I'd say both.
Posted on 04/29/2011 2:10:49 AM PDT by RobinMasters
Newly released documents from Barack Obama Sr.'s immigration file, obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, justify "birther" doubts about the nativity story on which Barack Obama based his presidential campaign.
The documents were posted Thursday in an article by Heather Smathers on the Arizona Independent web site. When I checked with Brian Wedemeyer, the Independent's managing editor, he confirmed, "They are legitimate documents."
A memo dated Aug. 31, 1961, from William Wood of the Immigration and Naturalization Services, does verify that Barack Obama, Sr. fathered a son, Barack Obama II, who was born in Honolulu on Aug, 4, 1961. For the record, most birthers of my acquaintance believe that Obama was born in the United States. That is not their issue.
Wood adds, however, that the child is "living with mother (she lives with her parents & subject resides at 1482 Alencastre St.)." He adds that Obama's citizen spouse plans "to go to Washington State University next semester."
This document thoroughly undermines the Obama nativity story, a story that has been told almost as often as Jesus's but with nowhere near the accuracy. Obama led with it in his 2004 convention speech and repeated it in the first sentence of his 2008 speech.
Friendly biographer David Remnick describes this story as Obama's "signature appeal: the use of the details of his own life as a reflection of a kind of multicultural ideal," and he underscores its essential role in Obama's ascendancy.
As Obama told the story in 2004, his father had grown up in Kenya "herding goats." His mother he traced to Kansas, as he always did. "My parents shared not only an improbable love," Obama continued, "they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation."
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
(I found this information published in 2009)
Obama birth certificate forgery, Obama corruption, Vivek Kundra, Yusuf Acar, forged documents, John Brennan, Passport security breach, Long form birth certificate “forgery”
Posted on April 20, 2009 by citizenwells| 768 Comments
Obama thugs “forging” long form birth certificate?
From DC source:
That an Administration team is working on perfecting a “forgery” of the long-form birth certificate.
They plan on presenting it in a a month or so. The source is FBI agent who has drinking buddy from University of Illinois now in the Administration. Its second hand, but the source is supposed to be solid.
They have already prepared the “forgery” with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional
1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto.
“Access” was arranged by a “trustee” of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.”
Obama supporters were involved in research to find a Printing press in Canada that was capable of printing a “Forgery” of Obama’s BC
(Research was done on nearly every Museum in the Toronto area for a printing press that was operational and could do a “forgery”.)
Gary Levy
Clerk of the Committee
Canadian Source URL confirming “Margaret Smith” as a Trustee to the Museum (this one less likely to get scrubbed, but probably will)
Starting with the report
From the original report about Obama’s administration doing a long form Birth Certificate Forgery:
“They have already prepared the “forgery” with special paper and ink. The document was printed on a fully functional 1960 Heidelberger printing press located at a print museum in Toronto. Access was arranged by a trustee of the museum who is connected to a large Canadian banking/investment firm with major US interests.”
Expounding on this striking detail, some blanks needed to be filled in.
Locating the Museum in Toronto with a printing press that would do the job
Are you ready for this?
Research was done on nearly every Museum in the Toronto area for a printing press that was operational and could do a “forgery”.
Everything connecting museums in the area with this type and age of printing press kept pointing back to one Museum in the area. The name of the Museum this the “National Museum of Science and Technology” in Toronto. It has quite a collection of older printing presses. Below is a snippet of the Museums description:
Among numerous exhibits in this educational facility is a collection of printing equipment that includes flatbeds, jobbers, cylinder and rotary presses (http://www.briarpress.org/139)
Identifying a Trustee with links to Canadian banking and investment firms
The next item of business was to find any Trustees (as mentioned by the report) to this Museum that had a connection to a large Canadian investment firm. After looking into this, one person really stood out right away. The Museum only has three Trustees assigned to it and Margaret Smith came up with a numerous ties to Canada’s economic and investment banking syndicate.
It is likely because she serves on the Standing Senate Committee on Banking, Trade and Commerce for Canada. This definitely qualifies her for being connected to not just one, but several Canadian banking and investment firms. If it is like in the US, then she probably gets “kick-backs” from more than one firm, by introducing legislation to the Committee that will benefit the firms substantially. The Trustee of the Museum and member of the Senate Banking Committee appear to be the same Margaret Smith, though not 100% certain.
Canadian Source URL confirming “Margaret Smith”
attending a Senate Banking Committee meeting:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/36/1/parlbus/commbus/senate/com-e/bank-e/27mn-e.htm?Language=E&Parl=36&Ses=1&comm_id=3 (how much you want to bet this gets scrubbed?).
Canadian Source URL confirming “Margaret Smith” as a Trustee to the Museum (this one less likely to get scrubbed, but probably will)
Both sources were backed up, along with images. If anyone wants to see the original sites as they were, let me know (in case they are scrubbed).
There are still some questions left, like who did Obama meet with and that is also a member of this same Banking Committee on his recent trip to Canada?
Now that Obama has played his ‘Trump’ card, it’s time to turn to the real issue. The issue with Obama’s eligibility not only involves his place of birth but whether he qualifies as a ‘natural-born-citizen’. Obama’s MSM supporters are trying to obfuscate the definition of ‘natural-born’-—repeated attempts have been made to use ‘native-born’ interchangeably with ‘natural-born’. It is generally believed the Founders considered ‘natural-born’ to mean born in country to parents who were citizens at the time of the person’s birth.
good stuff also here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AArF2jLEIOs&feature=player_embedded#at=12
watch fox business news video
Black Chamber of Commerce Head: Obama is ‘Fanatical’ & ‘Marxist’ — I Only Voted for Him ‘Because He’s Black’
Obama’s Other Hand
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/570654/201104291849/Obamas-Other-Hand.htm
not for longer than it took to conceive the babby>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Even that fact is an assumption. At this point we do not really know who Obama’s father was....it would be stated on the original COLB itself, along with the delivering physicians name and two witnesses.
