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Des Moines paper publishes over 5,000 names of gun permit holders
Wire Update ^ | 4-21-2011 | Joe Brooks

Posted on 04/21/2011 11:58:53 AM PDT by JoeBrooks

(WIREUPDATE.com) — A list of nearly 5,200 names of gun permit owners in Des Moines, Iowa was published on Thursday in the Des Moines CityView paper, sparking privacy concerns among the residents. In the article titled “Who’s Packing” the names of those who filed for a gun permit under the new Iowa gun law are listed in alphabetical order.

“With nearly 5,200 applications to carry already this year, it’s safe to say that plenty of people, including your neighbors and friends, are now “packing heat.” Cityview author Jared Crutis wrote before naming all the residents.

The article was published in both the weekly print edition and online.

The publication of this information has put law-abiding citizens in harm. In a recent article in Newsmax magazine John Stossel wrote of a similar situation in Illinois. State attorney general Lisa Madigan came under fire earlier this month for wanting to release the names of gun owners in the entire state.

“Publication of that list would tell the criminal class where the guns are, which could be useful to two different sorts of lawbreakers: gun thieves who want to know where the guns are and burglars who want to know where they are not.” Stossel concluded.

According to Polk County Sheriff’s office 5,195 applications for a permit to carry were received by the department so far in 2011.

Cityview is an independent weekly magazine that is available in rack-stands throughout central Iowa.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Iowa
KEYWORDS: banglist; democrats; gunlaws; gunpermits; guns; jaredcrutis; liberalfascism
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1 posted on 04/21/2011 11:58:57 AM PDT by JoeBrooks
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To: JoeBrooks

Attention criminals, everyone else is fair game.


2 posted on 04/21/2011 12:00:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: cripplecreek

**Attention criminals, everyone else is fair game.**

Great list of houses NOT TO Burglarize!


3 posted on 04/21/2011 12:02:03 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (islam ... church of the Perpetually Offended!)
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To: JoeBrooks

Wow, those unintended consequences!


4 posted on 04/21/2011 12:03:53 PM PDT by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: JoeBrooks

One can safely assume that Jared’s name is not on the PUBLISHED list. Does he have a permit?


5 posted on 04/21/2011 12:04:30 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cripplecreek
+1

If I was planning on robbing a house, I'd take this list along as a double check to make sure there ISN'T a gun inside.


6 posted on 04/21/2011 12:06:05 PM PDT by Brookhaven (Moderates = non-thinkers)
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To: JoeBrooks
Subversive organizations like this newspaper are yet another reason why people should not need "permits" in order to exercise a God-given right.

Why don't we require newspapers to have government-issued permits in order to publish as well? That would only be fair, right?

7 posted on 04/21/2011 12:06:17 PM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: JoeBrooks
Cityview is an independent weekly magazine
Cityview is a COMMUNIST weekly magazine, whose offices and printing presses should be demolished.
8 posted on 04/21/2011 12:06:58 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: JoeBrooks
I would think it would not be too hard to find and distribute the home address of the writer, Jared Crutis, his editor and the publisher of the newspaper.
This along with a note that these folks are very likely to not have any firearms. I am sure the poor besieged home burglars in Des Moines would be eternally grateful.
9 posted on 04/21/2011 12:07:21 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: JoeBrooks
Print the name of every woman who has obtained an abortion.

If you are going to print the names of people enjoying their Constitutional rights, then enclude EVERYONE.

10 posted on 04/21/2011 12:07:21 PM PDT by Buffalo Bob
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To: JoeBrooks

A road map for breaking and entering and stealing firearms.


11 posted on 04/21/2011 12:07:36 PM PDT by Carley ( TYPICAL STREET THUG, NASTY BULLY, THAT'S OUR PRESIDENT.)
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To: JoeBrooks
Probably as left-leaning as the Chicago Reader. However, if they're going to know then I'll put this sign out: Photobucket And for the female busybody, we have this sign: Neighbor
12 posted on 04/21/2011 12:07:50 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: JoeBrooks

“Publication of that list would tell the criminal class where the guns are, which could be useful to two different sorts of lawbreakers: gun thieves who want to know where the guns are and burglars who want to know where they are not.” Stossel concluded.

That’s a great point. It only helps the criminals.


13 posted on 04/21/2011 12:09:32 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: JoeBrooks

FWIW, the boy’s name is Curtis, not Crutis (mispelling in the article).


14 posted on 04/21/2011 12:10:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Cboldt

Thanks fixed.

