Skip to comments.Smoking Gun: Will Release Of Obama's Purported Birth Certificate Give Rise To New "Certer" Movement?
Posted on 04/27/2011 7:39:09 AM PDT by Zakeet
This mornings White House release of President Barack Obamas long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the birther movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinkos in Abilene.
So heres a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:
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Obamas people have had over 3 years to FORGE 336 characters/certificate marks. So you have over three days per letter to work on it. It needs to be scrutinized and verified. It legitimate to ask other questions given the delay.
When was “African” a race?
What am I missing here?
The new doc release says on top Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB.
We have been demanding, and are demanding, and will always demand the Long Form Birth Certificate, or BC.
COLB does NOT equal BC.
Yep...another attempt to snow “the people”....let’s see if it works.
This “release” is nothing. More of the same.
Here’s a period birth certificate.
I don’t get a Google hit on the address. Was that her parents’ address?
Certificate of Live Birth = long form
CertificaTION of Live Birth = short form
I think the document that excluded info about the hospital, etc. was the *Certification* of Live Birth (COLB). The problem with the COLB wasn’t the name, but the info excluded and the fact that it didn’t have any signatures from 1961.
Thanks you for stating/showing the obvious....it is NOT an original..
(box 11) Father: Birthplace - Kenya, East Africa
I have a birth certificate from Hawaii.
This is the Hawaii long form.
You (and Trump) confuse the terms.
Obama released prior to this a CertifiCATION of Live Birth.
Today he released a CertfiCATE of Live Birth. (That is the official name for the ‘long form birth certificate’.)
Good comment though on Smoking Gun:
No one has noticed the “M” in P.M. is a small font of a capital M. That would have been impossible on a manual typewriter. The keys could have created only a capital ‘M’ or small ‘m’, but not a smaller version of a capital M. Just sayin’.
It’s responses like this that put Obama back in the White House for 4 more years. The birthers were complete nutjobs and made the rest of us look bad. I’m just thrilled Obama was stupid enough to release it today and not in another 6 months.
At least now the birther movement can die on the vine and not have nearly the impact on the election. If he would have released this next year, it could have provided him with more wind at his sails.
But enough of the conspiracy nonsense.
Since the beginning of this issue the real question has been ignored. What is the legal definition of the term natural born citizen in the Constitution? Can you have two foreign born parents (but be born in America) and still be President? Or one foreign parent? Or do you need to be born of two American citizen parents as has been the definition for most of countrys history and was so at the time of our Founding.
This question you will notice is never addressed by the MSM at all, nor by even many alternative media outlets as well. The birth certificate issue has been set up as a smoke screen in order to deflect from this, the real question that needs to be answered.
A lawyer in New Jersey has tried to pursue this question legally but of course to no avail. It is an extremely important issue and should not be discarded or ridiculed. Here is his website explaining the issue:
We have today a democrat political party that has objectives to maintain open borders and grant amnesty to illegals entering this nation. This same political party would also like to eliminate the electoral college in order to have the mass population centers (cities) rule the voting process, and now also we have a movement on the left to do away the natural born citizen requirement in the Constitution thus allowing someone with foreign allegiances to become President. This is a prescription for the demise of our nation.
If you care about this nation and the rule of law then I implore you to address the real issue involving Presidential eligibility under the Constitution.
Actually, no "Texas Air National Guard" memos were faxed to CBS from that Kinkos - only cheeseball laughable fakes that fooled nobody except Dan Rather, his staff, and apparently, The Smoking Gun.
Someone answered the “M.” issue — it’s printed in the form itself. Clerk only types “A.” or “P.”
so because this was released this means their must be a original on file in hawaii. so let us see the original on the books in hawaii not a document generated from 2011
Couldn’t help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Nordyke births. Why aren’t their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.
This is true of course. Raised seal? This guy has the power to put his head on the currency like a Roman emporer if he wanted to. Hail to the yes he could have a seal made.
Huh? Read the big title text at the top of the document you linked to....
I notice that the Registrar from a few days before this cert. is a different person than “Ucklee” who signed Obama’s!
As in the movie "When Harry met Sally", this is . . .
“Good comment though on Smoking Gun: No one has noticed the M in P.M. is a small font of a capital M. That would have been impossible on a manual typewriter. The keys could have created only a capital M or small m, but not a smaller version of a capital M. Just sayin.”
It is plausible to me to think that they may have reserved the term “negro” for what are known today as “African Americans”, using continental designators for “African” or “Indian” or “Oriental”. But I don’t know this to be true.
Couldnt help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Nordyke births. Why arent their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.
Sorry. I meant:
Couldnt help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Obama birth. Why arent their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.
Nordyke twins born in same hospital but different attendant. Doctor’s name is the only real new information.
Why is SADO signing her name (Stanley) Ann? Didn’t she go by “Stannie” at the time? Never seen her sign that way.
If I were faking a doc though, I’d leave a few things like that in to keep the doubters doubting. Marginalizes them and doc wouldn’t look too ‘perfect’ to be believable. The reals ones are done hastily. And this might be legit. Let the experts weigh in.
Why wasn’t this released two or three years ago? It took 62% of Americans doubting to get a response? Officers going to jail wasn’t enough?
Trump taking credit for the win was a smart move. Libs will be gloating though. No doubt.
Bookmarked, FR style. Bump!
