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Obama's BC says it's an "abstract," it's on modern computer paper, and it's dated "April 25 2011."
April 27, 2011 | me

Posted on 04/27/2011 8:58:36 AM PDT by grundle

I don't consider myself to be a "birther," but I am not a fool either.

The document that Obama released today says that it is an "abstract" of the record on file.

In law, an "abstract" is defined as "a brief statement that contains the most important points of a long legal document or of several related legal papers."

So it's not the actual form.

Also, it's printed on modern computer paper.

And it's dated "April 25 2011."

TOPICS: Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; naturalborncitizen; obama; officialbcrelease
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To: ilovesarah2012

So, this is the same birth certificate, that, didn’t exist, and no one could find. How come, all of a sudden, it shows up out of nowhere. How can such a thing be?

61 posted on 04/27/2011 9:48:22 AM PDT by stefeb
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To: marstegreg

Zoom in by 5x.

What is all the whitespace around all the words. Copy / Scanner artifacts?

62 posted on 04/27/2011 9:54:53 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: grundle

It’s a total forgery:

63 posted on 04/27/2011 9:59:42 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: grundle

How come there isn’t a raised seal on what is supposed to be a certified copy or abstract of the original? The Registrar has signed it verifying it as a copy. Shouldn’t a raised seal be on it as well? I just checked the two copies I have of my birth record, and both have a raised seal. I had to request those when I wanted to apply for a passport, because my original birth certificate from 1947, which was issued by the Health Department in Rochester, NY, had a seal, but it wasn’t raised.

64 posted on 04/27/2011 9:59:51 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: Milton Miteybad
Trouble is Milton? There's an argument on whether that applies. According to one (assuredly lib)legal scholar, in the Michigan Law Review. Now, the source is wiki, but I could see them making this argument:

In a 2008 article published by the Michigan Law Review Lawrence Solum, Professor of Law at the University of Illinois, stated that "[t]here is general agreement on the core of [the] meaning [of the Presidential Eligibility Clause]. Anyone born on American soil whose parents are citizens of the United States is a 'natural born citizen'".[21] In April 2010 Solum republished the same article as an online draft, in which he changed his opinion on the meaning of natural born citizen to include persons born in the United States of one American citizen parent. In a footnote he explained that "[b]ased on my reading of the historical sources, there is no credible case that a person born on American soil with one American parent was clearly not a 'natural born citizen.'" He further extended natural born citizenship to all cases of jus soli as the "conventional view".[22],

Not saying I agree, but this will be the argument.

65 posted on 04/27/2011 10:02:41 AM PDT by Braak (The US Military, the real arms inspectors!)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
Any idea why the old typewriter font appears on the modern security paper?

Assuming the original does exist bound into a book, as has been claimed, it was scanned and printed on security paper. The bend at the left margin of the image is exactly what you get when you scan from a book.

66 posted on 04/27/2011 10:03:36 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: mikrofon

Someone on Facebook posted that very thing...U K L Lee...ukulele......??? Huh?.....the finger to all of us stupid people perhaps? Obama thinks he is so clever something like that wouldn’t be “beneath” him to do....

67 posted on 04/27/2011 10:09:14 AM PDT by imfrmdixie (A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both. Eisenhower)
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To: everyone

I usually don’t pay much attention to forensics, but it looks suspicious to me.

Is it just me, or does it look like a physically transparent document laid over modern computer paper? (The paper pattern is visible BENEATH the data fields).

What’s up with that? I’ve never seen anything like that bekore.

And by the way, the document states that Barack Obama Sr. was born in “Kenya, East Africa.” So unless Obama Sr. later became a U.S. citizen, the POSOTUS is not NBC and is not prez.

The second document doesn’t contain anything really new and, so far as it’s accurate, convicts Obama of treason yet again.

Leo Donofrio seemed very pessimistic. I’m not sure why. The “new” document doesn’t settle anything.

