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Smoking Gun: Will Release Of Obama's Purported Birth Certificate Give Rise To New "Certer" Movement?
The Smoking Gun ^ | April 27, 2011

Posted on 04/27/2011 7:39:09 AM PDT by Zakeet

This morning’s White House release of President Barack Obama’s long form birth certificate will, of course, do little to derail the “birther” movement, which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene.

So here’s a few nutty points about the birth certificate sure to be seized upon by the nonbelievers:

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; colbfake; eligibility; obama
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1 posted on 04/27/2011 7:39:15 AM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Obama’s people have had over 3 years to FORGE 336 characters/certificate marks. So you have over three days per letter to work on it. It needs to be scrutinized and verified. It legitimate to ask other questions given the delay.


2 posted on 04/27/2011 7:40:43 AM PDT by SonsOfLibertyII
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To: Zakeet

When was “African” a race?


3 posted on 04/27/2011 7:42:31 AM PDT by Robert Lomax
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To: SonsOfLibertyII

What am I missing here?

The new doc release says on top Certificate of Live Birth, or COLB.

We have been demanding, and are demanding, and will always demand the Long Form Birth Certificate, or BC.

COLB does NOT equal BC.


4 posted on 04/27/2011 7:44:14 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: C210N

Yep...another attempt to snow “the people”....let’s see if it works.


5 posted on 04/27/2011 7:45:46 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Zakeet

This “release” is nothing. More of the same.

Here’s a period birth certificate.

http://media-files.gather.com/images/d820/d840/d746/d224/d96/f3/full.jpg


6 posted on 04/27/2011 7:46:20 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Zakeet

I don’t get a Google hit on the address. Was that her parents’ address?


7 posted on 04/27/2011 7:47:01 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: C210N

Certificate of Live Birth = long form

CertificaTION of Live Birth = short form


8 posted on 04/27/2011 7:48:46 AM PDT by ConjunctionJunction
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To: C210N

I think the document that excluded info about the hospital, etc. was the *Certification* of Live Birth (COLB). The problem with the COLB wasn’t the name, but the info excluded and the fact that it didn’t have any signatures from 1961.


9 posted on 04/27/2011 7:49:03 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Thanks you for stating/showing the obvious....it is NOT an original..


10 posted on 04/27/2011 7:49:39 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Zakeet

(box 11) Father: Birthplace - Kenya, East Africa


11 posted on 04/27/2011 7:49:46 AM PDT by Bi-ped Carbon Unit (Paid, non-lawyer spokesperson)
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To: C210N

I have a birth certificate from Hawaii.
This is the Hawaii long form.


12 posted on 04/27/2011 7:50:10 AM PDT by kaila
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To: C210N

You (and Trump) confuse the terms.

Obama released prior to this a CertifiCATION of Live Birth.

Today he released a CertfiCATE of Live Birth. (That is the official name for the ‘long form birth certificate’.)

Good comment though on Smoking Gun:

No one has noticed the “M” in P.M. is a small font of a capital M. That would have been impossible on a manual typewriter. The keys could have created only a capital ‘M’ or small ‘m’, but not a smaller version of a capital M. Just sayin’.


13 posted on 04/27/2011 7:50:46 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: SonsOfLibertyII

It’s responses like this that put Obama back in the White House for 4 more years. The birthers were complete nutjobs and made the rest of us look bad. I’m just thrilled Obama was stupid enough to release it today and not in another 6 months.

At least now the birther movement can die on the vine and not have nearly the impact on the election. If he would have released this next year, it could have provided him with more wind at his sails.

But enough of the conspiracy nonsense.


14 posted on 04/27/2011 7:51:51 AM PDT by SideoutFred (B.O. Stinks...it really does)
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To: Zakeet

Since the beginning of this issue the real question has been ignored. What is the legal definition of the term ‘natural born citizen’ in the Constitution? Can you have two foreign born parents (but be born in America) and still be President? Or one foreign parent? Or do you need to be born of two American citizen parents as has been the definition for most of country’s history and was so at the time of our Founding.

