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PDF Layers in Obama’s Birth Certificate ( NRO: Much ado about nothing)
http://www.nationalreview.com/ ^ | April 27 2011 | Nathan Goulding

Posted on 04/27/2011 4:09:51 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

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To: Steve Van Doorn

Good thought, however touch-ups done in graphic programs are usually done to an existing element. In other words, if these were touch-ups, the text would most likely also exist in the main text layer. A close watching of the following video shows this is NOT the case:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVIei87oFo

There’s another important issue here which has not been addressed. The text is curved at the appropriate place at left. This makes no sense whatsoever for a document “constructed” by somebody typing in text. Who would first type in text, put it in a book, photograph it, then mix that curved graphic image with other (typed in) letters? Ignoring the enormous needless effort you would spend doing things, you couldn’t possibly get a good result that way.

It just makes no sense. No, the right explanation is the simple one: the layers were created by a software program trying to make sense of, and do OCR on, a scanned image.


51 posted on 04/27/2011 7:23:02 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: reegs

Thanks for doing that experiment, reegs.


52 posted on 04/27/2011 7:25:12 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: calex59

Wow, I was really feeling down after wasting so much of my time worrying about this stupid issue for 3 years. But, that was before your “glass half-full” post.

You make a great point and this fight is far from over and Obummer has revealed a chink in his armor. Soldier on my optimistic FRiend


53 posted on 04/27/2011 7:27:06 PM PDT by JerseyDvl (Sometimes the road less traveled.... is less traveled for a reason.)
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To: JerseyDvl
...I, myself, have wasted a great deal of time and worry on the issue.

More than anything, I am pissed at this President’s snobby and elitist attitude towards the public in regards to this issue. He’s done nothing but play games and continues to laugh his ass off as he screws America at every turn.

Oh, gosh. Honestly, Obama has basically STOLEN a significant part of my time and attention from me this week (and previously, too) by not releasing this damn certificate about 2 years ago.

Honestly, I was thinking YESTERDAY about writing an article for the newspaper about the legitimacy of "birther" questions. I've spent hours today trying to sort out the truth from all of the fiction and speculation that's been flying around.

So yeah, he has been and undoubtedly still is laughing his ass off. At guess whose expense?

54 posted on 04/27/2011 7:31:40 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: cartan
I checked the properties of that PDF and it was created with the producer: Mac OS X 10.6.7 Quartz PDFContext.

More analysis here

55 posted on 04/27/2011 8:02:03 PM PDT by thecraw (God allows evil. God allowed Barry to usurp the highest office in the land. God will not be mocked.)
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To: reegs

That is very interesting. Notice your layers have a number of over lap layers. The original has no over lapping at all


56 posted on 04/27/2011 8:06:00 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I would attribute that to mine being a scan of a printed version of the White House provided PDF which may be a 3rd or 4th generation scan of the original document. My scan settings may have also been different from the scan that was created for the original PDF.


57 posted on 04/27/2011 8:10:11 PM PDT by reegs
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To: Jeff Winston
Take a look at this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2711579/replies?c=17

notice the lines not even a trace of evidence anyplace on the paper. If that were possible I would have to say that is the best program ever made.

58 posted on 04/27/2011 8:18:36 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: reegs
interesting
Take a look at this post:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2711579/replies?c=17

Do you notice something odd about this?

59 posted on 04/27/2011 8:23:32 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: All

My question is why didn’t he produce it from day one..??????????????????? Why the stupid game if he had it all the while ?


60 posted on 04/27/2011 8:30:23 PM PDT by sonic109 (OBAMA IS A TROJAN HORSE)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

I’m not sure what you’re saying, Steve. If you’re saying it must be fake because it has no lines in it, there’s also a very simple explanation for that. According to the documentation we have, the copies were hand delivered by the DOH to Obama’s representative, not mailed. So no lines is not particularly surprising.

The big thing is the letter from the Director of Hawaii’s Department of Health testifying to the certificate’s authenticity. Anyone wanting to prove a fraud needs to somehow get past that.

But maybe you were saying something else.