This is totally outrageous. Several of my relatives are on that list. People around here are saying they have never heard of such a thing. The sheriff’s office that released the information and this newspaper should be shamed and stuck with a class action lawsuit.


15 posted on 04/21/2011 12:12:42 PM PDT by JoeBrooks
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To: Buffalo Bob

Release the names and addresses of all the newspapers employees from the editor to the janitor, see how they like that.


16 posted on 04/21/2011 12:19:29 PM PDT by sarge83
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To: JoeBrooks

Dear criminals,

I don’t own a gun. - - -

But I do own a crossbow, olympic archery set, and a hunting slingshot.

I also practice a lot.


17 posted on 04/21/2011 12:22:01 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Buffalo Bob

“Print the name of every woman who has obtained an abortion.”

The list of women who have had abortions should also be printed. However, the abortion list is not public record while the list of gun permit holders is public record.


18 posted on 04/21/2011 12:28:45 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: JoeBrooks

Criminals love gun control...it makes their jobs safer.


19 posted on 04/21/2011 12:30:00 PM PDT by RexBeach
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To: JoeBrooks
Find and publish the name, address and phone number of all the editorial staff at that paper. Give them the same exposure they have given the gun owners. Fair is fair.
20 posted on 04/21/2011 12:30:08 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: oh8eleven

is this one of those free papers they can’t even give away?


21 posted on 04/21/2011 12:36:54 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Tupelo

“I would think it would not be too hard to find and distribute the home address of the writer, Jared Crutis, his editor and the publisher of the newspaper.
This along with a note that these folks are very likely to not have any firearms. “

Absolutely! Notify the criminal element that his house is a gun-free zone!


22 posted on 04/21/2011 12:41:43 PM PDT by Castigar
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To: JoeBrooks
-- The sheriff's office that released the information and this newspaper should be shamed and stuck with a class action lawsuit. --

My impression of Iowa judges (based on the cases I've read) is that they are hostile to gun rights. Not to say a suit would be a waste, but anybody undertaking it should do so with the thought that they will lose in the end.

There are no quantifiable money damages, and the names folks are now roughly on parity with law enforcement (believed to have a gun at home, address is findable).

Looking farther ahead, as others have pointed out, this publication makes an argument that the right to keep and bear arms should not be done on a permit basis. The state of Iowa should adopt Vermont/Alaska/Arizona style law. Concealed carry is allowed without any permit.

23 posted on 04/21/2011 12:44:02 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cripplecreek
Absolutely. Whoever Jared Crutis might be, there ain't many of him in the United States.

In fact, there's only ONE Crutis in Iowa and that's probably his father with Jared living in the basement, playing with himself, snorking and horking, sniveling over what a mean trick he's playing on everybody else.

Thieves should be alerted to the fact this dude may well have TENS OF THOUSANDS of computer equipment crowding his living quarters, more than enough Bolt cans to fill a stadium, and definitely a background stench redolent of decaying flesh.

I think we've all got his number.

Oh, and no guns. Guy ain't got no guns. Bring your trucks!

24 posted on 04/21/2011 12:50:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JoeBrooks

Cross reference for democrat politicians on all levels!

City ,county ,state.


25 posted on 04/21/2011 12:51:23 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: Cboldt
CRUTIS is a real name you can find by looking it up in Iowa.

You need a "source" for this CURTIS idea.

Given various comments you might want to notify the moderator to get the spelling changed.

26 posted on 04/21/2011 12:53:21 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Tupelo

Yeah but he could always be another Carl Rowan...you never really know.


27 posted on 04/21/2011 12:55:06 PM PDT by xp38
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To: muawiyah
-- You need a "source" for this CURTIS idea. --

http://www.dmcityview.com/2011/04/21/features/

How about the alternative newspaper as it presents itself and the author of the story?

28 posted on 04/21/2011 12:57:43 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: muawiyah
-- Given various comments you might want to notify the moderator to get the spelling changed. --

The moderator has no control over the third party error.

29 posted on 04/21/2011 12:59:38 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: cripplecreek

I’m hoping if anyone outside that list has their house burglarized, they then hire a sharp lawyer to sue the paper into oblivion for aiding and abetting.


30 posted on 04/21/2011 1:00:44 PM PDT by 6SJ7 (atlasShruggedInd = TRUE)
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To: Cboldt
The trick here is that the next person in Des Moines who has his house robbed should bring suit against jared and his running dog lackeys.