This question you will notice is never addressed by the MSM at all, nor by even many alternative media outlets as well. The birth certificate issue has been set up as a smoke screen in order to deflect from this, the real question that needs to be answered.

A lawyer in New Jersey has tried to pursue this question legally but of course to no avail. It is an extremely important issue and should not be discarded or ridiculed. Here is his website explaining the issue:

http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/

We have today a democrat political party that has objectives to maintain open borders and grant amnesty to illegal’s entering this nation. This same political party would also like to eliminate the electoral college in order to have the mass population centers (cities) rule the voting process, and now also we have a movement on the left to do away the ‘natural born citizen’ requirement in the Constitution thus allowing someone with foreign allegiances to become President. This is a prescription for the demise of our nation.

If you care about this nation and the rule of law then I implore you to address the real issue involving Presidential eligibility under the Constitution.


15 posted on 04/27/2011 7:52:38 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Zakeet
which will now analyze the document with the kind of verve previously directed toward those Texas Air National Guard memos faxed to CBS from that Kinko’s in Abilene

Actually, no "Texas Air National Guard" memos were faxed to CBS from that Kinkos - only cheeseball laughable fakes that fooled nobody except Dan Rather, his staff, and apparently, The Smoking Gun.

16 posted on 04/27/2011 7:52:40 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Zakeet
Which is fake? Photobucket Photobucket Photobucket
17 posted on 04/27/2011 7:54:13 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: TigerClaws

Someone answered the “M.” issue — it’s printed in the form itself. Clerk only types “A.” or “P.”


18 posted on 04/27/2011 7:55:46 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: SonsOfLibertyII

so because this was released this means their must be a original on file in hawaii. so let us see the original on the books in hawaii not a document generated from 2011


19 posted on 04/27/2011 7:56:31 AM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: mojitojoe

Couldn’t help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Nordyke births. Why aren’t their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.


20 posted on 04/27/2011 7:58:26 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: SonsOfLibertyII

This is true of course. Raised seal? This guy has the power to put his head on the currency like a Roman emporer if he wanted to. Hail to the yes he could have a seal made.


21 posted on 04/27/2011 7:58:48 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Huh? Read the big title text at the top of the document you linked to....


22 posted on 04/27/2011 7:59:03 AM PDT by trozz
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To: WKUHilltopper

I notice that the Registrar from a few days before this cert. is a different person than “Ucklee” who signed Obama’s!


23 posted on 04/27/2011 7:59:33 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: Zakeet

As in the movie "When Harry met Sally", this is . . .

24 posted on 04/27/2011 7:59:56 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: TigerClaws; Uncle Chip; TigersEye; wintertime; Fred Nerks; circumbendibus; editor-surveyor; manc; ..

Intriguing, TigerClaws.

“Good comment though on Smoking Gun: No one has noticed the “M” in P.M. is a small font of a capital M. That would have been impossible on a manual typewriter. The keys could have created only a capital ‘M’ or small ‘m’, but not a smaller version of a capital M. Just sayin’.”


25 posted on 04/27/2011 8:00:03 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Robert Lomax

It is plausible to me to think that they may have reserved the term “negro” for what are known today as “African Americans”, using continental designators for “African” or “Indian” or “Oriental”. But I don’t know this to be true.


26 posted on 04/27/2011 8:00:37 AM PDT by ichabod1 (Hail Mary Full of Grace, The Lord Is With Thee...)
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To: marstegreg

Couldn’t help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Nordyke births. Why aren’t their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.

Sorry. I meant:

Couldn’t help noticing that the Nordyke births occurred the day AFTER the Obama birth. Why aren’t their certificate numbers AFTER his also? I smell a rat.


27 posted on 04/27/2011 8:01:13 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: mojitojoe

Nordyke twins born in same hospital but different attendant. Doctor’s name is the only real new information.

Why is SADO signing her name (Stanley) Ann? Didn’t she go by “Stannie” at the time? Never seen her sign that way.

If I were faking a doc though, I’d leave a few things like that in to keep the doubters doubting. Marginalizes them and doc wouldn’t look too ‘perfect’ to be believable. The reals ones are done hastily. And this might be legit. Let the experts weigh in.

