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Use of ‘Geronimo' not offensive, expert says
NewsOK ^ | May 4, 2011 | Staff and Wire

Posted on 05/03/2011 10:30:19 PM PDT by Brandonmark

When Osama bin Laden was killed, one of the task force members communicated that “Geronimo” had been killed in action, according to a U.S. official.

That code name refers to the famed Chiricahua Apache warrior.

Geronimo was placed at Fort Sill in 1894 after several years of being pursued by the U.S. Army.

He died Feb. 17, 1909, and was buried the next day at Fort Sill.

The use of the code name is not offensive, said Towana Spivey, historian and director and curator of Fort Sill's museum.

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KEYWORDS: osama

1 posted on 05/03/2011 10:30:21 PM PDT by Brandonmark
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To: Brandonmark

Towana Spivey is also a old Apache name. On some dimension. I still think it was a bad choice.


2 posted on 05/03/2011 10:38:46 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
Towana Spivey is also a old Apache name. On some dimension. I still think it was a bad choice.

If I recall, “Apache” was a name given the tribe by the
Navajo that means “killer” or “enemy” or something. I think
that they referred to themselves as something else.

3 posted on 05/03/2011 10:43:14 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: Brandonmark

Well, I wonder just what good ol’ Towana is an expert in. Apaches, maybe? Or, code names? Maybe he is just a fitz-all, general, run-of-the-mill expert. Good to speak on any subject.

I wonder if good ol’ Towana told Reverend Al not to be so uptight last time he was “offended.”

Next time some member of an “aggrieved community” gets his undies in a bunch, I hope I get to tell him, her or it not to be “offended.” I am, after all, an expert. I ain’t gonna tell you at what, though. If Towana can get away with it, so can I.


4 posted on 05/03/2011 10:46:39 PM PDT by RobinOfKingston (An election is not a (national) suicide pact.)
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To: TwoSwords

It was a code name clearly meant for “internal consumption” only, but it does kinda build Osama up now that it’s out. We basically equated him with a notorious Wild West legend. Probably necessary so all folks involved were clear on who was being talked about.


5 posted on 05/03/2011 10:48:50 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: CrazyIvan

I’m not saying they weren’t vicious. They were. Who isn’t when they’re constantly at war. The Apache were just better at it. There are many races no longer among us because they didn’t have the stomach to take it to a level that the enemy couldn’t accept. Any race still living did similiar things to the Apache.


6 posted on 05/03/2011 10:50:00 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Brandonmark

“GERONIMO” is the name of the Regiment that I servrd in
in the late 1950’s (501 Airborne / 101st Airborne Division.

So no, it is not offensive in any way.

An Airborne Salute to Seal Team Six. Well Done.


7 posted on 05/03/2011 10:51:22 PM PDT by Pompah
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To: Brandonmark

“Use of ‘Geronimo’ not offensive, expert says”

####

“Expert” on what is offensive? Undoubtedly with full salary, blue-ribbon health insurance, and 60 days of paid vacation and “sick” days fully finannced by the American taxpayer.

A palpable illustration of both a fundamental mindset problem with self-destructing western civilization, and ongoing fiscal insanity.


8 posted on 05/03/2011 10:53:33 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Brandonmark

American paratroopers during WW2 used to cry out “Geronimo” during their combat jumps. This was a salute to a fellow warrior, not an insult.

Some people just don’t get it or don’t want to get it.

That’s their problem.


9 posted on 05/03/2011 10:55:17 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Brandonmark

I have to wonder what the response to this would have been were this to have happened during Bush’s tenure, or if a Republican had won in 2008?


10 posted on 05/03/2011 10:56:26 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: Brandonmark

Didn’t even read the article. All I know is that I am SICK and TIRED of the perpetually offended!

I’m of German ancestry. If they would have give osama the name “Wilhelm,” I couldn’t have cared less. Why? Because I am an AMERICAN first, everything else SECOND.

Sheesh.


11 posted on 05/03/2011 10:56:53 PM PDT by piytar (The Four Horsemen: War, Pestilence, Famine, and Bob. Be not proud, Bob! (ht to Gen.Blather))
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To: Pompah
So no, it is not offensive in any way.

Gee, that's a nice thing for his followers to know. I'm glad we're not offending them. /s

Sometimes I think our enemies should be offended.

I agree, on this though. Congratulations and well done to the professionals of SEAL Team 6!

12 posted on 05/03/2011 10:59:04 PM PDT by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Brandonmark
I thought it was more of a complemnt than Osama deserved.

Why not "'Scumbag' has been ID'd"?

13 posted on 05/03/2011 10:59:49 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Brandonmark

My standard reply to “that’s offensive” or I’m offended” is

“So? I don’t really care.”

I recommend everyone adapt it for usage whenever the ‘offended’ express displeasure. All BS aside, it has only gotten to the level of stupidity that it has because most people won’t stand up and say ‘Too damn bad” and things will never improve until we all do.


14 posted on 05/03/2011 11:00:02 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: TwoSwords
Towana Spivey is also a old Apache name.

Really? I knew the late Delmar Taft Spivey, as fine a gentleman as you'd ever be privileged to be acquainted. He was from Virginia or North Carolina, if memory serves.

15 posted on 05/03/2011 11:03:18 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: BradyLS

That’s a intersting take. Giving the zero some machismo. God knows he needs some.


16 posted on 05/03/2011 11:03:42 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: cynwoody

forgot the s/


17 posted on 05/03/2011 11:05:20 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: Brandonmark

The code name may not be offensive, but I find a news article titled “Use of ‘Geronimo’ not offensive, expert says” to be quite offensive. I’ll sleep better tonight knowing some random “expert” has nodded his blessing. Leave it to the trusty media to focus like a laser beam on the heart of a story...