God Save the First Republic (1789 to 2009).

68 posted on 04/27/2011 10:09:44 AM PDT by Art II Sec 1
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To: grundle

From the .pdf document

/CreationDate (D:20110427120924Z00’00’)

The actual .pdf was created on 4-27-2011 at 12:09:24 Z, but the document is dated as having been signed by the officials on 4-25-2011

69 posted on 04/27/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Sacajaweau

Mine also has a raised State Seal and the declaration: “This is a true and correct copy of the official record on file in this office.” Now, that being said, in 1961 the race of the father would not have been listed as “Africian”. It would have read “Negro”. Therefore this is NOT a copy of the original IMHO.

70 posted on 04/27/2011 10:13:19 AM PDT by mc5cents (Government doesn't solve problems, it subsidizes them. -- Ronald Reagan)
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To: grundle

It’s a certified copy of a document. It’s what you would get in most states if you lost your birth certificates and needed an “official copy” for some reason, such as getting a passport. They photocopy the orginal document, then the copy is signed (and maybe sealed) by the appropriate official and is stamped with the date on which he signed it.

71 posted on 04/27/2011 10:14:23 AM PDT by blau993
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To: Voter#537
"race of father? African?"

Surely, this must be pretty easy to solve...are their other "Africans" born in Hawaii during this time period? Could we see their birth certificates, and see what they have for race?

72 posted on 04/27/2011 10:16:52 AM PDT by Lou L (The Senate without a fillibuster is just a 100-member version of the House.)
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To: Kleon


You hate “the stupid crap you read here,” yet you are here to read it.

Aren’t there some hand-me-outs and walking around money you should be picking up?

73 posted on 04/27/2011 10:17:02 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (BHO II naturalized as U.S. Citizen after becoming an Indonesian National)
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To: ClearCase_guy

The white halo should not be there. Also if it is a “scanned and photocopied” document it would be a solid image file. There would not be a clipping mask with removable text when opened in Illustrator.

74 posted on 04/27/2011 10:20:22 AM PDT by eyrish69 (Yellowstone Wolves - Smoke a Pack a Day!!!)
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To: grundle

When did that kind of paper become available and used by the State of Hawaii?

75 posted on 04/27/2011 10:23:28 AM PDT by airedale
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To: IMR 4350
Here's the problem I have. The mother is supposed to be in HI to sign this doc on 8/7/61, yet she is placed in Washington state roughly one maybe two weeks later. In 1961 that would be virtually impossible, especially with a newborn.

So that would definitely rule out Kenyan birth then.
76 posted on 04/27/2011 10:24:18 AM PDT by FewsOrange
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To: Braak

Sure. It’s not a completely baseless argument. And that’s a decision a court needs to render: what exactly is a natural born citizen within the context of Article II, Section 1?

77 posted on 04/27/2011 10:34:55 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Kleon

“Note that the green security lines don’t bend when the black lines do.

Because the green security lines aren’t original, but part of the paper it was printed on.”


your explanation does not make any sense. how can you print one document onto another without the original blocking out whole portions of the underlying paper? in other words, if the BC had been printed on green security paper, the BC would have to be transparent in order for the green security paper to show through? right??? can someone expand?

78 posted on 04/27/2011 10:35:14 AM PDT by matt1
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To: grundle

I expect this from the lamestream media and moveon.crap:

Me KnO obama. oBamA wEre bOrn Haer.
ThiS Berth SertifakiT is Jen youwine.
Yoo make hayt speech iF yoo say hE not born hear.
BorN in 1961 in sumer, how mini timez?

79 posted on 04/27/2011 10:35:50 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: matt1
your explanation does not make any sense. how can you print one document onto another without the original blocking out whole portions of the underlying paper?

Simple. The security paper comes in blank sheets. Take a blank piece of security paper, load it in a copier, and then make your copy of the original.

80 posted on 04/27/2011 10:38:40 AM PDT by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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