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London is no longer an English city, says John Cleese. Is he right?
The Telegraph ^ | April 18th, 2011 | Ed West

Posted on 04/29/2011 7:35:54 AM PDT by Eurotwit

He said: “There were disadvantages to the old culture, it was a bit stuffy and it was more sexist and more racist. But it was an educated and middle-class culture. Now it’s a yob culture. The values are so strange.”

He added that he preferred living in Bath to London because the capital no longer felt “English”.

“London is no longer an English city which is why I love Bath,” he said. “That’s how they sold it for the Olympics, not as the capital of England but as the cosmopolitan city. I love being down in Bath because it feels like the England that I grew up in.”

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I love John Cleese for his work, but this story, imho, illustrates liberal thinking and hypocrisy.

He hates the way London has become, yet support the liberal democrats who think London isn't muslim enough. Then he belongs to the class of limousine liberals who can buy estates in towns who are spared from the "liberal vision" they have imposed on the rest of the nation.

It's not funny anymore, mr. Fawlty.

1 posted on 04/29/2011 7:35:56 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

I pretty much stopped paying attention to him after his bout of Bush Derangement Syndrome several years ago.


2 posted on 04/29/2011 7:37:08 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Eurotwit

Maybe he would really like NYC and run for congress.. he would fit nicely


3 posted on 04/29/2011 7:38:21 AM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: Eurotwit

He’s right, much as many American cities no longer feel American...but like many American liberals, he fails to realize it’s his own ideology (and, likely, voting patterns) that have caused this, and allow it to continue.

Yet like most libs, he chooses to leave the yokels behind and live in his own ivory tower somewhere.


4 posted on 04/29/2011 7:38:54 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: Eurotwit

I just spent a week in London in February. I loved it.


5 posted on 04/29/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

I think many liberals like him are having ha massive case of cognitive dissonance as their utopia is crashing in around them.

I still choose to think he never meant ill.

We can all be ignorant at times, as long as we are willing to dust ourselves off and learn from our mistakes.


6 posted on 04/29/2011 7:39:41 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Sam Cree

Liberals don’t like change. They ought to call themselves conservatives.


7 posted on 04/29/2011 7:40:03 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: Eurotwit

If liberals are anything, they are consistent and that transcends national borders.

Cleese was an adherent to liberal policies that ruined London. He fled to Bath but I’m sure he took the belief in the policies with him. Next thing you know, Bath will be infested with the yob culture.

Same as happens here with the libs fleeing California for Colorado and New Yorkers bringing their failed policies to North Carolina.


8 posted on 04/29/2011 7:40:50 AM PDT by henkster (Every member of Congress must put the fate of the nation over their next re-election campaign)
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To: Eurotwit

Cleese mocked any conservative who raised questions against “multiculturalism” and tried to prevent London (or indeed the entire country) from sliding into the hole about which he now whines.


9 posted on 04/29/2011 7:41:07 AM PDT by PGR88 (I'm so open-minded my brains fell out)
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To: Sam Cree

That would be true if they (the liberals) actually produced something.


10 posted on 04/29/2011 7:43:13 AM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: Eurotwit

I saw an interview of him where he expressed surprise (and not a little disgust) at what he termed his father’s “petty bourgeois” anxiety about him taking a safe, secure, civil service job with a nice pension upon leaving university. I figured the whole Monty Python lot for Marxists anyway. Nice hypocrisy John “Cheese”.


11 posted on 04/29/2011 7:43:13 AM PDT by Oratam
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To: RnMomof7

“Maybe he would really like NYC and run for congress.”

Why stop there? At this point, he could aim for the Presidency!


12 posted on 04/29/2011 7:45:20 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: RockinRight

Correct. I work in Hollywood and just by observation, the liberal white guilt-ridden Dummycrats are now the minority and instead of embracing this multicultural nonsense...they band together and live in white LIB homo enclaves.


13 posted on 04/29/2011 7:45:26 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: All

Mr. Cleese: YOU and your ilk are responsible for the mess in London, no one else.
You are an IDIOT because you continue to support those who are destroying England.....
BTW, love Fawlty Towers....