18 posted on 05/03/2011 11:07:07 PM PDT by Chiltepe
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To: Brandonmark

Oh, one other thing: Don’t these idiots who are complaining know how military call signs are designated? Part of the process is making sure the call sign can’t be easily confused with another call sign even over bad comm links. It’s the same reason the words for milspeak (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc) were chosen.

Won’t say more except that this designation had more to do with phonetics than anything else.

Sheesh again.


19 posted on 05/03/2011 11:10:05 PM PDT by piytar (The Four Horsemen: War, Pestilence, Famine, and Bob. Be not proud, Bob! (ht to Gen.Blather))
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To: Pompah

“Drive On”.

“Geronimo”

C 1/501, 101st Airborne Division.

There are quite a number of us “Screaming Eagles” here on FR.

Good to meet you, Pompah!


20 posted on 05/03/2011 11:18:40 PM PDT by unkus
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To: Brandonmark

They are right, it’s offensive. I wanted the op to be called “F*** you, OBL and die Mfer” but it was too long.


21 posted on 05/03/2011 11:21:12 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO)
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To: TwoSwords
I’m not saying they weren’t vicious. They were. Who isn’t when they’re constantly at war. The Apache were just better at it. There are many races no longer among us because they didn’t have the stomach to take it to a level that the enemy couldn’t accept. Any race still living did similiar things to the Apache.

In agreement here. Our “Apache” helicopter ain't exactly a
koombaya piece of equipment! As my militant Scottish friend
says: “There's a reason the most devastating antipersonnel
mine ever made is not named after a French sword”.

22 posted on 05/03/2011 11:23:57 PM PDT by CrazyIvan (What's "My Struggle" in Kenyan?)
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To: piytar

“I’m of German ancestry.”

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So am I, but like you an AMERICAN first.

However, it is safe and acceptable, even here on FR to attack and disparage the entire German people for the actions of the criminal Nazis.

With the usual double standard in full force, try that with any of the protected racial or religious minorities, and there will be the usual firestorm of righteous outrage.


23 posted on 05/03/2011 11:27:23 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: Brandonmark

Geronimo was a reference to Skull and Bones. For old times’ sake.


24 posted on 05/03/2011 11:51:20 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker (People should not be afraid of the government. Governement should be afraid of the people)
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To: Brandonmark

I thought Macaca was more appropriate.


25 posted on 05/03/2011 11:58:21 PM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: Brandonmark

I don’t think that even Geronimo himself would care about the use of the name. There are different stories told as to how he came to be known by it. As I understand it, it had more to do with the Mexicans than the Apache. At birth he was named Goyathlay.


26 posted on 05/04/2011 1:00:06 AM PDT by Mila
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To: TwoSwords
"I still think it was a bad choice"

Hmmm..Another member of the over-sensitive, touchy-feely, girly-man, PC brigade...Begone!

27 posted on 05/04/2011 1:11:05 AM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Brandonmark
what was the author's point with this article? preemptive self-flaggilation? promotion of a false legend?

Geronimo was a murderer, a kidnapper, a thief and plunderer. When he was finally captured, a kidnapped settler's boy was found with him.

The Apache had only been resident in the southwest for about 30 years prior to the Spaniards’ arrival; a large part of the apache population were actually captives taken on never-ending raids of other tribes. The Apache had a giant sense of entitlement when it came to the livestock, children, women, horses and crops of others. They maintained an aggressive and domineering relationship towards other southwest indians and towards the Spaniards and Mexicans, although for a time they did get along with the Pueblos.

The atrocities of Cochise are typical of Apache behavior towards others: “this Indian has burned alive thirteen white men that I know of, besides most cruelly torturing to death, by cutting small pieces out of them, five others; fifteen others I know by putting lariats around their necks, tied their hands behind them, and dragged them to death.” http://www.jcs-group.com/oldwest/wars/warfare1.html
on Geronimo, Bob Bell of TrueWest Magazine noted, “ He would go down into Mexico every summer and kill anyone he met. That was his idea of a vacation.” ibid

In spite of his crimes, Geronimo was allowed to live, and not only that, he capitalized on his notoriety. Liberals and special-interest groups have glorified his life and hidden the gorier details and today, over 3 million acres have been dedicated to reservations for approximately 50,000 Apache (1990 numbers).

Hopefully, that same false glossification of the terrorist Geronimo won't happen in Osama’s case.

28 posted on 05/04/2011 1:22:42 AM PDT by blueplum
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To: blueplum

you forgot to add: He repented and died a Christian...
;0)


29 posted on 05/04/2011 1:38:26 AM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: Brandonmark

Who cares and who gives a fly rats ass.


30 posted on 05/04/2011 3:35:34 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA
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To: Brandonmark
OBL's last Facebook post

31 posted on 05/04/2011 3:38:49 AM PDT by TSgt ("Some folks just need killin'" - Sling Blade (2006))
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To: Brandonmark

Bravo Zulu to the non-existant Seal Team Six, and I fully understand that you were never there,


32 posted on 05/04/2011 4:37:45 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (Obama did not learn incompetence; he was born to it.)
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To: Brandonmark

Experts? We have ‘experts’ for this? Who are these so called experts?


33 posted on 05/04/2011 4:41:07 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Brandonmark

Experts? We have ‘experts’ for this? Who are these so called experts?


34 posted on 05/04/2011 4:41:23 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

If you want to celebrate a woman and baby-killing Apache who with a small band of followers ran amok through Southern Arizona, go right ahead.


35 posted on 05/04/2011 4:57:40 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: SuperLuminal

You nailed me. Idgit.


36 posted on 05/04/2011 11:00:01 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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