/2011 6:38:45 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: skr

Those other documents were to be acceptable if the original birth certificate could not be produced. It is a very similar list of documents that are acceptable when applying for a passport if a bc can not be produced.


39 posted on 04/18/2011 6:39:04 PM PDT by ironman
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Brewer was correct to veto this bill because:

1. It didn't do jack... Obama would just present the COLB.

2. It actually helps to empower Soros's Secretary of State project.
40 posted on 04/18/2011 6:39:27 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: RBW in PA

Isn’t the SoS’s office, in each state, always the gatekeeper to ballot access?


41 posted on 04/18/2011 6:40:12 PM PDT by newzjunkey (Obama: 64 rounds of golf, 5 hrs per round = 320 hrs golfing. 8 work weeks!)
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To: RBW in PA

Flippin’ RINOs. They’re going to be the death of the republic yet.

But, I have to say, even though I support these bills for the purposes of clearing up any possible misunderstanding, I have to ask the question: Why do we need a bill in order to get our elected officials to simply follow the imperative requirements of our Constitution?

And a second question would be: Why should we think that if they won’t keep their oath to follow the imperative requirements of our Constitution that they would follow any lesser law anyhow?

Practically our entire political and legal class have become lawless.


42 posted on 04/18/2011 6:40:37 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (The epitaph of the GOP: They were even less principled than Donald Trump.)
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To: RBW in PA

Remember Jan Brewer WAS the Arizona Secretary of State for the 2008 Presidential election. SHE validated the usurper on Arizona’s ballot. She is implicated in the cover up. Also, the “birther” bill passed both the Arizona House(40 votes) and Senate(20 votes). These numbers constitute a super-majority. JAN CAN BE OVERRIDDEN!!


43 posted on 04/18/2011 6:40:46 PM PDT by persistence48
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To: newzjunkey
Please read up on Soros's Secretary of State project. It was started after the 2000 election.

Soros like many leftist believes Bush only won in Florida due to Katherine Harris being the SoS. They believe if they control the SoS office they can win everywhere.

That is how they got the Franken Senate seat.
44 posted on 04/18/2011 6:43:54 PM PDT by Minus_The_Bear
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To: persistence48
Remember Jan Brewer WAS the Arizona Secretary of State for the 2008 Presidential election. SHE validated the usurper on Arizona’s ballot.

Curiouser and curiouser.

45 posted on 04/18/2011 6:47:07 PM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: RBW in PA

She says in her veto the bill puts it all in the hands of the one individual, the SOS. IOW I believe she is saying it gives too much power to the SOS who could address the issue with political intent if the SOS is so inclined.

We have to remember it’s not just this case of Obama that would be effected. A Soros Secretary of State project SOS could use the bill for political advantage.

She would approve the bill I think if they rewrite the language so the SOS is not the soul decision maker on the matter.


46 posted on 04/18/2011 6:49:20 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: Wizdum

Thanks for that post.

Not sure I agree with her on the gun issue though.


47 posted on 04/18/2011 6:49:24 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: FreeReign
So her solution is what? No standards?

Her two options were sign or veto. She doesn't write the law she signs it, or not. I happen to agree with her reasoning on the BC law.

48 posted on 04/18/2011 6:50:26 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (I can haz CW2 now?)
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To: OKSooner

From what I read a week ago it was watered down to the point of being able to produce an electric bill to be OK’d.


49 posted on 04/18/2011 6:51:13 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby ("To understan' the livin', you gotta commune wit' da dead." Minerva)
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To: RBW in PA

Wasn’t there some kind of plot underway to co-opt all 50 Secretaries of States, since they have control over elections?

Maybe it would work if the proof of “natural born citizenship” had to be approved by the state supreme court instead ... ?


50 posted on 04/18/2011 6:51:17 PM PDT by DNME (With the sound of distant drums ... something wicked this way comes.)
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