Skip to comments.Yesterday was a sad day for Free Republic
Posted on 05/03/2011 4:46:53 AM PDT by Huck
Yesterday should have been a glorious day around here. There should have been fireworks and celebration. There should have been somber remembrances. There should have been patriotic tributes. There should have been shared joy at the news that our guys had finally gotten Bin Laden.
Instead, when I visited the site, what I found was a lot of carping. I found people focused more on the political spin than on the great news. I found people transferring their birther mentality onto this event, talking about Obama faking this news, photoshopping information, etc. It wasn't everybody, but it was a LOT of people. It made me sick.
Yesterday Free Republic seemed like DU. It makes me wonder what the hell is going on. Are Freepers getting younger? I always assume that DU is so pathetically immature because they must be younger. Free Republic has always been a place dominated by great class, and wit, and decency. Not this time. What I saw yesterday was a pathetic embarrassment and totally unworthy of this great forum.
As some of you may know, I was in lower Manhattan on 9-11. I was just across the street from the WTC when the first plane hit. I still remember the beautiful clear blue sky that day. I remember walking in between the towers just a minute or so before 8:46am, on my normal route to work. I remember my co-workers screaming in panic when they watched from an office window as the second plane hit the south tower. I remember women crying and screaming hysterically. I remember not being able to contact my wife to tell her I was OK. I remember people jumping to their deaths. I remember seeing the north tower go down with my own eyes, hearing it with my own ears. I remember fleeing Manhattan. I remember it was a Tuesday.
I remember returning to work the following Monday, riding the ferry passed the site, noxious smoke still billowing from the wreckage. I remember armed troops on the sidewalks. I remember wearing a breathing mask inside my building because the foul odor was seeping in through the ventilation system. I remember thinking we'd really gotten kicked in the teeth. They had killed innocent people, they had traumatized our women and children, and I really wanted revenge. I hung a picture on my wall of the American eagle sharpening his talons.
It has been a long time since that day. It's hard to believe how fast time flies. Then again, if you lost your loved one, I imagine time hasn't gone so fast. I love my wife so much, I can empathize with anyone who has lost the one they love. I can't imagine how that would be, and don't want to know, but I can cry for those people because I know what it is like to find your one true love.
I'm not an Obama fan. I hate socialism. But I am so happy that Bin Laden is killed, and that we have exacted some real revenge. It's about time. The politics don't even play into it for me. I still have the little flag, now tattered, that I flew on my car antenna after 9-11. I want to take it out of storage and put it on my car. I want to see American flags on cars like we saw back then. But it's not going to happen, and partially because the normally patriotic conservatives such as the ones here on Free Republic are instead focused on the politics and the fact that a socialist Democrat was president and will get some of the credit.
I guess you all would have been pissed on D-Day too. FDR was as big a socialist as anyone. I guess VE day and VJ day would have chapped your hides, since Truman was a DEM. I don't mean to paint with a broad brush. I know it wasn't every Freeper acting this way. But when I went on the board, that was the general impression, and it was really disappointing. It should have been a great day here. Instead, I saw a lack of patriotism and a lack of class. Free Republic should be better than this. If conservatives lose their patriotism and class, then what will happen to those virtues? I hope we can get them back soon. In the meantime, thanks for reading.
Kudos - I agree.
Disagree. Yesterday Free Republic functioned just fine. All the participants did what they are known for, expected to do, and did it well.
You don’t like some of what they did? You don’t like some of their/our opinions? Your opinion is also part of Free Republic, and you’ve done your duty for the cause as did the others.
Free Republic works whether it’s in the positive in your opinion, or in the negative in your opinion.
I noted your remark about an Opus, and so be it. I think it’s pretty stupid to jump off the opinion bandwagon such as FR over your perception of the opinions of others. “H” that’s what we all are here for.
I for one posted my suspicions, and that I am taking a wait and see attitude. I personally think it unwise to jump onto the joy wagon because of information dispersed by a serial liar such as Obama without one iota of proof to back it up.
Some say well I wouldn’t call Navy Seal’s liars, but then when did the Seal’s tell us at this point that they did as was reported? They didn’t. Obama reported they did it. He’s the one with the track record as Liar in Chief.