The reason is that this list will have targeted his house by exception ~ increasing the chance he would be robbed many times over ~ with the fact he had been robbed being a reality.

Also, in case Jared and his queer little buddies tried a retaliatory law suit, I think you could count on getting a sympathetic jury ~ particularly since the list of permit holders is no where near the number of gun owners in that town.

I looked through the list and none of my known cousins are on it.

31 posted on 04/21/2011 1:01:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Cboldt
As you said, third party error ~ not mine, not yours, not even that of the originator of the story.

But they knew that by publishing there was a chance a word could be misspelled in a downstream excerpt. Mr. Crutis is probably preparing as we speak.

32 posted on 04/21/2011 1:03:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: gwilhelm56
Great list of houses NOT TO Burglarize!


33 posted on 04/21/2011 1:03:47 PM PDT by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: JoeBrooks

I’ll bet the vandals and burglars love this. Especially those looking to steal firearms.


34 posted on 04/21/2011 1:04:56 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer ("Game on!" - Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: muawiyah
-- As you said, third party error ... --

Yeah, I checked it out before I posted that "Crutis" was erroneous; and before you chimed in with your "easy to find CRutis." LOL.

No hard feelings. Happy Easter!

35 posted on 04/21/2011 1:07:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: JoeBrooks

I like the yard sign, once sold by Front Sight, that showed their signature torso target with a controlled pair to the thoracic cavity and one to the ocular area, with the words printed, “Nothing inside worth dying for”.


36 posted on 04/21/2011 1:11:05 PM PDT by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Cboldt

Poor CRUTIS ~ wonder if he missed the list too?


37 posted on 04/21/2011 1:17:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: JoeBrooks

My first thought was to locate, print, and widely distribute detailed maps of the homes of the editor, owner, and all employees of the news papers. Should work both ways


38 posted on 04/21/2011 1:31:59 PM PDT by contrarian ( KEEP YOUR BEEBERS STUNED)
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To: oh8eleven

I should hope the commie press will now also list all households receiving unemployment,disability,medicaid,etc....afterall, the public needs to know...


39 posted on 04/21/2011 1:32:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: Nachum

Get ‘em in the heart!


40 posted on 04/21/2011 1:36:15 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Fear can hold you prisoner.Hope can set you free.(Shawshank Redemption))
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To: sarge83

Then criminals would know where to go to steal a copies of “Earth in the Balance” ,”Rules for Radicals”, “Dreams of My Father” and the Communist Manifesto.


41 posted on 04/21/2011 1:47:26 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: pnh102

The owners of those guns should use them to shoot the people at the paper that endangered them by publishing that information; it would certainly be self-defence.


42 posted on 04/21/2011 2:05:29 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Buffalo Bob

“Print the name of every woman who has obtained an abortion.”

I was about to say the same; you’re right, they’re both exercising their rights: one group doesn’t want to get murdered, and the other has committed a murder.


43 posted on 04/21/2011 2:08:13 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: JoeBrooks

This is why I”ll never get a dam permit!

Our 2nd amendment IS my permit!

In Wi. (no permits here), a pizza delivery man shot a thug in self defense. No charges filed! Who could try a man for self defense?


44 posted on 04/21/2011 2:13:37 PM PDT by devistate one four (United states code 10.311 Militia Kimber CDP II .45 OORAH! TET68)
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To: xp38
“Yeah but he could always be another Carl Rowan...you never really know.”

Sorry, but I can see no downside there.
The absolute worst thing that could happen is:
a burgurglar happens to get dead
a hypocritical journalist happens to get outed.

45 posted on 04/21/2011 2:24:04 PM PDT by Tupelo (The Boudicca from Wasilla supporter)
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To: devistate one four

Plenty of anti-gun DAs;New York City and Bloomberg comes to mind.


46 posted on 04/21/2011 2:48:21 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: WOBBLY BOB
is this one of those free papers they can’t even give away?
Don't know, but after they're shut down it won't matter.
47 posted on 04/21/2011 3:26:43 PM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
Cityview is a COMMUNIST weekly magazine, whose offices and printing presses should be demolished.

Oh oh!

SOMEone is channeling Joseph Smith!

48 posted on 04/21/2011 5:00:02 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Cboldt
My impression of Iowa judges (based on the cases I've read) is that they are hostile to gun rights.

Where do THEY live?

49 posted on 04/21/2011 5:01:58 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JoeBrooks

I would assume this rag carries some advertising. Time
to avoid all the advertisers.


50 posted on 04/21/2011 6:00:16 PM PDT by cycjec
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