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Obama’s Electric Car Drive Dogged By Foreign Battery Drain
Forbes ^ | Apr. 24 2011 | Jeff McMahon

Posted on 04/25/2011 9:24:03 AM PDT by Qbert

President Obama’s plan to put one million electric cars on American roads by 2015 is a boon for makers of expensive advanced batteries—especially in Korea and Japan.

Although U.S. researchers have developed advanced battery designs, the U.S. has lacked manufacturers who can produce them. That situation is changing thanks to a stimulus-funded initiative to build battery plants in Michigan, but the change has been slow—and battery manufacturers in Korea and Japan are not sitting idly by.

“The Asians are ramping up the capability to produce batteries at a scary rate, actually,” said Mark Peters, Argonne National Laboratory’s deputy director for programs, on Thursday. “We’re following that very closely. Because we’re developing advanced technologies, but there’s no U.S. industry to really take hold of what we’re developing.”

The batteries for the lauded GM Volt are assembled at new plants in Michigan, but those plants are sited near airports that receive the lithium-ion cells from Korea.

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But a million electric cars means a million batteries—and America may not win the race to develop lighter, less expensive, more reliable ones. Obama has been pushing batteries since his first presidential campaign but with renewed energy of late.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Japan; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electriccars; obama
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1 posted on 04/25/2011 9:24:06 AM PDT by Qbert
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To: Qbert

A million by 2015?
With the crap electric cars out there, they will be lucky to have 50,000 out by 2015!


2 posted on 04/25/2011 9:30:09 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Qbert
"But a million electric cars means a million batteries"

That would also produce whole bunch of brownouts. We don't have the capacity to supply that much electricity.
We would need several more nuclear power plants to be able to handle that much demand.

3 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:11 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Have you ever seen Dallas from a DC-9 At night?)
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To: Qbert

heres a gift.
OTC:blqn


4 posted on 04/25/2011 9:33:53 AM PDT by TShaunK
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To: SECURE AMERICA

“A chicken in every pot and a Chevy volt in every burned out garage....”


5 posted on 04/25/2011 9:34:25 AM PDT by databoss
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To: SECURE AMERICA

Plus, if there is a million, who will be paying for roads and road repair since that million isn’t paying gas tax?


6 posted on 04/25/2011 9:35:27 AM PDT by unique
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Here's the rub however..............

Can GM's quality be high enough to outpace the demise of models sold and on the road? My bet is on the road end of reality versus the pace of battery and chasis production.

That is the real sales risk of the Chevy Volt. History repeats itself.

www.ev1.org/

7 posted on 04/25/2011 9:37:07 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: Qbert

One government sponsored battery bubble coming your way soon


8 posted on 04/25/2011 9:37:21 AM PDT by stylin_geek (Never underestimate the power of government to distort markets)
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To: Qbert
So when someone buys an electric/hybrid car and then plugs it in to charge it, is he or is he not using electricity that was produced mainly by burning coal?

WTF is so hard to understand about the inefficiency of rechargeable batteries?

Obama hates coal but loves electric cars. Makes no sense whatsoever.

9 posted on 04/25/2011 9:37:45 AM PDT by Semper911 (When you want to rob Peter to pay Paul, you'll always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Qbert
That situation is changing thanks to a stimulus-funded initiative to build battery plants in Michigan

In other word, he's taking taxpayer money to build battery plants in a leftist state full of Obama voters, welfare recipients, and union workers, not to mention Muslims.

No doubt this will be a union-run plant, with minority hiring, astronomical salaries and benefits, and incapable of making a "profit" without continual subsidies.

Just another present to his supporters.

10 posted on 04/25/2011 9:37:52 AM PDT by Cicero
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To: unique

I am sure we will have a mileage tax instead.


11 posted on 04/25/2011 9:38:35 AM PDT by Perdogg
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To: databoss

A chicken in every pot, cooked in a GM Volt parked garage.(p)There......Fixed it.


12 posted on 04/25/2011 9:38:38 AM PDT by blackdog (The mystery of government is not how Washington works but how to make it stop)
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To: databoss
“A chicken in every pot and a Chevy volt in every burned out garage....”

Yep, think they should rename the little sucker *The Sparky*.

13 posted on 04/25/2011 9:39:06 AM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Bachmann, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Rush, Hannity......Nuff said.)
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To: Qbert

And then to sell these turkeys, there will undoubtedly be a huge tax credit for people who buy them. Financed by the rest of the taxpayers.

Government economy.


14 posted on 04/25/2011 9:45:07 AM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: Voter#537
We don't have the capacity to supply that much electricity.