Get over it. Your vanity post shows you want to participate. So keep up the participation, or Opus out. You’ve been a participant for a long time. Makes no sense to Opus out over this.
Frankly and for good reason, I would not put anything past this administration. The conspiracy theories are fueled by Obama's blatant dishonesty and his literal inability to tell the truth about the most trivial things. It is not unreasonable to doubt everything that Obama says and to demand verification of every claim, including the claim that his administration took out Osama Bin Laden on Sunday, had a 100% DNA verification done within 12 hours and conveniently buried his body at sea before anybody had a chance to see it.
Does it make me a conspiracy nut to think that buried in that story are more than a couple of untruths? Does it make you want to vacate Free Republic because I use my brain and demand proof from an Administration that is more than willing to piss on the legs of the American Public and tell them it's raining?
[Huck] didn't really say much at all about those who were upset with the grandstanding of the dems and how the media is spinning this for them.
BS. That is what 99% of the harping was about and that is why he posted this screed. He wants Free Republic to be a place that expresses his opinion and when he's happy he wants all the other posters here to be happy. And when he's not cynical he doesn't want anyone else to be cynical. If Huck is happy, then he should post that he's happy. This thread, however, is clear evidence that his own happiness was as short lived as those whom he is now condemning for not remaining happy. Hypocrisy.
Huck, I agree completely.
FR ain ‘t what it used to be. It’s just bozos and yahoos yelling all day long.
Most were probably in elementary school, my son is in their age group. I know many their age who are not here to celebrate, they are on a FOB or COP, they got word probably did the high-five and still had to watch for IED’s, snipers and ambushes.
Maybe what has been framed as blame is actually evidence that Free Republic has a very good sense of what America is really thinking.
For better or worse, at least we're accurate. :0)
Shame on us; we should have at least given the regime time to get their stories consolidated and straight. I happy that I don’t have to hear about the boogy man anymore, now if Obama will just STFU.
Well, I must admit I am glad he is gone, and I haven’t expressed it enough here. I have been generally mistrustful of Obama, and this is another case where he has made it about himself. I also am not thrilled about our Navy conducting a Muslim funeral for him (it is hard to accept this aspect in particular). Obama ruins everything he touches.
There were some of us calling for balance.
See this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2713648/posts
And, I add, profanity and personal attacks. There was a time years ago when FReepers did not profane and engage in personally attacking other posters.
The decline of FR is noticeable and sad.
I did not say I believe Bin Laden is not dead. I believe he is dead.
I bought a lottery ticket awhile back and lost it somewhere in the house. Luckily I had scanned it on my computer.
Three days later, those numbers came up as a winner. I printed it out, took it to the lottery office and they told me, that’s nice, now we need to see the actual ticket to prove that you indeed won. (This is a hypothetical story, by the way.)
Trust but verify. Now where have I heard that before? If our military got Osama, that is terrific for the country. It won’t stop terrorism, but it will put the Bin Laden saga to rest and give some justice to the 9/11 families.
Now if we could just get Obama and Eric Holder to let the mastermind of 9/11, Kahlid Sheikh Muhammed, meet his punishment for planning it. I also hope we can get rid of Ayman Al Zawahiri, the acting Al Qaeda chief. Don’t you?
Closing our borders would also be very helpful going forward as far as national security goes.
Since the Rudy purge, the place has gone downhill.
I wasn’t a Rudy guy, but, a lot of his supporters were great contributors to FR. There have been other purges as well over the last few years, and while I understand the sentiment to keep FR ‘pure’ as you will, it seems that the more people we lose, the worse it gets around here.
How odd that this president takes credit for the actions of the Navy SEALS, which killed someone.
But he forgets that he attempted to PROSECUTE Navy SEALS a mere one year ago.....for slapping upside the head & giving a suspected terrorist a FAT LIP.
Murder-okay. Fat Lip-prosecution in court.
Ok, I get it.
I am a New Yorker too. I agree with you about the tone here on FR, but with what we have seen our elected officials do in the last decade has even the most naive and easy going people I know more cynical, negative, and depressed that at any other time. I’m not making excuses for bad behavior, however, when have so many people been out of work, watched their life savings destroyed, their home values drop to levels that may take a decade to recover (if ever), the growing attacks on people of faith, the mind-rotting reality TV programming, moral relativism, the whittling away of our constitution and civil liberties and the mass propaganda machine called our liberal media which feeds the mood.
