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CNN via BREAKING on Drudge: White House releases Obama birth certificate
CNN ^ | 27 APR 11 | DCBryan1

Posted on 04/27/2011 6:09:26 AM PDT by DCBryan1

Edited on 04/27/2011 6:22:09 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

(CNN) The White House released President Obama’s original birth certificate Wednesday.

The surprise release follows recent and sustained remarks by businessman Donald Trump, among others, that raised doubts as to whether the president was born in the United States.


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To: Responsibility2nd

You’re too modest. I’ve read plenty of your posts, and I give you an A+ Freeper rating.

Unlike what I would give to those who take cheap, underhanded swipes at people just for daring to question the honesty and integrity of The Won. Something stinks in Denmark, when those defending Obama pretend to own FR, and have the right to show anybody questioning their guy the door to DU. Excuse me, but DU is the place where Obama commands blind faith. Here on FR, we’ve learned not to trust [Obama], and we never stop verifying.


651 posted on 04/27/2011 8:56:20 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: DCBryan1

His obituary from the Honolulu Star-Bulletin reads:

Dr. David A. Sinclair, 81, of Honolulu , a retired physician, died Aug. 20, 2003, at home. He was born in Portland , Ore. He is survived by wife Ivalee; sons David, Karl and Brian; daughters Margaret Peterson, Rebekah Luke and Ruth and Katherine Sinclair; 11 grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Services: 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at Central Union Church Atherton Chapel. Call after 4:30 p.m. Aloha attire. No flowers. Donations suggested to Alzheimer’s Association of Hawaii.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/08/24/news/obits.html


652 posted on 04/27/2011 8:56:27 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
"As for the theory that jus sanguinis citizenship is required for someone to be a natural-born citizen, I respectfully disagree. Congress by law provides for who is a U.S. citizen at birth, and is someone is a U.S. citizen at birth pursuant to the U.S. law in effect at the time such person was born, then that person is a natural-born citizen."

Then why did the Founding Fathers change the original language describing qualification to be president from "born a Citizen" to "natural born Citizen"?

653 posted on 04/27/2011 8:56:35 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: matt1234

The sequence has to do with when the document was registered. I’ve referred previously on these boards to the DC Certificates of Live Birth acquired by my twin sons in the past year. The younger twin’s number is lower than the older, just a question of what order they were transmitted.

The important information on the Obama BC released today is “Kenya, East Africa.” If we had a functioning SCOTUS, they would interpret the Framers’ intent of the ‘natural born citizen’ language of the Constitution,. If this is let stand, you can forget that the Framers even bothered to make POTUS/CinC a very special Office.


654 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:02 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: butterdezillion

That’s because a .pdf file is an Adobe document, and won’t open properly in Word.


655 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:07 AM PDT by Balding_Eagle (Trump fights to win...if he announces, he's going to fight a fight we've never seen, and will win.)
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To: Uncle Miltie
1) A typewriter that has different capital “M” for the words “OBAMA” and “P.M.”

The "M" looks to me to be printed on the form itself, just like all the title headings. Given that there is always an M. (AM or PM), they just had it pre-printed on the form. It looks the same on the Nordyke BC.

656 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:11 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: DCBryan1
Does anybody know what the birth certificates of children with a parent who is not a legal resident say on them?

I'm wondering if they say something to the effect of "this document is not proof of citizenship"? That is what American birth certificates of internationally adopted children say.

657 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:15 AM PDT by old and tired
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To: WinOne4TheGipper; Responsibility2nd

He stalled for too long. That will always keep a level of suspicion fanned. Control freaks on the right have been lecturing us for years and years. Same old saw — don’t be curious about something odd as though they have the power to abolish curiosity. They’re the fools.


658 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:18 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: DCBryan1

So he spent 2-3 million bucks not to show something he just coulda shown when asked like anyone else has to do for passports, college admissions etc?

Did he think he could use it to make us look stupid?

Well contrary to Beltway views it makes him look conniving or too clever by half...not us stupid.

And why the blackout on all school records too?

Say what you like about Trump...at least he is engaging the One.


659 posted on 04/27/2011 8:57:23 AM PDT by wardaddy (ok...Trump beating on Obama---Sarah----Michelle.....any of them are ok for now---tain't picky)
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To: Uncle Miltie

1) The M is pre-filled on the form. The attendant just has to add A or P.

2) ??