No. For time the form has a build in small “M.” The clerk just typed in “A.” or “P.” Makes sense if they use it on every form.
“Thanks you for stating/showing the obvious....it is NOT an original..”
Keep in mind, there is no such race as “African”. This is more of a modern day politically correct term. Besides, there’s lots of white Africans. Just ask those who live in South Africa. The term “African” does nothing to differentiate race.
Also keep in mind, this was in (supposedly) in 1961. The race would have been classified as either “Negro” or “Colored”. I’d like to see other period birth certificates listing “African” as race—like they’ll find even one.
And also don’t forget, the governor of Hawaii, several months ago proclaimed he was releasing the form to save his pal from criticizing—but yet, about a week later admitted the state couldn’t find it. Now—it must be a miracle! Truly magic.
But yet, this one presented as “original” was rubber stamped April 25, 2011 as “official” and even the guy’s name certifying it is rubber stamped—meaning even he didn’t have enough balls to actually sign off on it.
Issue still in play and now I truly believe he is a liar, fraud and an affront to the Constitution.
The answer is different clerks and they worked slower. At least that’s what’s been put forward.
Let them. Their guy flinched.
Wait...the date is 25 April 2011!!!!!
TigerClaws clears up “M” question in post 18. [sorry]
look at post 17 it looks like they all had the small M
Abstract in Merriam/Webster dictionary says:
1c - insufficiently factual
2 - expressing a quality apart from the original
4 - having only intrinsic form with little or no attempt at pictorial representation or narrative content.
Ok, something is bothering me.
The number on Obama’s birth certificate is 10641. Born 4-Augst
The number on the bc link you provided is 10637. Born 5-August
If she was born after him wouldn’t it make sense that her record number be higher than Obama’s?
This was a full court press on this issue. They have the document in hand. CNN runs a TWO PART series. CBS covers the CNN story! Then this press conference.
The only problem with the document would be the people (clerk and delivery doctor). Sure they covered that. Sure everything else is impossible to disprove. Legit? Maybe. Odd he waited years to produce this. But it’s a sharp political move.
Issue was obviously damaging Obama politically or he wouldn’t have responded. What does that show? Trump’s hard-hitting approach is the correct one and it’s useful having Trump taking the heat. Obama can be damaged politically by questioning his odd past. Trump can move on to grades, to the Indonesian records, etc.
BTW, if you look on the various sites a white Xerox copy of the document presented today was given to the press. Hawaii copied it from the volume (presumably) to regular paper. Then used the special watermark paper as well, which you can’t Xerox.
The fact that Hussein’s father was born in Kenya DISQUALIFIES The One as a Natural Born Citizen. The accepted definition of Natural Born is having parents WHO ARE CITIZENS, and being born IN THE U.S. Period.
The only thing I’d like to see is a couple of dozen other birth certificates of babies born to blacks in that hospital. In 1961 the only anthropometric measurements in the world of physical anthropology were Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. African is more of a nationality than a race.
Of course if a nurse was asking these questions as happened with all of my children, I can certainly see his mother responding with the term African rather than Negroid. It’s not like accuracy in this block on the form is of any great import.
I think suspicion of a conspiracy has been legitimate, up to this point. But with the release of what is apparently the genuine long-form birth certificate (until and unless anybody can prove - and I mean PROVE, NOT just speculate) that this is a fraud, the game changes significantly in my view.
Unfortunately, there are a lot of people whose minds are now so made up that they may not be swayed by even legitimate evidence. In that case, they run the danger of making those of us who have plenty of other good reasons to see want Obama collecting his Presidential pension look like nutjobs. IMO.
Trump’s a lurker....(g)
Post of the day!
This is a crystal clear admission that the father was not a US Citizen thus making the son ineligible to be POTUS, period.
Comparing this with the Nordyke COLB, Obama’s is missing this text at the bottom along with signatures:
“THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE RESEARCH, PLANNING AND STATISTICS OFFICE
HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH”
Instead Obamas has Onakas signature stamp indicating that it may also be an ABSTRACT.
It appears from my naked eyes that one document is being superimposed over another document that contains the signature stamp of Alvin Onaka (hint: look at the curling of the left-hand margin of the text field).
Are you saying that since the original BC was missing, that they printed up a new one in 2011? This is now his official BC? Or am I getting that wrong?
If The Donald does not make a big stink about this, it means he's a stalking-horse for Hussein, meant to inoculate him from further birth certificate inquiries.
BTW, if you look on the various sites a white Xerox copy of the document presented today was given to the press. Hawaii copied it from the volume (presumably) to regular paper. Then used the special watermark paper as well, which you cant Xerox.
Obamas COLB is missing this text at the bottom along with signatures:
THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE RESEARCH, PLANNING AND STATISTICS OFFICE
HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH
Instead Obamas has Onakas signature stamp indicating that it may also be an ABSTRACT.
Look at the “date accepted stamp” It shows his was accepted 3 days before the Nordyke certificates. Since they actually finished Obama’s first and was born a day before them it follows he should have the earlier number. He doesn’t.
“Unfortunately, there are a lot of people whose minds are now so made up that they may not be swayed by even legitimate evidence.”
Unfortunately for the democrats. I know a former democrat who will never believe Obama is American. Too long to respond. As for republicans, there has always been a group of thought control freaks trying to supress curiosity. They are the ones who will harm conservatism more through their criticism of fellow conservatives.