61 posted on 04/27/2011 8:33:56 PM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Nope... nothing odd about that. My PDF of the scan of the printed BC did the same thing. You could select and move/hide/delete most of the black text and form boxes. A few artifacts were left behind as is shown in the animated GIF in that post.


62 posted on 04/27/2011 8:46:54 PM PDT by reegs
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To: sonic109
I was asking the same thing. There is no there, there. Why now ?
There still is the matter of dual allegiance because of his father.

If the BC issue goes away, so does the dual allegiance, plus, it might stop the states from enacting “NBC” laws.

63 posted on 04/27/2011 9:32:08 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: reegs

There is a lot more on my links.
If you had looked at them.

Which debunk your one point.

To people that use Adobe this is a forgery.
Obama’s new Birth Certificate - Proven to be altered and changed, Now Just More Questions?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9CSvGrT0uM

President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF has Layers - FAKE! (mirror)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-gDH5z0PKI
Obama’s Long Form Certificate of Birth Certificate is a Forgery ~ 04-27-11
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQkulIT7iL
This guy tried to get multiple layers from a scanned in document. Couldn’t.

White House Birth Certificate is Forgery? 2 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPX33ZNdmlo

Obama’s Birth Certificate Is 100% Fake? Professional Graphics Designer Agrees It’s A Fake 1 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCMxVbPCPBY

Why does President Obama’s Birth Certificate PDF Have Layers? 3 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLTtengEvwk

Obama’s Birth Certificate Exposed Debunked as a Layered, Photoshopped, Fraud Hoax? 4 of 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

Obama Birth Certificate Scam? 2011-04-27 Obama.mp4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eOfYwYyS_c


64 posted on 04/27/2011 9:37:19 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Obummer dumber than a teleprompter.)
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To: reegs

Why would Obama spend millions to hide this document and have military men locked up over it that asked Obama to produce it? BTW, this is a Certificate of Live Birth and not a Birth Certificate. Look at the top of the form.

You know in your heart that this doesn’t add up.


65 posted on 04/27/2011 9:41:07 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Jeff Winston

You could have saved a lot of that time by using the same reasoning you have shown tonight.

Obama said he had a certificate. Having said that, it was almost a certainty that there was a certificate. In fact, everything he did since the start could easily be interpreted as a guy who knew he had the goods, but wanted to let his opponents hang themselves until the opportune moment.

Sure, it was annoying. But it only took one person to push to the conclusion. For example, I left room for the possibility that something was wrong with Obama’s birth, but put no effort into caring about it or investigating. And here we are, and Trump did the work for me. And I’d dare say I had as much to do with the result as you did, with all the work you did, or any of the other freepers who spent so much time on the issue.

I’m not criticizing you. It was your life to use as you wished. I’m just saying that, unlike the CBS forgeries, where it was clear there could be a reason for trying to deceive, and the result was so important that it had to be dealt with, in this case there was almost no chance of turning out otherwise, and it was going to come out whether I worried about it or not.

I think Obama played us. It’s not the first time. It’s a classic manuever to keep the scent off real issues — set up a straw man, feed it, nurture it, and then swat it down when it’s politically helpful to do so.

As Palin said, it’s a distraction from the real issues of the day. And it played into Obama’s hands today, with the help of his media.


66 posted on 04/27/2011 9:42:14 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Jeff Winston; JerseyDvl

“Oh, gosh. Honestly, Obama has basically STOLEN a significant part of my time and attention from me this week (and previously, too) by not releasing this damn certificate about 2 years ago.”

DITTOS. I have wasted too much time debunking false birther claims, trying to convince people that the dregs of evidence showed he was born in Honolulu. Now he releases this - proving what we already ‘knew’ and the thought is: What took you so long? He could have collapsed the birther movement a long time back!

Can we please move on?

Here’s a mantra to keep you focussed:
Obama may be American-born, but America will kick his butt out of office in November 2012!


67 posted on 04/27/2011 9:45:01 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Sprite518

Well, we all know that over the past 2 years, Obama could have the best forgery possibly made and needed it now to quell the debate which had really caught fire once Trump got in the game. However, I think it’s more likely that Obama’s a narcissistic prick who will only play the game by his own rules and if peoples’ reputations are destroyed, so be it. From what I understand, he seemed out of sorts and embarrassed at his presser this morning (I didn’t see it), so his being forced to produce a birth certificate I believe was very difficult for him.