I now know how Winston Smith could succumb and learn to love Big Brother.
That doesn’t make it right, I’m just saying.....
That also applies to releases of the BC. What he will continue to do is dribble out enough poor quality photocopies of transcripts to keep various mental gyrations and gymnastics going for his benefit. There is not a solitary shred of evidence that the BC issue has caused him any political harm. On the contrary it allows him to paint critics as part of the lunatic fringe.
(and don't post any "evidence" of forgeries on this thread, save it for those threads where it belongs)
It makes you a conspiracy lunatic to think the entire National Security Team, including the SecDef, and the Navy Seals, and the CIA were all in on a big conspiracy involving the mastermind of 9-11 just so Obama can look good. Yes, it makes you a freak.
Well why do I have to hear about “rapid DNA” testing from a Freeper? WHy couldn’t the white house briefing talked about that? How stupid do they think we are. Besides you are making a supposition about how that DNA test was done(or is still being done). I didn’t hear one comment yesterday saying they thought OBL was still alive. Give it a break.
And that's what our overlord wannabes in Washington would also like to see. Plug back into the Matrix of American Decline in celebratory bliss while they continue to lie, cheat, steal, and spin this story of military heroism to their own benefit in 2012.
It's hard to celebrate Osama's demise when equally dangerous domestic enemies called Politicians are pushing (or not resisting much) America towards financial/social collapse if not outright revolution/civil war.
Take the Founders' red pill, FRiend.
Huck can you elaborate a bit on what happened yesterday. I still do not know what you are talking about. Please give details on what piised you off so much. You say that there was a lot of carping and people focused on political spin? Isn’t this the whole point of having FR?
If Huck is happy, then he should post that he's happy
The other problem I see is that through the various purges and opuses, we’re left with a large number of Bible thumpers and conspiracy theorists, and not much else around here.
Interesting, yes Trump’s Chumps and not happy about this.
I understand where Huck is coming from - I did not post yesterday nor did I read much. I agree with you. Glad that
he was killed. Love our troups and the Navy SEALS.
Not surprised that Obama claims the fame.
But, celebration .... Sorry, I don’t feel that yet.
I agree. I once couldn't stand to be away from Free Republic for more than a few hours each day, but FR seems to have become a haven for conspiracy theorists and nut jobs.
There are still a few level heads around, but almost invariably they are harrassed when they express their opinions. I'll bet I'll probably get a reply along the lines of "don't let the door hit you on the way out" before this thread is done.
Probably the only reason I continue to come to FR is because it is the best news aggregator on the web.
I guess peaceful dissent on FR should now be viewed as a problem. Apparently, no peaceful dissent means no problem. Mixed messages, anyone?
There is no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit. Ronald Reagan
The WH said they will release the video of the burial at sea and may release the corpse pictures. But it could be anyone buried at sea and pictures are easy to doctor. It’s all a big lie to take the heat off the birth certificate, right?
Free Republic is well known to gather million of viewers, its a fertile field for anyone to manipulate should they chose to, and that applies to both sides of the coin.
And its no secret an organized group has indeed been posting such forums to divide FR, mostly its petty instances like who hates red, who loves blue, and if you love blue you will live in paradise and your pet lions will sleep with sheep peacefully.
In as such as conspiracy theories FR actually does pretty good, or pretty bad depending on what you are led to believe in.As long as one can see the picture clearly its always apparent when an invasive forum appears, one that creates the impression of reality through repetition, through “verified” statements, through enough soft intimidation to force a new thought process to follow through, after all most people on the web are still herd animals.
I pretty much don’t bother posting as yes the style of threads are becoming more like the DU derogatory style. Thats because those at the DUmp are so heavily censored and controlled they have left, and have taken up residence in FR like termite ants.
That's pretty hard to separate much of the time; but in times like this country clearly comes first.
I am disturbed by the conspiracy mentality that I am seeing far too often on FR by some posters.
For some posters everything is a conspiracy. I really don't have a desire to engage in conversation with that type of thought pattern.
Should it result that this was your opus, you’ll have the consolation of knowing you were right.