3) That’s the scanning software used to put the document into a PDF.

4) I suspect that the stamp used read Aug 8 196 and then the attended writes in the 1.

5) As in 3 above, you can’t look at pixelation from a scanned into PDF copy. You would need to look at a high-definition picture of the document in order to do pixel analysis - and even then pixelation only matters on digitally altered documents. It doesn’t matter on printed documents that are then scanned.


660 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:24 AM PDT by Adammon
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To: Uncle Miltie

1) The M is pre-filled on the form. The attendant just has to add A or P.

2) ??

3) That’s the scanning software used to put the document into a PDF.

4) I suspect that the stamp used read Aug 8 196 and then the attendant writes in the 1.

5) As in 3 above, you can’t look at pixelation from a scanned into PDF copy. You would need to look at a high-definition picture of the document in order to do pixel analysis - and even then pixelation only matters on digitally altered documents. It doesn’t matter on printed documents that are then scanned.


661 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:35 AM PDT by Adammon
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To: DCBryan1
So the issue really is THE FATHER...(please note I haven't read all 600+ messages yet)

See here

There is nothing vague about the term natural born citizen and the issue is Obama's birth father, not his birth place -- His dual and divided loyalties, which he has demonstrated every day since taking office.

It is well known that the Founders borrowed the term from the Law of Nations and the historical definition of the term is indisputable based upon four simple statements dating back to the mid-1700s.

. natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

. those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.

. The country of the fathers is therefore that of the children; and these become true citizens

. in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

This is the definition of natural born citizen and CNN along with every other press outlet, member of congress and U.S. Supreme Court know it.

Of course, this means that no matter where on earth Obama may have been born, he is not a natural born citizen and they all know this too. Obama's stated natural birth father is Barack Hussein Obama of Kenya, who was at no time in his life a citizen of the United States. Since natural-born citizenship follows the bloodline of the father, Obama II cannot be a natural born citizen of the Unites States no matter where he was born.
662 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:35 AM PDT by Khepri (Change -- How's that working for yah?)
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To: Adammon

No they are not. Zoom the ‘BC” to 800%. You can clearly see the difference.


663 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: Uncle Miltie

It just looks like a bad cut-and-paste job to me.

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It IS a bad cut-and-paste job. Just like the original COLB Obama released on Kos. So why? Why is Obama PROLONGING and INCREASING this BC controversy? Also notice the date of this amateurish hack job is April 25, 2011.

And the after-birther Obama-bots on this thread are claiming this ENDS the Certifigate crisis?

Hoo boy!


664 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: Tatze

Good catch.


665 posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:50 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: ScreamingFist

Go to the Post & Email or WND and look at the images provided by people who have recently obtained copies of their LFBCs.

Do a comparison between Obama’s, Danae’s, and the one with “Sheila Richardson’s” signature on it.

Tell me what you see.


666 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:03 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. *4192*)
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To: WinOne4TheGipper

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2711155/posts?page=627#627


667 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:14 AM PDT by Fantasywriter
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To: mel

“I don’t want Trump to shut up, I want him to keep putting pressure on Obummer on other topics.”

This was all pre-arranged. Look now for Trump to declare he is satisfied with this release. We’ve been played folks.


668 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:39 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: DCBryan1

Is this the doctor?

Obituaries
Sunday, August 24, 2003
Honolulu Star Bulletin

Dr. David A. Sinclair, 81, of Honolulu, a retired physician, died Aug. 20, 2003, at home. He was born in Portland, Ore. He is survived by wife Ivalee; sons David, Karl and Brian; daughters Margaret Peterson, Rebekah Luke and Ruth and Katherine Sinclair; 11 grandchildren; and one great-grandchild. Services: 5:30 p.m. Wednesday at Central Union Church Atherton Chapel. Call after 4:30 p.m. Aloha attire. No flowers. Donations suggested to Alzheimer’s Association of Hawaii.

http://archives.starbulletin.com/2003/08/24/news/obits.html


669 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:52 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: old and tired

I’m no lawyer, but natural born is not the same standard as citizenship. Natrual born is a higher standard. Citizenship, if I’m not mistaken, only requires one U.S. parent, right?


670 posted on 04/27/2011 8:59:54 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Interestingly, Dr. David A. Sinclair only dots the lower case “i” in his first name. Huh. Doctor penmanship, I guess.