68 posted on 04/27/2011 9:56:57 PM PDT by reegs
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To: Jeff Winston
In fact, when it comes to the layers, it would’ve been a lot easier for them to just produce a fake certificate and scan a flat image than it would have for them to go to the lengths you describe. So that leaves the scenario you describe probably quite unlikely. If they were going to fake it, why not hide the changes in a flat image? Far, far easier, and fewer questions asked.

Were I a tinfoil hatter, I would suggest that this was done because they put their finger to the wind and decided most of the electorate was "anti-birther". So what more strategic move than to finally release the long-awaited BC with (oopsy!!) hidden flaws, thus portraying those who find those flaws as hair-splitting extremists with nothing better to do...while "sensible" people see the whole issue as "settled" and the so-called birthers as even more extreme than they were before.

69 posted on 04/27/2011 9:57:21 PM PDT by Ackackadack
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To: cruise_missile

Outstanding Post! Thanks!


70 posted on 04/27/2011 9:58:14 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
Something appear a little funny to everybody? A man and a political party spend more than 1 million dollars trying to keep from having to show that this guy is elligible when it could be this simple? Reserve judgement. There are still things wrong. Wait! I have a feeling there is more coming. Why would he and a political party spend more than three years and all that money trying to keep from having to do something this simple? It doesn’t add up and I don’t trust them.

This.

71 posted on 04/27/2011 10:05:49 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: Talisker

It’s not nonsense: you’re simply ignorant of the tools.

If I were to scan and clean my Ohio birth certificate using Photoshop and Illustrator, it would turn out with all the same layers and variations displayed in the copy being presented to us by the White House.

I’ve done exactly the same thing with documents and photos, as have tens of thousands of graphics designers and editors around the world.

Mind you, I’m not making a judgement of the content or the validity of presenting it this way (i.e. cleaning it up, which I think was stupid to do), only the process.


72 posted on 04/27/2011 10:05:52 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: cruise_missile

Just like many of these people, I did the same thing: I downloaded the White House supplied birth certificate, opened it in Illustrator and was amazed that this layering was included in the PDF.

However, I wanted to prove to myself that this isn’t just a result of scanning directly to PDF. I then printed out the birth certificate, placed it on my copier at work, scanned it as a PDF which is sent electronically via email to my work PC.

I downloaded the PDF scan of the printed birth certificate in Illustrator and found that my PDF shared many similar layers. I could take the stamp at the bottom of the document and move it around, etc.

All I can tell you is what I have experienced for myself.


73 posted on 04/27/2011 10:06:10 PM PDT by reegs
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To: Jeff Winston
The director may have very well stated that he sent a valid and legal copy but there is no proof that what obama received or presented himself is THAT valid copy.

That is why there is a SEAL on the paper itself, it is the seal which proves authenticity, sot someones statement that there is an authentic copy somewhere.

74 posted on 04/27/2011 10:12:27 PM PDT by dglang
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To: dglang

I don’t see a seal on this document.


75 posted on 04/27/2011 10:29:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Are you a principled patriot, or a political bookie? You can't be both.)
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To: cruise_missile

Video 4 of 4 was the best.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeSzXcv3nXk

At 1:30, the “shading” that simulates a book page in a binder disappears with the safety paper layer. It’s not even part of the “scan” from the original document as you would expect if you were scanning a photocopy. It appears the shaded edge was photoshopped in with the phony safety paper.

Most of the news outlets posted the document with the edges cropped so the shading looked more realistic. This whole page document is just weird. Think about it: where does the shading come from?


76 posted on 04/27/2011 10:33:37 PM PDT by TenthAmendmentChampion (Darwinism is to Genesis as Global Warming is to Revelations.)
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To: gusty

What the heck are you talking about? Were you alive during the Clinton years? There were supposed conspiracies everywhere. That does not mean some of them weren’t true.