14 posted on 04/29/2011 7:45:32 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Eurotwit

Hmm.....

Not unlike how some American cities atmosphere resembles certain foreign countries. Or how there is a certain “culture” if you can call it that, in many city neighborhoods dominated by African-Americans or other ethnic groups.

Well, I know many people who have lived in different cities and suburbs in America, and this is a common theme. Many say that even some formerly pleasant suburbs they lived in years ago have changed.

This phenomenon may help explain how far flung areas have seen big suburban growth. For example, Frederick, Maryland, about 40 miles from Washington, DC, has seen big suburban growth in recent years. Could this be from people wanting to seek a place which resembles places they grew up? Because the places they grew up have changed so drastically? Just asking the question. Why would so many people want to live in Frederick or Hagerstown areas who have to go into the DC area for work everyday?


15 posted on 04/29/2011 7:45:39 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Eurotwit

He’s a lib moron hypocrite. Overrated and his time is gone. Monty Python was great but the times have changed John. Just go away.


16 posted on 04/29/2011 7:46:46 AM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: PGR88

Yobs with bombs don’t ask if your conservative or liberal
before they detonate!


17 posted on 04/29/2011 7:47:06 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Eurotwit

This is kind of funny, since the city was originally founded as a Roman spa resort.


18 posted on 04/29/2011 7:48:02 AM PDT by edpc (Tagline under construction: Your American Recovery and Reinvestment Act dollars at work.)
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To: Eurotwit

Full of muslims.


19 posted on 04/29/2011 7:48:59 AM PDT by MARKUSPRIME
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To: Eurotwit

Very well said. Eventually, though they are slow, the zombies will be too numerous, and their hunger drives them to do nasty things.


20 posted on 04/29/2011 7:49:07 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: henkster

“...Same as happens here with the libs fleeing California for Colorado and New Yorkers bringing their failed policies to North Carolina....”

Colorado used to have bumper stickers, “Don’t Californicate Colorado”

But efforts to stop liberal septization (new word to describe what happens to your neighborhood when libs move in) , and Colorado (especially Denver, Boulder, and Aspen) are now infected by metastasized liberals. Hopefully, a good cleansing after the revolution will work.


21 posted on 04/29/2011 7:50:00 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Sam Cree

I envy you. Visiting England has been a dream of mine for many years.

Someday, I ‘ll actually make it.


22 posted on 04/29/2011 7:50:52 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Eurotwit
Really an odd situation.

During the early Python years, many of the others didn't get along well with him because he was too conservative. Now Palin and Idle have moved farther to the right (at least by some of their recent comments), while Cleese has moved to the left. T Jones is, and always has been, a bit of a loon, politically wise. Gilliam is hard to figure but may be closer to libertarian.

Champman continues to be not appearing in this post!

23 posted on 04/29/2011 7:52:40 AM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Da Coyote

I have sort of warm feelings for the Californians in Colorado.

My first girlfriend was a California girl that I met at the uni in Boulder :)

I guess I was there in the mid of the transformation.

One of the dorms were called Hotel California.

But, you also had a lot of Californians moving there outside of students.


24 posted on 04/29/2011 7:53:30 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit

Monterrey Jack Cheese speaks. I no longer listen, unless he’s being intentionally funny.

(Cleese’s family name used to be Cheese, but his father changed it to Cleese in 1915. He lives, or used to live, in Monterrey, CA. I don’t know if he still lives there.)


25 posted on 04/29/2011 7:56:25 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Skooz

You should really go.

If you watched the some of the wedding today, you will know that London is still London to some degree.

And, as Cleese says if you go to places like Bath is more like “the England he grew up in”. I was on the Yorkeshire coast last summer. It was excellent. The largest problem was not muslims. The only ones I ever saw was 40 or so men in saudi beach robes perving on women on the beach.

The largest problem was native British yob culture. People lying in the gutters puking a friday night when you are on the way to a theatre show.


