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Chile's Private Social Security System Turns 30
http://www.investors.com/NewsAndAnalysis/Article/570629/201104291742/Chiles-Private-Accounts-Turn-30 ^ | 29 Abril 2011 | Monica Showalter

Posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:33 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer

May Day — socialists' paean to class warfare — evokes memories of Soviet tanks in Red Square and leftist radicals rioting. But Chile celebrates the actual empowerment of workers.

May 1 marks the 30 years since Chile became the first nation to privatize its social security system. By turning workers into investors, the move solved an entitlement crisis much like the one America faces today.

"I like symbols, so I chose May Day as the birth date of Chile's 'ownership society' that allowed every worker to become a small capitalist," wrote Jose Pinera, former secretary of labor and social security and the architect of this pension revolution. He is now a senior fellow at the Cato Institute in Washington, D.C.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: chile; privatization; socialism; socialsecurity
They instituted this pension reform on May Day precisely because they wanted to yank a holiday from the rabid left. It was a nice flourish for a stunningly successful program.

Obama hates and fears this idea of privatizing social security - he says it's stealing grandma's check and the only alternative is to either raise taxes or do nothing. What he doesn't want you to know is that the third option, privatization means no cuts and much bigger returns for all.

1 posted on 04/30/2011 6:52:39 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

If Chile can make this work, there is no reason we can’t.


2 posted on 04/30/2011 7:11:14 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Has anyone bothered to say “Thank you, General Pinochet?” I didn’t think so...


3 posted on 04/30/2011 7:12:30 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: IBD editorial writer

From the article:

“In 2005, New York Times reporter John Tierney worked out his own Social Security contributions on the Chilean model and found that his privatized pension would have been $53,000 a year plus a one-time payout of $223,000. The same contributions paid into Social Security would have paid him $18,000.”

Plus his heirs would keep whatever was left in his fund after he died.

Now if anybody proposed replacing our present Ponzi scheme with the Chilean system, they’d be demagoged to death for trying to “destroy Social Security”.


4 posted on 04/30/2011 7:20:08 AM PDT by Stosh
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To: IBD editorial writer

Third world US....


5 posted on 04/30/2011 7:22:57 AM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: achilles2000
Has anyone bothered to say “Thank you, General Pinochet?” I didn’t think so...

Actually, thanks to the late Milton Friedman and the Chicago Boys are in order!

6 posted on 04/30/2011 7:23:44 AM PDT by Ozone34 ("There are only two philosophies: Thomism and bullshitism!" -Leon Bloy)
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To: Ozone34

Correct. But General Pinochet deserves thanks, too. He saved his country from communism - a really virulent, merciless, brutal strain of it, even viler than Hugo Chavez’s. He also made free markets possible. Thanks to General Pinochet are in order.

As Lady Thatcher and the great Ronald Reagan understood perfectly well!


7 posted on 04/30/2011 7:32:25 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...
Chile celebrates the actual empowerment of workers.

8 posted on 04/30/2011 7:36:45 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: RockinRight
If Chile can make this work, there is no reason we can’t.

Yes there is. We don't have a General Pinochet...yet. He eliminated the commies and socialists and gave his nation a future.

9 posted on 04/30/2011 7:42:16 AM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Stosh

And it probably the NY Times reporter still couldn’t tell which was the better system!


10 posted on 04/30/2011 7:45:39 AM PDT by Reily
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To: Stosh

That is exactly the plan I have proposed here on FR - before even knowing the details of Chile’s system (that money left would go to heirs).

I should run for President.


11 posted on 04/30/2011 7:49:42 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: Ozone34

Without Pinochet, any policy views of the Chicago School would have been a dead letter. Good ideas have always been around, but there is almost no one with the understanding, courage, and power to implement them.


12 posted on 04/30/2011 7:52:31 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: IBD editorial writer

May 1st is also Law Day, instituted by President Eisenhower to celebrate the rule of law, in contrast to communist dictatorship.


13 posted on 04/30/2011 7:56:57 AM PDT by married21 (As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.)
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To: achilles2000

This move vaulted Chile from the third world to the first world in one generation. ObaMao is trying to do the same thing to America in reverse.


14 posted on 04/30/2011 7:58:30 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Nuc 1.1
Yes there is. We don't have a General Pinochet...yet. He eliminated the commies and socialists and gave his nation a future.