671 posted on 04/27/2011 9:01:13 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Trickle Up Poverty.)
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To: Responsibility2nd; Fantasywriter

I must 2nd Fantasywriters motion! =)


672 posted on 04/27/2011 9:01:36 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: DCBryan1
I saw this post on The Smoking Gun:

Try the following: Save off a copy of the exact PDF file the White House has released as Obama's birth certificate this morning. Find yourself a copy of Adobe Illustrator (not Photoshop), and load up the PDF file in Illustrator. Then click on the center of the image of the birth certificate, then right-click on the center of the image, and click Release Clipping Mask. Have fun...

Maybe some freeper can tell us what this means?

673 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:03 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Uncle Miltie

So I guess this all means Obama’s Muslim grandmother in Africa is a liar.


674 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:19 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: widdle_wabbit
So Obama just confirmed that Barbara Nelson is a liar. She claimed that Dr. West told her he had delivered Obama. Or maybe Dr. West was the liar. Too bad he's dead and can't defend his name.

Gosh, I despise this unnatural-born citizen who has taken over our country.

Mrs. Prince of Space

675 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:24 AM PDT by Prince of Space (Proud member of the only church started by Jesus Christ over 2000 years ago...)
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To: ShadowAce

where’s the seal and footprint?


676 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:47 AM PDT by paul revere is riding
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To: Adammon

You sound like a guy trying to defend his own handiwork.


677 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:56 AM PDT by Palladin (Sarah Palin in 2012!)
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To: cyberaxe

I’m convinced...this birth certificate (serial number) belongs to a dead person.....


678 posted on 04/27/2011 9:02:58 AM PDT by Fawn (No--bama 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor

I hear you, FRiend. Too bad a certain level of economics is required to be President too. Sorry again about the “M” distraction.


679 posted on 04/27/2011 9:03:05 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: MichiganConservative
That is the problem isn't it.

Here it is...I'm not a natural born citizen....try to do something about.

It's fits his M.O.
680 posted on 04/27/2011 9:03:20 AM PDT by Khepri (Change -- How's that working for yah?)
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To: Grunthor

A COLB is what was released today by Obama. A COLB is not a LFBC. Sorry but Obama was, is and will lie about anything.


681 posted on 04/27/2011 9:03:31 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Grunthor

A COLB is what was released today by Obama. A COLB is not a LFBC. Sorry but Obama was, is and will lie about anything.


682 posted on 04/27/2011 9:03:46 AM PDT by hflynn
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

“He stalled for too long.”

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True. And because of that - LTC Lakin sits in Leavenworth.

That travesty alone is horrifying. To think a man like Obama could be complicit in allowing an innocent man to go to prison is beyond moral comprehension.

If it were up to me - Lakin would be released today only to have Obama take his place in prison.


683 posted on 04/27/2011 9:04:46 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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To: danamco; Miss Didi; penelopesire; hoosiermama; STARWISE; maggief; Liz; onyx; SE Mom; LucyT

Asked dad the significance of “ABSTRACT” notated.

He said it indicated that the original document had be condensed or abridged. That what we’re viewing is not complete.

D, Agree about the book release. BO must really be ticking.

Trump didn’t expect this quick of a response, but he’s not just blindly accepting it and is asking for more.


684 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:14 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: Blogger; butterdezillion
Yes. I get the same results.

I got the same results too. Very odd, and the first thing that makes me question it. Most everything else people are screaming about is BS and has easily plausible explanations. This might too, but I don't know what it is.

685 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:18 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: Gaffer
The one big question I have is what in the world is going on with the left side of the certificate? It looks like it's been cut an inch or so and folded back under the rest of the paper....just looks odd.

The original is in a bound book. They laid it on a copier.

Outside of her having him at 18, pregnant at 17 and under age...

Age of consent in Hawaii is 16.

686 posted on 04/27/2011 9:05:51 AM PDT by Bubba Ho-Tep ("More weight!"--Giles Corey)
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To: DCBryan1

His original story was that there was “something embarrassing” on the long form and that was why he didn’t want it released. I don’t see anything embarrassing on this, do you? So, was he lying then, or has the original been altered?


687 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:03 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (There ARE two Americas: "God's children" and the tax payers)
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To: headstamp 2

That is not what he said. In his press conference he was questioning his school records.

Trump is just getting started.