26 posted on 04/29/2011 7:56:48 AM PDT by Eurotwit
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To: Eurotwit
I love John Cleese for his work, but this story, imho, illustrates liberal thinking and hypocrisy.

I had a conversation recently with some libs from Burlington, VT. They were extolling the virtues of Vermont, and admired how one is not really accepted by the denizens until some time has passed, and one is finally considered a Vermonter. They do not conform to the rest of the world, and expect the rest of the world to conform to them. That sounded OK to me-sort of like the idea that immigrants who settled in America in the past became Americans.

Then one of the libs starts in on immigration, and how we need to have completely open borders. I pointed out the contradiction to him that being swamped by a bunch of illiterate Turd World peasants is not a way to preserve the Vermont enclave he loves so well. I guess he assumed Vermont would stay the way he loves it and the rest of us become Mexico.

Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

27 posted on 04/29/2011 7:57:16 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Eurotwit

Why John Cleese! You must be a racist because you want to enjoy your own culture! /s


28 posted on 04/29/2011 7:57:36 AM PDT by autumnraine (America how long will you be so deaf and dumb to the chariot wheels carrying you to the guillotine?)
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To: Da Coyote

Californians went to Colorado to get away from California, but then many brought California with them.


29 posted on 04/29/2011 7:58:12 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Buckeye McFrog; Eurotwit

Your two comments dovetail nicely to illustrate in a nutshell the madness that is leftism.

“Ouch! It hurts!” Well, take your away from the fire. “Ouch! It hurts!”

It isn’t enough that they fail to learn for themselves - they insist on forcing our hands into the fire as well.


30 posted on 04/29/2011 8:08:03 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: Eurotwit

I think many liberals like him are having ha massive case of cognitive dissonance as their utopia is crashing in around them.

So, he is cracking-up just like Basil Fawlty did after that blow to the head...


31 posted on 04/29/2011 8:08:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Eurotwit

It is kinda creepy how this parallels why I moved from Seattle to rural Kentucky.


32 posted on 04/29/2011 8:09:29 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: savedbygrace

Very good obscure Python fact. I’m impressed. Cleese was my favorite Python, but his tiresome support of Obama ruined it for me. Now he has the nerve to complain about London when he is partially to blame? Unreal.


33 posted on 04/29/2011 8:10:22 AM PDT by ReluctantDragon
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To: Eurotwit

Exactly what you said. It’s no longer English because of what liberal policies have done. They’ve created a large dependent class of native English and opened the doors to thousands/millions? that don’t have Western values and who are also on the dole. I’m sure there are still parts of England that are reminiscent of the England of old, but as a whole it’s been permanently marred by liberal policies. I have lots of family over there and I know one cousin has left for Spain—not sure of her reasons, and one male cousin would love to escape to the U.S. if he could. I like England being England—full of English, but like here, the liberals/leftists are (have) destroyed it.


34 posted on 04/29/2011 8:10:36 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: autumnraine
Why John Cleese! You must be a racist because you want to enjoy your own culture!

If John Cleese wishes to sit in Bath, England and criticize his own culture, more power to him. My problem is that every time I hear from the guy he is sitting comfortably in Los Angeles and criticizing ours.
35 posted on 04/29/2011 8:10:54 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

He’s got a good case of Palin derangement going on too.


36 posted on 04/29/2011 8:11:08 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: savedbygrace

He actually lived or possibly still has a home in Montecito (rather than Monterey), a southern part of Santa Barbara, near where I live. Several famous Brits in Montecito!


37 posted on 04/29/2011 8:12:09 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("I'm not bad, I'm just drawn that way." Jessica Rabbit)
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To: ReluctantDragon

I’m not sure whether he moved to Monterrey just so he could say he was Monterrey Jack Cheese, or could be if he changed his last name back to what it was, if if he was just the first to note it after he moved.

Yes, he is a political dolt.