77 posted on 04/27/2011 10:40:29 PM PDT by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: reegs

I’m listening to you. Keep the logic commin’


78 posted on 04/27/2011 10:43:53 PM PDT by Marie (Obama seems to think that Jerusalem has been the capital of Israel since Camp David, not King David)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion
Thanks for looking at them. I agree with what you posted.

There is more things wrong than the “layering” issue.

People should watch the movie “Catch Me If You Can.”
This would be child's play for that guy.

79 posted on 04/27/2011 10:49:49 PM PDT by cruise_missile (Obummer dumber than a teleprompter.)
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To: reegs; RummyChick

Maybe you can answer this... Why would the left edge appear to be bent? Simple answer is that there is a page attached to this long form, in front of the page we see. That is not the only document attached to that birth certificate. There is more. That might not even be the LEGALLY VALID version of the “long form” it might be something else entirely! My long form is a single sheet, not in a book or stapled to anything else! The one pictured isn’t. What do you think? Is there some simpler explanation? There is more than one page to Obamas long form!! Ok, shoot me down in flames guys n gals !


80 posted on 04/27/2011 10:52:50 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: vortigern

The ‘manipulation’ was they scanned in the document with OCR settings on, that’s all.


81 posted on 04/27/2011 10:54:38 PM PDT by WOSG
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Ping to post mah friend!


82 posted on 04/27/2011 10:59:12 PM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: EternalVigilance
I didn't mean to say that there was a seal on THAT document but that the reason for a seal being on any document is to prove whatever ‘that’ document may be is valid.

A standalone paper unattached to any document means nothing. Likewise a simple easily duplicated stamp or printing also proves nothing. It is only a stamping created by an engraved and not easily forge-able instrument that will suffice.

This is why kings of old had signet rings. They made a wax impression of their ring to seal documents to vouch for their authenticity. A document without a stamped engraved seal was worthless.

Likewise even today a document without a stamped or embossed seal is worthless for the same reason.

Unfortunately, in today's world even embossing tools are easily forged. Printing alone is even more forge-able even when using colored inks.

There are some special purpose inks which may appear to change color when viewed from different angles such as some of the inks used in modern U.S. paper bills but even those inks are available if one can afford to pay the price for obtaining forbidden items.

The point of mentioning the lack of an embossed seal on Obama’s ‘birth certificate’ was to attest that there was no seal on the document and any other document alluding to the validity of another document other than itself is worthless unless both documents are physically inseparable.

Once the two documents became parted, there is no longer any guarantee of the validity of the document being vouched for. Only an embossed irremovable seal or irremovable and incontestable marking can guarantee the validity of any document.

83 posted on 04/28/2011 1:31:18 AM PDT by dglang
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To: Parmenio

“Why would they sic collectors on you just for letting your subscription lapse? Doesn’t sound believable.”

I think I sent back a card that said I was going to renew but didn’t. I didn’t get any issues, but the collector hounded me for months and I finally said hey this is a subscription, gfy.


84 posted on 04/28/2011 2:54:12 AM PDT by y6162
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To: thecraw; All
I am afraid you all are chasing windmills here. What thecraw has found on his website there, for example, looks like perfectly normal MRC-compression artifacts. I explained how it works here. The software that created and compressed this PDF simply used an algorithm that isn’t perfect. It tries to seperate the text from the background, and it does not do a perfect job: Sometimes, parts of the text can be found in the background, and in other places, parts of the background will be in the text layer. This is nothing unusual.

For your edification, I took the PDF and re-compressed it using a better piece of software, using a better MRC-compression algorithm. You can find it here. Please open it in the viewer of your choice, and play with the layers (this one really puts the different parts into seperate layers). Note that even though it does a better job at seperating the text from the background (for example, the signatures end up in the text layer, not the background), it still is not perfect.

85 posted on 04/28/2011 3:04:56 AM PDT by cartan
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To: Danae
My long form is a single sheet, not in a book or stapled to anything else!

But the Nordyke ones seem similar to the one Obama produced. These were all recorded and stored the same way. By the time you came around, maybe things had changed?

ML/NJ

86 posted on 04/28/2011 5:30:03 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj

That could be.


87 posted on 04/28/2011 7:07:06 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: reegs

scan it again and tell me if you get the exact same thing.