Why wasn’t this released two or three years ago? It took 62% of Americans doubting to get a response? Officers going to jail wasn’t enough?

Trump taking credit for the win was a smart move. Libs will be gloating though. No doubt.


28 posted on 04/27/2011 8:01:17 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Zakeet

Bookmarked, FR style. Bump!


29 posted on 04/27/2011 8:02:28 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

No. For time the form has a build in small “M.” The clerk just typed in “A.” or “P.” Makes sense if they use it on every form.


30 posted on 04/27/2011 8:03:00 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: ken5050

“Thanks you for stating/showing the obvious....it is NOT an original..”

You’re welcome.

Keep in mind, there is no such race as “African”. This is more of a modern day politically correct term. Besides, there’s lots of white Africans. Just ask those who live in South Africa. The term “African” does nothing to differentiate race.

Also keep in mind, this was in (supposedly) in 1961. The race would have been classified as either “Negro” or “Colored”. I’d like to see other period birth certificates listing “African” as race—like they’ll find even one.

And also don’t forget, the governor of Hawaii, several months ago proclaimed he was releasing the form to save his pal from criticizing—but yet, about a week later admitted the state couldn’t find it. Now—it must be a miracle! Truly magic.

But yet, this one presented as “original” was rubber stamped April 25, 2011 as “official” and even the guy’s name certifying it is rubber stamped—meaning even he didn’t have enough balls to actually sign off on it.

Issue still in play and now I truly believe he is a liar, fraud and an affront to the Constitution.


31 posted on 04/27/2011 8:04:25 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: marstegreg

The answer is different clerks and they worked slower. At least that’s what’s been put forward.


32 posted on 04/27/2011 8:04:39 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: TigerClaws
Libs will be gloating though. No doubt.

Let them. Their guy flinched.

33 posted on 04/27/2011 8:04:45 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: mojitojoe

Wait...the date is 25 April 2011!!!!!


34 posted on 04/27/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Zakeet; Uncle Chip; TigersEye; wintertime; Fred Nerks; circumbendibus; editor-surveyor; manc; ...

TigerClaws clears up “M” question in post 18. [sorry]


35 posted on 04/27/2011 8:07:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

look at post 17 it looks like they all had the small M


36 posted on 04/27/2011 8:08:01 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Zakeet
The Key is the wording at the bottom.
Nordyke one says "true and CORRECT copy".
Obama one says "true copy or ABSTRACT".

Abstract in Merriam/Webster dictionary says:
1c - insufficiently factual
2 - expressing a quality apart from the original
4 - having only intrinsic form with little or no attempt at pictorial representation or narrative content.

37 posted on 04/27/2011 8:08:03 AM PDT by LivingNet
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To: WKUHilltopper

Ok, something is bothering me.

The number on Obama’s birth certificate is 10641. Born 4-Augst
The number on the bc link you provided is 10637. Born 5-August

If she was born after him wouldn’t it make sense that her record number be higher than Obama’s?


38 posted on 04/27/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (The more the plans fail the more the planners plan - Ronald Reagan)
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To: WKUHilltopper

This was a full court press on this issue. They have the document in hand. CNN runs a TWO PART series. CBS covers the CNN story! Then this press conference.

The only problem with the document would be the people (clerk and delivery doctor). Sure they covered that. Sure everything else is impossible to disprove. Legit? Maybe. Odd he waited years to produce this. But it’s a sharp political move.

Issue was obviously damaging Obama politically or he wouldn’t have responded. What does that show? Trump’s hard-hitting approach is the correct one and it’s useful having Trump taking the heat. Obama can be damaged politically by questioning his odd past. Trump can move on to grades, to the Indonesian records, etc.

BTW, if you look on the various sites a white Xerox copy of the document presented today was given to the press. Hawaii copied it from the volume (presumably) to regular paper. Then used the special watermark paper as well, which you can’t Xerox.