38 posted on 04/29/2011 8:16:12 AM PDT by savedbygrace (But God.)
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To: Eurotwit

Thinking about it, it’s the same here and what the liberals do. How many have fled California because California is no longer California only to spread their disease to other parts of the country? Being on the left, means they never have to admit they’ve screwed up and they never apologize for being so very, very wrong. Enjoy Bath while you can Mr. Cleese. You are old enough now that you probably won’t have to see the day that Bath is no longer Bath—that outcome will be for the poor generations left behind to inherit.


39 posted on 04/29/2011 8:19:00 AM PDT by beaversmom
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To: Eurotwit

Agree... he supports the left, and the left actively sought this result. No tears for the talented, leftist, silly Mister Cleese.


40 posted on 04/29/2011 8:24:40 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: antiRepublicrat

Most of the people described as “Californians” are not. The problem is not Californian’s, but all the people who moved here from other states and other countries and ruined it for the rest of us and who have slimed us all as loonies. I assert that these transplants were loonies before they showed up here and all it has done is attract more loonies. If you can actually find a born and bred 2nd or 3rd generation Californian you would probably be surprised at how sane and conservative we really are.


41 posted on 04/29/2011 8:25:56 AM PDT by maid of orleans
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To: Skooz

The UK has its problems, but there is a lot to like there, including the friendly people. I hope I’ll have a chance to return someday soon.


42 posted on 04/29/2011 8:28:10 AM PDT by Sam Cree (absolute reality)
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To: maid of orleans

I’ve heard people in New Orleans say something similar; that the negatives you see in the media are people with Mississippi roots.


43 posted on 04/29/2011 8:30:13 AM PDT by LightningStriker2010
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To: Eurotwit

Blame the Ministry of Silly Immigration Policy.


44 posted on 04/29/2011 8:30:43 AM PDT by Hoboken (truth)
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To: beaversmom

He’s got a good case of Palin derangement going on too.

Michael Palin or Sarah Palin? (I wonder if he could be related to Todd if you go far enough back)


45 posted on 04/29/2011 8:31:53 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Eurotwit
And, as Cleese says if you go to places like Bath is more like “the England he grew up in”. I was on the Yorkshire coast last summer. It was excellent. The largest problem was not muslims. The only ones I ever saw was 40 or so men in saudi beach robes perving on women on the beach.


Your Yorkshire trip obviously missed the city of Bradford. A lot of the older mill towns are certainly not "English' by the Cleese method.

46 posted on 04/29/2011 8:32:44 AM PDT by az_gila
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To: Boogieman
Why stop there? At this point, he could aim for the Presidency!

Not a natural born citizen.. ohh thats right ..that no longer counts

47 posted on 04/29/2011 8:35:39 AM PDT by RnMomof7 ( "But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden His face from you,)
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To: Eurotwit

When I visited England over 30 years ago, people were already telling me that London was no longer English. It has grown worse since.

I am afraid that John Cleese is typical. There are many American liberals who are similar: they profess to admire multiculturalism, but really enjoy more traditional settings: they strive to connect with the culture they themselves have undermined.

The poet Roy Campbell noted the same phenomenon in his Autobiography “Light on a Dark Horse.” He said that travelers profess to admire the landscapes, but what they really long for is the lives of the simpler people they see in trips to rural areas, or more old-fashioned parts of the world.

In moving to those places, they buy up the nice, old houses, and may even contribute to retoration activities — but they do not actually attend the old, traditional churches, and they import their stinking, liberal politics, until pretty soon the whole place is not the same. This is happening to NH because of all the rich Massachusetts newcomers. Much of NJ has been ruined by New Yorkers.


48 posted on 04/29/2011 8:37:45 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: Eurotwit

“I love being down in bath.” Take a shower, for goodness sakes. You’ll drown if you stay down in the bath. Another soap-dropping, tea-drinking drive on the wrong side of the roader.


49 posted on 04/29/2011 9:00:04 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Eurotwit

Spot on—what you said.


50 posted on 04/29/2011 9:06:39 AM PDT by Avery Iota Kracker (Why get 'er done, when you can get 'er did twyst as fast.)
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