Then keep scanning until you get JUST dates and signatures, then call us...


88 posted on 04/28/2011 8:43:27 AM PDT by Mr. K (this administration is WEARING OUT MY CAPSLOCK KEY~!! [Palin/Bachman 2012])
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To: y6162

So in other words, you purchased a product but refused to pay for it. Not very honorable.


89 posted on 04/28/2011 8:43:27 AM PDT by Parmenio
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To: Parmenio

pfttt...I had been a NR subscriber for 30 years...and finally got disgusted enough to drop them.


90 posted on 04/28/2011 8:47:42 AM PDT by y6162
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Has Obama jr. EVER said,spoken or written, that he is a Natural Born citizen or a Native Citizen?

According to their own website , the DNC FightTheSmears, the info they received from the White House state NATIVE BORN.

The question NEVER was where was jr. born but if he has dual allegiances and fails the Constitutional requirement to be President. There are two issues that are not resolved, one is his possible dual allegiance via his father and secondly his possible dual allegiance IF he was adopted when his name changed to Barry Soetoro.


91 posted on 04/28/2011 9:50:22 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Mr. K

Since I don’t have access to the original document to scan, and that I’m most likely using different hardware/software to scan a print out of the PDF, I will never be able to EXACTLY replicate all the layers. I have proven that document scanned to a PDF will IN FACT have layers. Many have pointed to this characteristic as proof of a forgery. I have proved that it does not.


92 posted on 04/28/2011 10:07:58 AM PDT by reegs
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To: appeal2

Which one?


93 posted on 04/28/2011 12:58:04 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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To: vortigern
I think we're seeing more pixellation with one numeral than the others because a multi-layered PDF document has been optimized without first flattening the layers. Though this seems to be done as a single operation, in reality each layer is optimized sequentially for greatest visual clarity independent of the other layers. When the software optimizes a layer with a lot of visual data—many characters or numerals—the overall effect is different than when the same process is applied to a layer containing a single or very few characters.
94 posted on 04/28/2011 8:10:01 PM PDT by DrZarkov
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To: Para-Ord.45

So, the explanation is that OCR caused the layers but wavy lines and random junk was picked up by OCR ? I think random lines and junk could be added on purpose to make a document look more authentic and aged.


95 posted on 04/28/2011 8:31:26 PM PDT by Bigjimslade
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To: DrZarkov

This is administration has to go down as one of the most incompetent ever. They can’t to a simple scan and make a freekin’ simple PDF? Ridiculous. Why release a layered PDF to the public. They are fools, my friend. Nonetheless, the green security background is totally fabricated. I work with scans and PDFs all day long, these anomalies never occur in my day-to-day work.


96 posted on 04/29/2011 9:20:28 AM PDT by vortigern
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To: Para-Ord.45

Guess we’re back to square one — if he shows the actual birth certificate, it’s all cleared up. Duh. Easy and simple.


97 posted on 04/30/2011 6:44:29 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

How about I mail you the photo of a check?


98 posted on 04/30/2011 6:45:08 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

It was never about what State he was born in.

It IS the FACT,according to the DNC owned website FightTheSmears that Jr. there is a “NATIVE CITIZEN” because his father was a foreigner, NOT ,as the Constitution requires, NATURAL BORN.


99 posted on 04/30/2011 8:24:15 AM PDT by Para-Ord.45
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To: Para-Ord.45

Worth repeating, and also he might have been an Indonesian citizen as well. Those are two reasons why I never turned against certifigate hawks, even after the talk radio hosts got wobbly. There is so much for BO to defend, including his other hidden records.

Of course, we can beat him on the issues too, and there’s no way Reid will allow him to lose an impeachment trial, not to mention Boehner’s spine has turned to jelly. The courts don’t want to touch it, and it’s not really their place to overturn the public will [not until it’s a republican at least].

So this is just a thing to discuss like any other issue. It’s just another paper cut at best. Funny how the focus-focus-focus crowd drove us into the arms of Donald Trump. We should thank Glenn Beck for making Trump so popular.


100 posted on 04/30/2011 9:13:43 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (George Washington: [Government] is a dangerous servant and a terrible master.)
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