39 posted on 04/27/2011 8:10:23 AM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Zakeet

The fact that Hussein’s father was born in Kenya DISQUALIFIES The One as a Natural Born Citizen. The accepted definition of Natural Born is having parents WHO ARE CITIZENS, and being born IN THE U.S. Period.

go to: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35523


40 posted on 04/27/2011 8:10:33 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Zakeet

The only thing I’d like to see is a couple of dozen other birth certificates of babies born to blacks in that hospital. In 1961 the only anthropometric measurements in the world of physical anthropology were Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid. African is more of a nationality than a race.

Of course if a nurse was asking these questions as happened with all of my children, I can certainly see his mother responding with the term African rather than Negroid. It’s not like accuracy in this block on the form is of any great import.

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41 posted on 04/27/2011 8:10:39 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: SideoutFred
But enough of the conspiracy nonsense.

I think suspicion of a conspiracy has been legitimate, up to this point. But with the release of what is apparently the genuine long-form birth certificate (until and unless anybody can prove - and I mean PROVE, NOT just speculate) that this is a fraud, the game changes significantly in my view.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people whose minds are now so made up that they may not be swayed by even legitimate evidence. In that case, they run the danger of making those of us who have plenty of other good reasons to see want Obama collecting his Presidential pension look like nutjobs. IMO.

42 posted on 04/27/2011 8:11:00 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: WKUHilltopper

Trump’s a lurker....(g)


43 posted on 04/27/2011 8:12:23 AM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: TheBigIf

Post of the day!

This is a crystal clear admission that the father was not a US Citizen thus making the son ineligible to be POTUS, period.


44 posted on 04/27/2011 8:12:23 AM PDT by GOPsterinMA (Some men DO just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Zakeet; All

Comparing this with the Nordyke COLB, Obama’s is missing this text at the bottom along with signatures:

“THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE RESEARCH, PLANNING AND STATISTICS OFFICE

HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH”

Instead Obama’s has Onaka’s signature stamp indicating that it may also be an ABSTRACT.

It appears from my naked eyes that one document is being superimposed over another document that contains the signature stamp of Alvin Onaka (hint: look at the curling of the left-hand margin of the text field).


45 posted on 04/27/2011 8:12:35 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: WKUHilltopper

Are you saying that since the original BC was missing, that they printed up a new one in 2011? This is now his official BC? Or am I getting that wrong?


46 posted on 04/27/2011 8:13:26 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Zakeet
Obama didn't release anything new. He released the same old COLB.

If The Donald does not make a big stink about this, it means he's a stalking-horse for Hussein, meant to inoculate him from further birth certificate inquiries.

47 posted on 04/27/2011 8:14:47 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (When and why did Steve Dunham change his name to Barack Hussein Obama? When he converted to Islam?)
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To: TigerClaws

BTW, if you look on the various sites a white Xerox copy of the document presented today was given to the press. Hawaii copied it from the volume (presumably) to regular paper. Then used the special watermark paper as well, which you can’t Xerox.

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Obama’s COLB is missing this text at the bottom along with signatures:

“THIS CERTIFIES THAT THE ABOVE IS A TRUE AND CORRECT COPY OF THE ORIGINAL RECORD ON FILE IN THE RESEARCH, PLANNING AND STATISTICS OFFICE

HAWAII STATE DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH”

Instead Obama’s has Onaka’s signature stamp indicating that it may also be an ABSTRACT.


48 posted on 04/27/2011 8:15:43 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: TigerClaws

Look at the “date accepted stamp” It shows his was accepted 3 days before the Nordyke certificates. Since they actually finished Obama’s first and was born a day before them it follows he should have the earlier number. He doesn’t.


49 posted on 04/27/2011 8:16:56 AM PDT by marstegreg
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To: Jeff Winston

“Unfortunately, there are a lot of people whose minds are now so made up that they may not be swayed by even legitimate evidence.”

Unfortunately for the democrats. I know a former democrat who will never believe Obama is American. Too long to respond. As for republicans, there has always been a group of thought control freaks trying to supress curiosity. They are the ones who will harm conservatism more through their criticism of fellow conservatives.


50 posted on 04/27/2011 8:17:02 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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