Skip to comments.Use of ‘Geronimo' not offensive, expert says
Posted on 05/03/2011 10:30:19 PM PDT by Brandonmark
When Osama bin Laden was killed, one of the task force members communicated that Geronimo had been killed in action, according to a U.S. official.
That code name refers to the famed Chiricahua Apache warrior.
Geronimo was placed at Fort Sill in 1894 after several years of being pursued by the U.S. Army.
He died Feb. 17, 1909, and was buried the next day at Fort Sill.
The use of the code name is not offensive, said Towana Spivey, historian and director and curator of Fort Sill's museum.
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Towana Spivey is also a old Apache name. On some dimension. I still think it was a bad choice.
If I recall, “Apache” was a name given the tribe by the
Navajo that means “killer” or “enemy” or something. I think
that they referred to themselves as something else.
Well, I wonder just what good ol’ Towana is an expert in. Apaches, maybe? Or, code names? Maybe he is just a fitz-all, general, run-of-the-mill expert. Good to speak on any subject.
I wonder if good ol’ Towana told Reverend Al not to be so uptight last time he was “offended.”
Next time some member of an “aggrieved community” gets his undies in a bunch, I hope I get to tell him, her or it not to be “offended.” I am, after all, an expert. I ain’t gonna tell you at what, though. If Towana can get away with it, so can I.
It was a code name clearly meant for “internal consumption” only, but it does kinda build Osama up now that it’s out. We basically equated him with a notorious Wild West legend. Probably necessary so all folks involved were clear on who was being talked about.
I’m not saying they weren’t vicious. They were. Who isn’t when they’re constantly at war. The Apache were just better at it. There are many races no longer among us because they didn’t have the stomach to take it to a level that the enemy couldn’t accept. Any race still living did similiar things to the Apache.
“GERONIMO” is the name of the Regiment that I servrd in
in the late 1950’s (501 Airborne / 101st Airborne Division.
So no, it is not offensive in any way.
An Airborne Salute to Seal Team Six. Well Done.
“Use of Geronimo’ not offensive, expert says”
“Expert” on what is offensive? Undoubtedly with full salary, blue-ribbon health insurance, and 60 days of paid vacation and “sick” days fully finannced by the American taxpayer.
A palpable illustration of both a fundamental mindset problem with self-destructing western civilization, and ongoing fiscal insanity.
American paratroopers during WW2 used to cry out “Geronimo” during their combat jumps. This was a salute to a fellow warrior, not an insult.
Some people just don’t get it or don’t want to get it.
That’s their problem.
I have to wonder what the response to this would have been were this to have happened during Bush’s tenure, or if a Republican had won in 2008?
Didn’t even read the article. All I know is that I am SICK and TIRED of the perpetually offended!
I’m of German ancestry. If they would have give osama the name “Wilhelm,” I couldn’t have cared less. Why? Because I am an AMERICAN first, everything else SECOND.
Gee, that's a nice thing for his followers to know. I'm glad we're not offending them. /s
Sometimes I think our enemies should be offended.
I agree, on this though. Congratulations and well done to the professionals of SEAL Team 6!
Why not "'Scumbag' has been ID'd"?
My standard reply to “that’s offensive” or I’m offended” is
“So? I don’t really care.”
I recommend everyone adapt it for usage whenever the ‘offended’ express displeasure. All BS aside, it has only gotten to the level of stupidity that it has because most people won’t stand up and say ‘Too damn bad” and things will never improve until we all do.
Really? I knew the late Delmar Taft Spivey, as fine a gentleman as you'd ever be privileged to be acquainted. He was from Virginia or North Carolina, if memory serves.
That’s a intersting take. Giving the zero some machismo. God knows he needs some.
forgot the s/
The code name may not be offensive, but I find a news article titled “Use of Geronimo’ not offensive, expert says” to be quite offensive. I’ll sleep better tonight knowing some random “expert” has nodded his blessing. Leave it to the trusty media to focus like a laser beam on the heart of a story...
Oh, one other thing: Don’t these idiots who are complaining know how military call signs are designated? Part of the process is making sure the call sign can’t be easily confused with another call sign even over bad comm links. It’s the same reason the words for milspeak (Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, etc) were chosen.
Won’t say more except that this designation had more to do with phonetics than anything else.
C 1/501, 101st Airborne Division.
There are quite a number of us “Screaming Eagles” here on FR.
Good to meet you, Pompah!
They are right, it’s offensive. I wanted the op to be called “F*** you, OBL and die Mfer” but it was too long.
In agreement here. Our “Apache” helicopter ain't exactly a
koombaya piece of equipment! As my militant Scottish friend
says: “There's a reason the most devastating antipersonnel
mine ever made is not named after a French sword”.
“Im of German ancestry.”
So am I, but like you an AMERICAN first.
However, it is safe and acceptable, even here on FR to attack and disparage the entire German people for the actions of the criminal Nazis.
With the usual double standard in full force, try that with any of the protected racial or religious minorities, and there will be the usual firestorm of righteous outrage.
Geronimo was a reference to Skull and Bones. For old times’ sake.
I thought Macaca was more appropriate.
I don’t think that even Geronimo himself would care about the use of the name. There are different stories told as to how he came to be known by it. As I understand it, it had more to do with the Mexicans than the Apache. At birth he was named Goyathlay.
Hmmm..Another member of the over-sensitive, touchy-feely, girly-man, PC brigade...Begone!
Geronimo was a murderer, a kidnapper, a thief and plunderer. When he was finally captured, a kidnapped settler's boy was found with him.
The Apache had only been resident in the southwest for about 30 years prior to the Spaniards’ arrival; a large part of the apache population were actually captives taken on never-ending raids of other tribes. The Apache had a giant sense of entitlement when it came to the livestock, children, women, horses and crops of others. They maintained an aggressive and domineering relationship towards other southwest indians and towards the Spaniards and Mexicans, although for a time they did get along with the Pueblos.
The atrocities of Cochise are typical of Apache behavior towards others: “this Indian has burned alive thirteen white men that I know of, besides most cruelly torturing to death, by cutting small pieces out of them, five others; fifteen others I know by putting lariats around their necks, tied their hands behind them, and dragged them to death.” http://www.jcs-group.com/oldwest/wars/warfare1.html
on Geronimo, Bob Bell of TrueWest Magazine noted, “ He would go down into Mexico every summer and kill anyone he met. That was his idea of a vacation. ibid
In spite of his crimes, Geronimo was allowed to live, and not only that, he capitalized on his notoriety. Liberals and special-interest groups have glorified his life and hidden the gorier details and today, over 3 million acres have been dedicated to reservations for approximately 50,000 Apache (1990 numbers).
Hopefully, that same false glossification of the terrorist Geronimo won't happen in Osama’s case.
you forgot to add: He repented and died a Christian...
Who cares and who gives a fly rats ass.
Bravo Zulu to the non-existant Seal Team Six, and I fully understand that you were never there,
Experts? We have ‘experts’ for this? Who are these so called experts?
Experts? We have ‘experts’ for this? Who are these so called experts?
If you want to celebrate a woman and baby-killing Apache who with a small band of followers ran amok through Southern Arizona, go right ahead.
You nailed me. Idgit.