We might have to have one soon, if we cant purge the libtards...

15 posted on 04/30/2011 8:01:04 AM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: achilles2000

Pinochet deserves a heck of a lot more credit than he has even been given. He really fixed that nation. I mean he even managed to fix it well enough that even successive socialist administrations after he left have not been able to touch the structural reforms which have made Chile into an economic powerhouse.

Now if Chile just had decent gun laws, I might consider moving there.


16 posted on 04/30/2011 8:03:46 AM PDT by drbuzzard (different league)
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17 posted on 04/30/2011 8:04:29 AM PDT by jla
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To: IBD editorial writer

Sharron Angle proposed this system during her campaign,however she got ripped by the left simply because it was implemented by a “bloody dictator called Pinochet”. We conservatives should urging our politicians to change our current system to something like this and at the same time educating our friends on the benefits of system like Chile’s.


18 posted on 04/30/2011 8:07:09 AM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: drbuzzard

My thoughts also.
I am in out down here very often and even though there is some trashy culture hangers-on, Chile is excellent, except for private gun laws which may also be a legacy of Pinocet.


19 posted on 04/30/2011 8:11:16 AM PDT by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: RockinRight
If Chile can make this work, there is no reason we can’t.

Yet there are persistent rumors that Obama wants to seize all 401(k)s...

20 posted on 04/30/2011 9:01:55 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 828 of our national holiday from reality. - What 3 AM phone call?)
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To: achilles2000

General Pinochet’s tactics to crush communism can be debated, but this move during the time of his rule was something commendable.


21 posted on 04/30/2011 9:11:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (President Sarah Palin sounds just right to me)
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To: IBD editorial writer; FARS

Prior to Pinochet, Somoza forced out the capitalists by stopping up the sewers of their mansions.

The Arab spring offers an opportunity for NGO’s to implement similar economies, yet Obama is too afraid to meddle for fear of appearing imperialist. He de-funded all the ME democracy movements that Bush supported. This is the greatest human tragedy since Islam was invented.

The neocon plan cannot be allowed to succeed or Bush would be hailed for thousands of years.


22 posted on 04/30/2011 9:27:20 AM PDT by bukkdems (Polygamy is the essential evil of Islam.)
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To: IBD editorial writer
PING PING PING PING PING!!!!!!

Over the last three decades these accounts have averaged annual returns of 9.23% above inflation. By contrast, U.S. Social Security pays a 1% to 2% (theoretical) return, and even less for new workers.

In 2005, New York Times reporter John Tierney worked out his own Social Security contributions on the Chilean model and found that his privatized pension would have been $53,000 a year plus a one-time payout of $223,000. The same contributions paid into Social Security would have paid him $18,000.

JUST DAMN. This is exactly the kind of thing we need to be looking at.

This is probably the most important thread on FR today. Perhaps this entire year. And 99% of freepers are probably going to miss it.

23 posted on 04/30/2011 9:32:01 AM PDT by Jeff Winston
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To: Jeff Winston

The Chilean Model has been discussed extensively here in the past.


24 posted on 04/30/2011 9:47:01 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Jeff Winston

Comparison of returns is meaningless. The essential comparison is a sustainable (privatized system) versus an unsustainable model (US Social Security). One factor that makes Social Security unsustainable is the CPI-W COLA. Who is not for a CPI-W COLA? Everyone is for it except that it is not sustainable. Who will fund the CPI-W COLA especially when a nasty bout of inflation occurs? Obviously the Social Security model is also broken because there is no asset pool to fund benefits. Comparisons of returns assumes that both systems are sustainable. We will never win a debate on Social Security unless we can convince the public that Social Security is not sustainable. Unfortunately, phony government accounting obscures the unsustainability. Seniors (especially the greatest generation) has been a solid voting block resisting change. Of course, the greatest generation was on the front end of the scheme, protecting intergenerational theft.


25 posted on 04/30/2011 9:52:33 AM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Vigilanteman

Was this not what GWB was proposing in his attempt at SS reform? Or something similar?


26 posted on 04/30/2011 10:28:57 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: Nextrush

Agreed. He wasn’t ruthless enough.