688 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:03 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded.")
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To: Responsibility2nd; Fantasywriter

Excuse me i really don’t think people who are on FR are interested in these little tit for tats. Childish
ha ha ha


689 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:24 AM PDT by mel (o fFR monthly...Do You?????)
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To: headstamp 2

Perhaps you should hold your thoughts prior to watching the video of Trump on Fox this morning. He won’t believe it until his own forensic people get to review the document, unlike a handful of FReepers who are hi-jacking this thread, and seem willing to believe anything Obama tells them.


690 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:27 AM PDT by Carling (Obama: Inexperienced and incompetent, yet ego maniacal. God help us all.)
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To: DCBryan1

I will believe it until I see the ORIGINAL BC, not the copy one.


691 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:38 AM PDT by origins9622 (Go Sarah!!!)
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To: butterdezillion

I’m thinking this is just an abstract. The dept of health just printed, with today’s machinery, the form and details, and somehow copied the signatures over. That this is not any kind of photo copy of the original.

Would be interesting to see if this is truly all you get these days when you ask for a legal copy of your long form from HI.


692 posted on 04/27/2011 9:06:59 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: BuckeyeTexan
Tell me what you see.

Nothing since I couldn't find it. If they go to all the trouble of printing it on security paper, why do they not stamp it with a seal?

693 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:09 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Quiet the Idiot)
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To: PennsylvaniaMom

Did somebody on Fox say they think he was pulling a con, based on his behavior?


694 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:31 AM PDT by butterdezillion (.)
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To: hflynn

Been listening to local all news station owned by CBS. They report as gospel what Obama provided today as factual and should be end of sentence. Not a word about Trump slapping the snot out of him before hand.

Let us tell you how to think......


695 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:34 AM PDT by halfright (My presidents picture is in the dictionary, next to the word, "rectum".)
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To: newzjunkey; Grammy; LucyT; butterdezillion

When a child is adopted, the child’s birth certificate will be changed to reflect that information. The nature of the changes and how they are made may depend on the state in which the child and adoptive parents reside. In many cases, the original birth certificate may be kept and sealed after an adoption and a new birth certificate may be created.

How is a birth certificate changed after an adoption?

After a child is adopted, most states will perform a similar procedure as follows:

If the child is from a foreign country, the parents will file the adoption papers from that country in their local jurisdiction when they arrive home. The papers will be handled by the district court to complete a certificate of adoption.
The same will be true of a child adopted within the US. The adoption certificate will be created by the parents’ district court based on those papers, regardless of their point of origin.
After the adoption is finalized and the certificate of adoption is completed by the district court, it will be mailed by the court to the local State Department of Health to be processed by the Registrar.
The adoption certificate will be used by the Registrar to create a new birth record. This will list the new adopted information, i.e. the names and information of the adoptive parent(s) as the legal parents of the child. The child’s birth date and other details may or may not remain as listed, depending on the circumstances of the birth. Information about the biological parents will be removed from the official record, and the new information regarding the adoptive parents will officially replace the original birth records, if any. The original records will be sealed and filed in confidentiality, only to be released under specific court orders in rare situations.

To ensure that all steps are completed smoothly, an adoption lawyer should be consulted during the process.


696 posted on 04/27/2011 9:07:37 AM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: Uncle Miltie
Dr. David A. Sinclair

Larry Sinclair's dad?

697 posted on 04/27/2011 9:08:46 AM PDT by library user (Just because you're homeless doesn't mean you're lazy.)
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To: matt1234

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/watch-todays-215-pm-fomc-press-conference-live-and-interruption-free-here

FYI


698 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:05 AM PDT by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: headstamp 2
This was all pre-arranged.

We will know soon enough. If true, it would be very interesting that this “declaration” is made just prior to the book being released. Nothing I would like better than for BO to go down over the BC issue because we would get a twofer. BO and the media will be shown to be the scum they are.

699 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:12 AM PDT by LuvFreeRepublic (Support our military or leave. I will help you pack BO!)
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To: NoGrayZone; Fantasywriter; Admin Moderator; Lead Moderator; Religion Moderator

Overruled.

I’m a no-good birther fool.

Do I have to ping the moderators? THEY’LL tell you what a scum bum I am.


700 posted on 04/27/2011 9:09:12 AM PDT by Responsibility2nd (A Birther: One who has questions or concerns over the birth of Barry Barack Hussein Soetero Obama)
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