Intermittently throughout the day, I would check FR, and it was a seemingly endless stream of political complaints, spin, conspiracy theories regarding the news. There was little or no actual celebration. That's what I saw. It never seemed to abate. I started to comment on a thread, but the whole thing really made me ill and I just skipped it. I thought about it on my way home and this morning decided to write down my thoughts.
Me too. I've been posting less and lurking more for that reason.
LOL, she must have a different problem in mind. I am not asking :)
“I found people transferring their birther mentality onto this event,”
I stopped reading right there. What in the heck is a “birther mentality” and how does it relate to bin Laden assuming room temperature?
Is a healthy skepticism about the eligibility of the person in the Oval Office because his father was not a US citizen now a mental disorder?
Are you for real!!! I feel great about our military taking out Obama. They did it in such a competent way. I give Obama zero credit. He just had to sign a piece a paper and he is so doggone stupid he had to be persuaded to do even that much “heavy lifting”. He wanted to bring Osama back alive for a trial. You obviously missed this showboating POS trying to hog most of the credit and BTW he never gave a bit of credit to GW Bush
So puhleeeeeze! My patriotic enthusiasm is reserved for those who made it happen. Navy Seals, CIA and our military
Oy. Don't get me started. What the hell has happened? Trump is popular here? De-evolution has hit FR hard.
I stopped reading right there.
Well they should release the info and stop treating us like children.
What would change if they release the pictures?
Be of good cheer, and leave those to themselves, who are not.
Not for me. It was easy. Politics didn't enter into it at all.
Arguing with conspiracy theory folks will only raise your bloodpressure.
It has been said that: “History is written by the winners”. It has also been said that: “Conspircy theories are history written by the losers.”
When one’s side loses an argument or election (or just doesn’t like the situation) despire the ‘obvious’ superiority of your side’s arguments, some folks ‘explain’ the loss by spinning all sorts of conspiracy theories. You don’t need any evidence. In fact, you can claim the absence of evidence only proves the hidden power of the conspirators. Doing the work of developing better arguments or putting for better candidates is just too hard too do. It’s just so much easier to develop some elaborate theory.
As you point out, conspiracy theories to explain the success of the opposition are not limited to either side. The left has their theories and the right has theirs.
If you think yesterday was bad here on freerepublic, you should have been here just after 9/11 when freerepublic was inundated with Truthers. JimR finally purged most of them.
FYI: my first comment after hearing the news of Osama’s death was ‘The conspiracy nuts are going to go nuts’.
Don’t forget just a few weeks ago he wasn’t going to pay them.
Verifiable confidence in the integrity of your govt goes a long way. Not only that, it is their duty to us. Remember that whole transparency thing? It's not just a saying.
I completely agree! Thank you for saying it!
One kid said his teacher told them it was nothing to celebrate, and he shot back "Yes it is! He killed 3,000 Americans!" This is a little chubby Indian boy. It warmed my heart.
I just was really disgusted by the discourse that I saw here yesterday, and in the manner of policing our own, I felt it was worth chiming in. People can take it or leave it. Thanks for the buck-up, though.
Your opinion is noted, but I disagree. I see what you see, and when I see what you don’t like, I usually don’t like it either, and look up the profile of the individual(s). If no profile, which is most often, then the recent, or timely date they joined is sufficient to form an opinion. I don’t see this invasion of DU. When they do come, they are usually so “transparent” they are zotted immediately.
Freepers instinctively know a DU type when one gets past the rat guard on the hawser.
Like so many you are deeming those you disagree with their perspectives, their opinions as they must be DU. IOW “they can’t be Conservatives if they don’t agree with me” sort of thing.
What I find most disturbing is the third thought that came to me after hearing that OBL was dead was if this could be another demonrat run of Hitler's "The Big Lie."
After seeing them in action, for me it's not just a matter of not trusting a bunch of politicians. I think the current iteration of GovCo is capable of anything and it's sometimes hard to tell whose side they are on or what restrains them.
Suffering from derangement syndrome or just another member of the spooked herd? I dunno...but it's spreading.
This should have been excellent news. And it would have been if punctuated with bin Laden's head on a pike. Unfortunately, the first part of "Trust, but verify" quit working here.
Before you get to indignant and dismissive about concerns voiced regarding potential lies from the administration I suggest you take a look at this breaking story...