27 posted on 04/30/2011 10:51:05 AM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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28 posted on 04/30/2011 11:00:01 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Nuc 1.1

Pinochet has an interesting story. While I generally don’t want to support a military dictator, he ultimately saved his country from falling into a Chavez-style crypto-Communist hellhole...and even his democratically elected successors have been smart enough to continue his policies, more or less.


29 posted on 04/30/2011 11:10:51 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: drbuzzard

Isn’t Sebastián Piñera a pretty decent guy? Seems to be and he’s definitely a capitalist.


30 posted on 04/30/2011 11:14:58 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: mandaladon

The left is guilty of using the defense that a bad person (or whom they percieve as bad) can never have a single good idea.

Similar to how most of Africa is commie now, they felt that since Capitalism was the idea of white colonists (or so they thought), that it must be bad and therefore abandoned...and look where that got them.


31 posted on 04/30/2011 11:16:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: Lurker

The hardest part of selling it is the fact that it was implemented by a dictator.

We’d just have to emphasise that even bad people can have good ideas and this just happens to be one that worked out well. The evidence speaks for itself.

Imagine what a free nation could do with such an idea!


32 posted on 04/30/2011 11:18:46 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: businessprofessor

How could we launch a campaign to convince younger voters that they’ve been effed over by Grandpa?

In all honesty, there would have to be a phase out where people recieving SS today and those scheduled to in less time than they could build a sufficient balance in their private account would likely have to be set up to get something under the current system.


33 posted on 04/30/2011 11:28:59 AM PDT by RockinRight (Maybe Trump's a stalking horse for Palin...)
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To: mandaladon

Incredible story - thanks for telling it, did not know this. Might just give Sharron Angle a call. The garbage hurled about Pinochet needs to be disposed of properly. I’d like to know who hurled it.


34 posted on 04/30/2011 11:34:23 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

35 posted on 04/30/2011 11:39:39 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: RockinRight

That’s correct, you can’t cut the old people off - they have paid in - and with cash they could have been saving in a more profitable 401k, and they had no say in whether to pay of not. The old people are not the enemy and they should not be threatened.

The problem is socialism, the disgusting redistributionist nature of the system. Everyone over age 55 should be told no worries, carry on as you planned. Everyone UNDER that age should be offered a CHOICE: private accounts (plus a recognition bond of what they already paid in to be invested in them) or same old Social Security system as usual - $18,000 vs $55,000, whichever they prefered.

In Chile, 97% of workers opted for that private system of their own free will over the existing public system. Union thugs howled but workers did as they pleased, paying no attention to them.


36 posted on 04/30/2011 11:40:57 AM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: Jeff Winston

Thanks. I agree with you.


37 posted on 04/30/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by IBD editorial writer
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To: IBD editorial writer

Not to nitpick but the 1980-2005 returns were extraordinary. See how much we got for the past decade, or Japan for the past two.

But for young people the age will be increased so they’ll probably get 5-10 years of social security, if that.


38 posted on 04/30/2011 12:27:13 PM PDT by mewykwistmas (An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought.)
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To: IBD editorial writer

Didn’t Milton Friedman have a hand in creating that system?

I believe he worked on a school voucher system for Chile.


39 posted on 04/30/2011 12:32:50 PM PDT by Scanian
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To: IBD editorial writer

bump


40 posted on 04/30/2011 1:40:36 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rep. Dingell: "Its taken a long time.....to control the people.")
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To: RockinRight

You hit the nail in the head. The left will use Pinochet’s name to pound anyone proposing this. They did it to Sharron Angle.


41 posted on 04/30/2011 5:10:23 PM PDT by mandaladon (PalinGenesis)
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To: CPO retired
GWB's half hearted proposal was to allow young people just entering the system or in it a few years to invest some small portion like 5% in their own retirement.

He got shellacked when all the AARP and SEIU flunkies stormed the town hall meetings in protest. He then headed for the tall grass and the discussion never got off the ground.

42 posted on 04/30/2011 8:48:47 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Jeff Winston

amen


43 posted on 04/30/2011 9:49:45 PM PDT by CPT Clay (Pick up your weapon and follow me.)
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To: Nat Turner
Here's hoping!
44 posted on 04/30/2011 10:35:31 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: RockinRight
I wouldn't either but we seem to be running out of choices. I fear we will go the way of Venezuela.
45 posted on 04/30/2011 10:41:23 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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