I believe Obama was born outside of the USA, and that his mother filed for a Hawaian birth abroad as was then allowed
by Hawaii law,if application was made withiin 2 years of the birth outside of Hawaii.There are thousands of Japanese who have Hawaii birth certificates, and who were in fact born in Japan, the sons and daughters of field workers who worked in the pineapple fields, and whose mothers went home to Japan to give birth, and returned later.
Obama was born outside the USA, and as such, is not qualified for the presidency as a natural born citizen as required by Article II of the consitution.
Obama gets an article II waiver? Nah! He is destroyig our nation, and is not acting like an American, simply because he has no loyalty to our country or its constitution, no loyalty to his fellow Americans,only loyalty to those Ameicans who share his Utopian view or who have been allegedly “racially and ethnically” descriminated against, by the dastardly white majority.
Obama as such he acts just like what he is, a non natural born US citizen, a man with destructive ideals and who has no love for our country or its exceptionalism. In fact we have an alien in the White Hut, a fact that Article II was designed to prevent.
Obama intends to devide our nation, and then conquer it for his liberal fascist Utopia, one in which there is no freedom, for Obama as a un-American patriot to things , ideas and polcies that are distinctly Un American.
Barak Obama: The quintessential Liberal Fascist:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html
Thanks for the ping!
Candor7, I doubt if you’ve seen this thread. It’s a research thread with of course some extraneous material but it is a serious eye opener. I now am convinced that neither purported parent is correct.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2702976/posts?page=1937
The documents also bring up the question of Obama Srs age. He repeatedly used 1934 up until 1962 and then changed it to 1936. He could very well have been 27 when Obama was born, not 25.
Thanks bitt! Great link — “I only voted for him ‘because he’s black’”.
I keep repeating myself. But what we are seeing is not the original book copy. Note the stamp says “abstract”. Think of a real estate abstract. Not the wills, but synopsis of them. Books, page paragraph noted of where they can be found in public records.
AGAIN:
When we had the FR cruises I contacted the clerk where I was born to get my BC. She asked which one I wanted. I replied give me one of each. After I got home realized that my mom’s name, dad’s name, date of birth and my own name were all wrong.
So I went to the office with all three in hand thinking I’d have a problem. Clerk proceeded to get the big book out with original in it. I looked at it showed her where the typist had misread the original script writing and the one typo. (Dad was with me to confirm my date of birth.) She proceeded to enter the correct information in her computer and reprinted the short form, long form and a credit card size copy on official paper, then stamped and signed it.
What I had in my pocket was just what the typist put into her computer.
What we are looking at is what the clerk chose to put into the computer and print out. It has been made to look like it came from a book, but It is NOT A PHOTO COPY OF THE ORIGINAL DOCUMENT printed on modern paper. It is what BO or his minion choose to make public. It’s been stamped with the “abstract” stamp to indicate that material has been left out. He could print it on toilet paper if stamped and signed it’s a form of a BC....BUT the ABSTRACT stamp indicates that material has been condensed, is not complete.
AGAIN I ask: If he has made this public, by law is the source material that this document was created from available to the public?
Adopted? What an abortion!
“From the article:
1. Dunham and Obama, Sr. married February 2, 1961
2. Barry born August 4, 1961.
3. By all known mathematics, that is SIX months between marriage and birth.”
Yes, that math has been known for some time. The marriage was one of convenience, so Jr wasnt an illegitimate child.
The new INS docs further confirm that barack obama II was born in Honolulu - his birth certificate is legit:
“A memo dated Aug. 31, 1961, from William Wood of the Immigration and Naturalization Services, does verify that Barack Obama, Sr. fathered a son, Barack Obama II, who was born in Honolulu on Aug, 4, 1961.”
But it also shows that Obama’s Dad was never there after he was born. Obama’s own bio and narrative is debunked.
“As Obama told the story in 2004, his father had grown up in Kenya “herding goats.” His mother he traced to Kansas, as he always did. “My parents shared not only an improbable love,” Obama continued, “they shared an abiding faith in the possibilities of this nation.””
I watched the interview last night. The Black Chamber of Commerce know full well what this guy is up to and how they all will lose.
Thanks bitt.
Obama’s history is a big lie. He told voters in Selma that HE exists (born alive) because “somebody marched” in Selma. His parents were already divorced by then. They did NOT get together because of the march.
The One can lie lie lie all he wants and yet the dumbmass media insists that Sarah Palin (and not Tina Fey) said “I can see Russia from my house!”
I can say no more.
Didn’t O’Reilly once make the statement about the birth announcements that the grandparents couldn’t have afforded to pay for them? But they were flying their daughter back and fort across the Pacific?
I would also mention that college loans/grants in the early ‘60s barely existed. There were academic and ROTC scholarships. But very little in terms of federal grants and/or subsidized loans as exist today. It was pretty much a case of going to the school your family could afford.
Too many pieces missing in this puzzle called Obama.
Not to mention that Father Obama could have been charged with “statutory rape” because Stanley Ann Dunham was only 17 when he put a bun in her oven.
I'd say both.
There are only a few organizations that could do that back then. One is the mafia.
Even if they were tied to the communists, they would have been exposed at some point. I believe they were/are tied in with the Mob.
“I believe they were/are tied in with the Mob.”
Maybe that’s why he was so readily accepted in Chicago? And from what I hear, Honolulu is no less mob than Las Vegas. So you may not be too far off .. not that we’ll ever know.
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