I don't think the dufus knows where electricity comes from.

15 posted on 04/25/2011 9:45:57 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("If you wish to be a success in the world, promise everything, deliver nothing." -Napoleon Bonaparte)
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To: Semper911

“So when someone buys an electric/hybrid car and then plugs it in to charge it, is he or is he not using electricity that was produced mainly by burning coal?
WTF is so hard to understand about the inefficiency of rechargeable batteries?”

—The Left ignores that inconvenient truth, and believes that windmills and solar will somehow solve the problem. Consequences be damned.


16 posted on 04/25/2011 9:49:41 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Qbert

Is it true that lithium batteries lose 20% capacity per year?
So a three year old volt will have only 40% of the range of a new one? Why is Obama pushing this thing?

“A Standard (Cobalt) Li-Ion cell that is full most of the time at 25 °C (77 °F) irreversibly loses approximately 20% capacity per year.”

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Cell_life


17 posted on 04/25/2011 9:50:45 AM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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To: Cicero
Just another present to his supporters.

Everything he does is calculated to funnel money to his supporters. The objective of these plants is to create as many union jobs and funnel as much money back to the unions in dues as possible. That means making it take as many people and as much time as possible to build them, and designing them to require as many people as possible to operate.

18 posted on 04/25/2011 9:52:48 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Cicero

And then there’s the administration’s billion dollar loan guarantees to foreign-based joint ventures to build solar plants and provide for global wealth redistribution.


19 posted on 04/25/2011 9:55:00 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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To: Perdogg

Actually, they are thinking about that in Washington state.

I also wonder how much it’s going to cost to replace the battery in one of these cars - down the road. Besides, batteries are already a huge environmental issue - creation and disposal......Nader should also step up and declare electric cars “Unsafe and any speed.”


20 posted on 04/25/2011 9:56:30 AM PDT by unique
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To: unique

They need to invent the flying Jetson car...we won’t need no steenkin’ roads.


21 posted on 04/25/2011 10:00:13 AM PDT by Overtaxed
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To: Semper911
Obama hates coal but loves electric cars. Makes no sense whatsoever.

Makes no sense whatsoever: That should be dictionary as the definition of the word: Utopia

22 posted on 04/25/2011 10:02:29 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Qbert; All
And no one notices the following moves done stealth-aly by Ford, yes these are from web-based media sources....

* A program to take 500 to 700 lbs out of a vehicle
* Picking tier suppliers for soup to nuts conversion/ co-production lines of Gaseous Fuel systems for Fleet Vehicles
* A Euro-Focus at a car show, with their latest gen Diesel and extensive underside Aerodynamics. 67 mpg highway if my memory is correct.

These area of pushing the technological envelope are far more common sensical than the hybrid/plug-in paradigm.

The X-Prize "Edison 2" won without a hybrid drivetrain, they couldn't make an engineering case for it....

My Prediction?

In 10 years it maybe the "Super-Light" car vs the Hybrid-Plugin-Electric.

IMHO the Super-Light will win....

23 posted on 04/25/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: Qbert

Not only that, 0bama is completely against expanding domestic electricity production. Into what are people supposed to plug these stupid cars? Candles?


24 posted on 04/25/2011 10:11:16 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Qbert
... but those plants are sited near airports that receive the lithium-ion cells from Korea.

And just how much gasoline is required to run those planes?

25 posted on 04/25/2011 10:12:42 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
"I don't think the dufus knows where electricity comes from."

You are right. He thinks if you have a receptacle you will always have electricity. All Greene's think that.

26 posted on 04/25/2011 11:03:33 AM PDT by DeaconRed (Have you ever seen Dallas from a DC-9 At night?)
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To: Qbert
Yeah...Energy Conversion Devices...ENER...into solar cells and batteries went from $52 to $1.90 and falling in 2 years....

Good luck ENER stockholders.

And Ethanol company PEIX trading down at 45 cents today...

more good luck for PEIX stock holders.

27 posted on 04/25/2011 11:22:45 AM PDT by spokeshave (Obamas approval ratings are so low, Kenyans are accusing him of being born in the USA.)
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To: Semper911

You don’t understand.

Electric cars aren’t for driving. They’re for parking in the driveway to look pretty while you run off to catch a Chinese made bullet train so you can be a half hour late to work every morning.


28 posted on 04/25/2011 11:37:31 AM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: The Cajun

“A USDA approved free range chicken cooking with EPA approved alternate energy in every pot and a Volt burning in every garage....”


29 posted on 04/25/2011 11:47:27 AM PDT by databoss
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